Jesus Failed according to Dispensationalism
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Romans 11-
And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[g]
As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
No,Jesus did NOT fail,not in any way.I don't understand why people can read this passage in the Bible and not comprehend it.The Jews are unbelievers because they are blinded for the sake of we Gentiles. When the number of Gentiles has come in THEN the Jews will be saved,the remnant that Romans talks about. Romans tells we Gentiles not to be proud and boastful because we are only grafted in and can be cut off again. The Jews are loved because of the patriarchs.When I see or hear disdain for the Jews it angers me,but much more importantly it angers God. Folks can believe what they wish,but its right there in the Word for all to read.Incredibly simple and straightforward. We have no right to boast,God's calling is irrevocable. He is not done with His people the Jews. Romans 11 says so.
It was planned like that. First coming was to deal with sins.
The second time Jesus comes, He gonna take it by force, all the nations shall mourn and Jesus will crush all human government. That is what the Messiah will do, Jesus will fulfill all them Scriptures, including the promises to Israel, He will deliver the Kingdom Peter asked for in Acts 1:6.
Matthew 11:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been suffering violence, and the violent have been seizing it by force.
Revelation 11:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying: The kingdom of the world has become the ⌊kingdom⌋ of our Lord and of His Messiah, and He will reign forever and ever!
The second time Jesus comes, He gonna take it by force, all the nations shall mourn and Jesus will crush all human government. That is what the Messiah will do, Jesus will fulfill all them Scriptures, including the promises to Israel, He will deliver the Kingdom Peter asked for in Acts 1:6.
Matthew 11:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been suffering violence, and the violent have been seizing it by force.
Revelation 11:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven saying: The kingdom of the world has become the ⌊kingdom⌋ of our Lord and of His Messiah, and He will reign forever and ever!
That's what bothers me about dispensationialism. The Christ came to establish His kingdom in the 1st century, but His ppl rejected Him. So, to do 'something', He then flipped the script and established the ekklesia. The Gentiles turn out to be nothing more that an paranthesis, an intercalation, a blip on God's radar. Horrible doctrine.
His Kingdom that He set up first is in the hearts of the people. The Kingdom of God. So how did He fail? The body of Christ are those who rule and reign with Him. Which is the true meaning of Israel anyway.
But, that does not discount His future reign over His own people.
I was raised on your beliefs...and there's a book called The Symbols Speak out of this denomination which they don't claim to be a denomination but still are off from other fellowships.
Once I began to study on my own, I could see how this is wrong. The body of Christ was not expected by the Jews...so they rejected Him. But, they do expect a ruler to rule over the nation.
Thing is...always that thing...will they receive the wrong one first?
But, that does not discount His future reign over His own people.
I was raised on your beliefs...and there's a book called The Symbols Speak out of this denomination which they don't claim to be a denomination but still are off from other fellowships.
Once I began to study on my own, I could see how this is wrong. The body of Christ was not expected by the Jews...so they rejected Him. But, they do expect a ruler to rule over the nation.
Thing is...always that thing...will they receive the wrong one first?
If you listen to some sermons on it by Dispensational teachers, they usually mention that this was already planned by God. They cite Romans 11:32 and the verses surrounding it, that through their rejection, salvation came to the gentiles and they were adopted in, as per Ephesians 2 (People who were far off, aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and so on, are now made nigh) and Romans 8.
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no they don't
you are just inserting this because it makes more sense, at least to you, then your op
since Jesus actually said His kingdom was not of this world, why wouldn't believers know that?
you are just dropping these little gems of wisdom all over now...first we learn you appear to be a preterist, then we learn you believe God has rejected Israel
is it the Corg posting or what? seems he has assimilated some wrong info and got you assimilated too
you are just inserting this because it makes more sense, at least to you, then your op
since Jesus actually said His kingdom was not of this world, why wouldn't believers know that?
you are just dropping these little gems of wisdom all over now...first we learn you appear to be a preterist, then we learn you believe God has rejected Israel
is it the Corg posting or what? seems he has assimilated some wrong info and got you assimilated too
No, not failed. All will be fulfilled, but not according to man's ways, thinking, plans.
God has promised and so He will fulfill all. Has He said and shall He not do it, has He spoken and shall He not make it good? The prophets speak of Israel as a nation being saved. It will come to pass; we can be assured of that.
Romans 11:33-36
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.
God has promised and so He will fulfill all. Has He said and shall He not do it, has He spoken and shall He not make it good? The prophets speak of Israel as a nation being saved. It will come to pass; we can be assured of that.
Romans 11:33-36
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor? Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again? For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.