Antichrist is NOT a person!

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MaggieMye

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If you read the texts of scripture below, you will come to the correct conclusion that the 'antichrist' is not a person, but rather a "anti-Jesus" way of thinking or of religion...such as the gnostics referred to in Scripture...not by the Name of "gnostic" but by their beliefs. The Antichrist is a SPIRIT...and nowhere in scripture does is say that it will embody a human being.
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 John 2:18[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. [Jesus was speaking to a specific group of people about a specific time. He was telling them that there ALREADY SEVERAL antichrist (spirits) on hand and in effect.]

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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 John 2:22[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ[there were MANY that denied that Jesus was the Christ AT THE TIME of His speaking this.]This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 John 4:3[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world [ALREADY in the world...already, at the time of His speaking, in the world...2000 years ago!]
2 John 1:7

[FONT=&quot]For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This [the spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus in the flesh]is the deceiver and the antichrist. [All that would not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh were of the antichrist spirit...anti-Jesus. and there were Many people that were of that SPIRIT.][/FONT]

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If you read the texts of scripture below, you will come to the correct conclusion that the 'antichrist' is not a person, but rather a "anti-Jesus" way of thinking or of religion...such as the gnostics referred to in Scripture...not by the Name of "gnostic" but by their beliefs. The Antichrist is a SPIRIT...and nowhere in scripture does is say that it will embody a human being.
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 John 2:18[/FONT]
[FONT="]Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that [B]antichrist is coming, even now [U]many [/U][B][U]antichrists have appeared;[/U] from this we know that it is the last hour. [COLOR=#800080][Jesus was speaking to a specific group of people about a specific time. He was telling them that there ALREADY SEVERAL antichrist (spirits) on hand and in effect.][/COLOR]

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[B][B][FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif][COLOR=#b34b2c]1 John 2:22[/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/B]
[FONT="]Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ[there were MANY that denied that Jesus was the Christ AT THE TIME of His speaking this.]This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

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[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1 John 4:3[/FONT]
[FONT="][B][B][B][URL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20John+1:7&version=NASB"]and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist,[/URL] of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world [ALREADY in the world...already, at the time of His speaking, in the world...2000 years ago!]
2 John 1:7

[FONT="]For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This [the spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus in the flesh]is the deceiver and the antichrist. [All that would not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh were of the antichrist spirit...anti-Jesus. and there were Many people that were of that SPIRIT.][/FONT]

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People who truly read the Bible already know this. The rest will refuse to give up hoping for a coming Boogie-man anyway.
 

Locutus

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Conflating the man of sin (Thessalonians) with John's anti-christ(s) is a major error. Makes for good myths though.

Arnold would make a great "anti-christ" and more believable.


 

PennEd

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[video=youtube;fYfCYMJ7ir0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=37&v=fYfCYMJ7ir0[/video] Simply incomprehensible to me that so many Christians refuse to take the Bible seriously. I'd really like to know, since you allegorize vast chunks of Scripture, if you will get this. I promise, you will soon be able to, if not already. Then, when it's forced on people, (like nuts similar to me believe) will you STILL allegorize? Or will it be too late?

Let the mocking, scorn, and derision from the learned scholars commence!
 
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Yeah......I just wonder why John was inspired to use masculine personal pronouns to describe the beast.......maybe John made a mistake or was not really inspired and had no clue what he was writing......
 

Locutus

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Maybe it's the dispensationalists that don't have a clue.
 
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Maybe it's the dispensationalists that don't have a clue.
Or those who dismiss plain, clear words while spiritualizing everything away into fantasy land....you do understand personal pronouns right....well.....maybe not based upon things I have seen you state.
 

Locutus

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Preterists don't spiritualize the symbols of John's revelation away they explain 'em.
 
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Preterists don't spiritualize the symbols of John's revelation away they explain 'em.
You should book 90 minutes at the local comedy club with that response....do tell.....explain the masculine personal pronouns applied....oh that's right....you think it was some Roman general or something in 70 A.D......
 

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the animation ((erm, claymation, actually?)) looks like Wallace & Gromit to me. i'd bet that if its not W & G specifically, it's Nick Park's work ((the artist behind those films))
Yeah I was thinking Wallace and Gromit off the cuff......
 
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I've often wondered why, since the Bible talks about both God and The Beast (or the A/C, or 666, or whoever you want it to be) putting their respective marks on both the hands and on the foreheads of their followers.... that only Satan's is a microchip. In every other way Satan seems to work through people's minds, emotions and thoughts, but all of a sudden his only influence has become through an electronic scanner?
 

Dino246

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If you read the texts of scripture below, you will come to the correct conclusion that the 'antichrist' is not a person, but rather a "anti-Jesus" way of thinking or of religion...such as the gnostics referred to in Scripture...not by the Name of "gnostic" but by their beliefs. The Antichrist is a SPIRIT...and nowhere in scripture does is say that it will embody a human being.

1 John 2:18

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
I suggest that your conclusion does not follow from the Scriptures you've quoted. I deleted the commentary for clarity.

Nothing in 1 John 2:18, 2:22, or 2 John 1:7 demands that the antichrist is a spirit. 1 John 4:3 says "spirit of antichrist" which states that there is such a thing as an 'antichrist spirit'. That does not demand that all entities called "antichrist" are spirits.

Consider the context of the verses:

1 John 2:19 says, "They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us." I submit that this is clearly talking about people, not spirits.

1 John 2:23 says, "Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also."
Again, this is talking about people, not spirits.

2 John 9 says, "Anyone who goes to far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God...". Once again, the context is people rather than spirits.

As to whether the antichrist is a spirit or a person really hasn't been established either way by your argument. :)
 

PennEd

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So you're not going to have ANY issue receiving a microchip in your hand to use as a debit card Willie?

How is it possible for Scripture to be THIS precise about the method of buying and selling, and yet you dismiss it?
 
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If you read the texts of scripture below, you will come to the correct conclusion that the 'antichrist' is not a person, but rather a "anti-Jesus" way of thinking or of religion...such as the gnostics referred to in Scripture...not by the Name of "gnostic" but by their beliefs. The Antichrist is a SPIRIT...and nowhere in scripture does is say that it will embody a human being.
1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. [Jesus was speaking to a specific group of people about a specific time. He was telling them that there ALREADY SEVERAL antichrist (spirits) on hand and in effect.]


1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ[there were MANY that denied that Jesus was the Christ AT THE TIME of His speaking this.]This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.


1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world [ALREADY in the world...already, at the time of His speaking, in the world...2000 years ago!]
2 John 1:7

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This [the spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus in the flesh]is the deceiver and the antichrist. [All that would not acknowledge Jesus as coming in the flesh were of the antichrist spirit...anti-Jesus. and there were Many people that were of that SPIRIT.]


He is a lying spirit that can influence a man or a woman.(mankiknd the beast created form the dust of the field) He is known by the work of usurping the teaching authority of God deceiving others to savor the things of men and not those of God . He began his work in the garden

Below he is shown influencing a man.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Mat 16:22