Antichrist is NOT a person!

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Bladerunner

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If you read the texts of scripture below, you will come to the correct conclusion that the 'antichrist' is not a person, but rather a "anti-Jesus" way of thinking or of religion...such as the gnostics referred to in Scripture...not by the Name of "gnostic" but by their beliefs. The Antichrist is a SPIRIT...and nowhere in scripture does is say that it will embody a human being.
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 John 2:18[/FONT]
[FONT="]Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that [B]antichrist is coming, even now [U]many [/U][B][U]antichrists have appeared;[/U] from this we know that it is the last hour. [COLOR=#800080][Jesus was speaking to a specific group of people about a specific time. He was telling them that there ALREADY SEVERAL antichrist (spirits) on hand and in effect.][/COLOR]

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[B][B][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#b34b2c]1 John 2:22[/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B]
[FONT="]Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ[there were MANY that denied that Jesus was the Christ AT THE TIME of His speaking this.]This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 John 4:3[/FONT]
[FONT="][B][B][B][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20John+1:7&version=NASB"]and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist,[/URL] of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world [ALREADY in the world...already, at the time of His speaking, in the world...2000 years ago!]
2 John 1:7

[FONT="][B][B][I][B]For many deceivers have gone out into the world, [U]those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ [/U][I][U]as coming in the flesh. [/U][COLOR=#800080]This [the spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus in the flesh][/COLOR]is the deceiver and the [B][U]antichrist[/U]. [COLOR=#800080] [All that would not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh were of the antichrist spirit...anti-Jesus. and there were Many people that were of that SPIRIT.][/COLOR][/B][/I][/B][/I][/B][/B][/FONT]

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[COLOR="#0000CD"]You do realize the Bible tells us, he will be an Assyrian![/COLOR]
 

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Is it possible that the Antichrist existed in John's day and will be present until Christ's returns? The Antichrist is anyone with all the spiritual characteristics explained in the word.
 

JaumeJ

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According to Paul, the spirit of the antichrist was already among the assemblies of his time.

The Beast epitomizes the spirit of the antichrist, and he will be a personification of the actual antichrist..he will be one person in his time to come...if it is not already here.
 

Ahwatukee

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Is it possible that the Antichrist existed in John's day and will be present until Christ's returns? The Antichrist is anyone with all the spiritual characteristics explained in the word.
Hello TMS,

The Antichrist is man, where the beast is the angel of the Abyss. The scripture says that he "once was, now is not and yet will come."

He once was = At a previous time he was not in the Abyss, but was in the world

Now is not
= He is currently not in the world but is in the Abyss

And yet will come = In the future he will again come out of the Abyss

Therefore, the Antichrist did not previously exist, but the spirit and when I say spirit I mean as a type, as in anyone who denies that Jesus is the Messiah is a type of Antichrist and not his actual spirit.

When the 5th trumpet is sounded and the Abyss is opened, that is when that angel, also called the beast, will come out of the Abyss and will control the Antichrist. Most likely when this fallen angel/beast was previously in the world he probably controlled some other political or military leader and at some point in history was put into the Abyss.
 

JaumeJ

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Many are surprised when they learn that Abraham was an Assyrian or Syrian as per the Old Testament. He and his family were of Padan Aram......Syria.

The Antichrist will most likely be of Israeli descent, thus Assyrian or Syrian....

Withis this information coupled with the fact that Ishmael is the son of Abraham, it makes the fuding between Moslems and Jews much more of a family affair than international, but it must be looke into with faith in the Word.

You do realize the Bible tells us, he will be an Assyrian!
 

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Many are surprised when they learn that Abraham was an Assyrian or Syrian as per the Old Testament. He and his family were of Padan Aram......Syria.

The Antichrist will most likely be of Israeli descent, thus Assyrian or Syrian....

Withis this information coupled with the fact that Ishmael is the son of Abraham, it makes the fuding between Moslems and Jews much more of a family affair than international, but it must be looke into with faith in the Word.

Thanks for sharing.. GOD is amazing and I love how we all come here and compare notes so enlightening.
 

JaumeJ

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Deu 26:5 And thou shalt speak and say before the LORD thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:

Just one reference to thee Children of Issrael being the offspring of a Syrian..also Assyrian.
 

loveme1

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Deu 26:5 And thou shalt speak and say before the LORD thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:

Just one reference to thee Children of Issrael being the offspring of a Syrian..also Assyrian.
My preconception of an Assyrian is quite fitting to this thought.
 
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Agreed. Certainly not a done deal that the microchip, that you buy and sell with, implanted in your hand, is THE mark of the beast. It very well could be something else. But that is a far cry from saying there will be no mark at all used for buying and selling.

Also, Scripture has multiple levels of application. Willie is right in saying the mark is Spiritual. But that does not negate that it will also be physical.
Yes, I have never said there won't also be a physical activator of transactions (we already use those in many applications today).... BUT, it will first require us to REPENT (change our minds) of trusting in Jesus, and, instead, give ourselves to the conscious act of accepting, in our hearts and souls, a belief with MUCH MORE meaning to it than just a mere convenient electronic device that triggers a light on a machine.
 

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Since I hold to the Bible teaching that Jesus is coming back for His bride the church in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 I notice most who don't believe in the anti Christ being an actual person don't hold to the rapture of the church either. And that's ok., we each have a right to our beliefs. Just an interesting observation.

We all have read how the devil is a counterfeiter. he copies and tries to counter what the truth is. This man called the Anti Christ is the devil's counterfeit Christ to present to the world as the Savior and answer to the problems in the world. Jesus came as a man (the God-man) satan will try to counterfeit Jesus as he has always tried to do. But this time in the last days he uses a man to be the anti Christ.

There is more to this counterfeit idea than I have time to post. How the enemy uses God's Word and deforms it to mean an anti Gospel. There are many evil spirits in the world that try to counterfeit the truth. For instance., the enemy has successfully messed up what God meant for man and woman. he has perpetrated the lie of men to be with men and woman with woman. Roles in life confused so men and woman can't work together to be as God originally purposed in creation.

Homosexuality and spirit-ism and the occult. Worship angels and or creation. All counterfeit to the truth of what God originally intended but that seem so right for those engaged in it. The lie (the counterfeit) successfully implanted in the minds and hearts of people.

For this and other reasons in the Bible I believe the anti Christ will be a person. A counterfeit that satan will present to the world as the savior.
 

JaumeJ

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I have seen this theme recently in another thread. It is not the theme of this thread though..

We all know and blieve what will happen when Jesus Christ appears on the clouds..... Many wish to argue when this will occur. I believe it will occur and that is all I need. I believe my Fadther is merciful so I believe the chrch will remain to help those who are seeking right up until Jesus appearss.........at the end of what is called this age.

Since I hold to the Bible teaching that Jesus is coming back for His bride the church in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 I notice most who don't believe in the anti Christ being an actual person don't hold to the rapture of the church either. And that's ok., we each have a right to our beliefs. Just an interesting observation.

We all have read how the devil is a counterfeiter. he copies and tries to counter what the truth is. This man called the Anti Christ is the devil's counterfeit Christ to present to the world as the Savior and answer to the problems in the world. Jesus came as a man (the God-man) satan will try to counterfeit Jesus as he has always tried to do. But this time in the last days he uses a man to be the anti Christ.

There is more to this counterfeit idea than I have time to post. How the enemy uses God's Word and deforms it to mean an anti Gospel. There are many evil spirits in the world that try to counterfeit the truth. For instance., the enemy has successfully messed up what God meant for man and woman. he has perpetrated the lie of men to be with men and woman with woman. Roles in life confused so men and woman can't work together to be as God originally purposed in creation.

Homosexuality and spirit-ism and the occult. Worship angels and or creation. All counterfeit to the truth of what God originally intended but that seem so right for those engaged in it. The lie (the counterfeit) successfully implanted in the minds and hearts of people.

For this and other reasons in the Bible I believe the anti Christ will be a person. A counterfeit that satan will present to the world as the savior.
 

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Is it possible that the Antichrist existed in John's day and will be present until Christ's returns? The Antichrist is anyone with all the spiritual characteristics explained in the word.
No, it is not possible. "The spirit of Antichrist" existed at that time and was primarily found in the enemies of Christ and of the Gospel (unbelieving Jews and Gnostics). It is essentially blasphemous (a) firstly in denying that God was manifest in the flesh ("Jesus Christ has come in the flesh") and (b) secondly in insisting that the miracles of Christ originated from Satan, not the Holy Spirit (the unpardonable sin).

As I have already mentioned, the Antichrist (the Beast) will be the Arch-Blasphemer of God, and also claim to be God and Christ verbally, and through his miracles. The Greek word antichristos means BOTH a counterfeit Christ (in place of Christ) and an enemy or opposer of Christ. You will note that in every reference to this ungodly Satan-possessed person, it is shown that he is blaspheming God and opposing Christ.

The Lord warned that there would be many false Christs -- false Messiahs -- and history confirms that. But this false Messiah will dazzle the world because God will send a strong delusion upon the unbelieving and ungodly world, and they will all believe the lie. He must be a Jew in order to convince the Orthodox Jews that he is their true Messiah, and also to gain free access to the temple at Jerusalem, where he will sit as God.
 
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Jackson123

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Look like antichrist is not one, they exist since apostle John era, till now, but in the future, before second coming, one of the antichrist Will rule the world and declare himself AS a God, I do not know why must assyrian, for sure he went out from us/ Christian but not one of us, more like Pope to me, pretend to be Christian but not. Is he ofspring of Abraham? May be, you never know. My son is autism, than we, I and my wife took DNA test, I am Indonesian and do not have jew blood, oN the DNA test, show that I have jew DNA.

You never know If the pope have jew DNA.
 

Bladerunner

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Is it possible that the Antichrist existed in John's day and will be present until Christ's returns? The Antichrist is anyone with all the spiritual characteristics explained in the word.
very possible.... Look at it this way. Satan does not know when the last person to get saved will be. Therefore, the Rapture will not happen until that time and the antichrist cannot be known until after that time. He has to have the antichrist (a human) available at all times. Even today, he has one ready and Yes the antichrist will have the roots of an Assyrian.
 

Bladerunner

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Many are surprised when they learn that Abraham was an Assyrian or Syrian as per the Old Testament. He and his family were of Padan Aram......Syria.

The Antichrist will most likely be of Israeli descent, thus Assyrian or Syrian....

Withis this information coupled with the fact that Ishmael is the son of Abraham, it makes the fuding between Moslems and Jews much more of a family affair than international, but it must be looke into with faith in the Word.


While it may be a family squabble, (LOL), I am pretty sure the prophecy was speaking of a Nimrod type person. How this is to come about, I have no idea and the Bible does not suggest any direction on this matter.
 
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Like many doctrines the singular and plural form as to the use of the word must be brought into the interpretation that we are studying..

The antichrist (singular) is the father of lies Satan he is the god of this world. He influences men to do the pleasure of his will making the will or faith of God without effect. Those men as mankind antichrists (plural ) were there . We can see Satan using Peter to influence Peters mind .Just as the anti Christ Satan influenced the mind of Adam and Eve.

Both the antichrist singular and the antichrists plural as those influenced are both used together

1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
 

Bladerunner

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Deu 26:5 And thou shalt speak and say before the LORD thy God, A Syrian ready to perish was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous:

Just one reference to thee Children of Issrael being the offspring of a Syrian..also Assyrian.
Try Micah 5
 

TMS

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Some say the Antichrist’s appearance is still in the future. Others say he appeared long ago in the days of ancient Rome.
When you read and understand the prophesies of Dan 2, 7, 8 you have to be honest and concluded that they are talking about Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, and divided Europe.
Read Daniel 8. Notice that the beasts in chapter 8 parallel those in chapter 7.Dan 8:20 specifically names Medo-Persia as the kingdom that precedes the rough goat, or Greece, of verse 21. It is the second world kingdom, the same power as the bear of Daniel 7.
Greece, the third kingdom (Daniel 8:21), is represented by a leopard with four wings and four heads (Daniel 7:6).
The Roman empire, the fourth world kingdom, is represented by a horrible monster with iron teeth and 10 horns
The 10 horns represent the 10 kings or kingdoms into which pagan Rome was eventually split (Daniel 7:24). (These 10 kingdoms are the same as the 10 toes of the image described in Daniel 2:41-44.) Roving barbarian tribes swept in upon the Roman empire and carved out land niches for their people.
"I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." Dan 7:8.
The "little horn" power appears next. We must identify it carefully because God takes more space describing it than the other four kingdoms combined. Why? Because the biblical characteristics identify it as the Antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.
God gives us nine characteristics of Antichrist in Daniel 7 so we can be certain of his identity. And even though some may find these truths from God's Word painful, we must be honest enough to accept them as His revealed will. Now let's discover what Jesus' nine points are:

A. The "little horn" or kingdom "came up among them" the 10 horns which were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Dan 7:8). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.

B. It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Dan 7:8).

C. It would pluck up or uproot three kingdoms (Dan 7:8).

D. It would be "diverse" or different from the other 10 kingdoms (Dan 7:24).

E. It would make war with and "wear out" or persecute the saints (Dan 7:21,25).

F. It would emerge from the pagan Roman empire, the fourth world kingdom (Dan 7:7,8).

G. God's people (the saints) would "be given into his hand" for "a time and times and the dividing of time" (Dan 7:25).

H. It would "speak great words against" or blaspheme God (Dan 7:25 ). In Rev 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks "great things and blasphemies."

I. It would "think to change times and laws." Dan 7:25.

Can you work out who this is?