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I just did a forum search on Joseph Prince. He certainly does preach the Word of Faith heresy.

Point well taken. I would certainly advise people who are seeking sound Biblical teaching to avoid him.
amen bro, it seems harsh to point out a false teacher, to those who believe in the false teacher. really though myself and im certain anyone else who sees the truth of it, is warning and trying to expose the fallacy because it is ultra important to keep truth in doctrine and not stray into what the itching ears teach.

when i recognize this guys doctrine, i actually took the time to watch mutliple sermons and read multiple books and devotionals he writes, and all of it is the same.


God bless
 
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A couple of questions for DesertRose and FollowJesus...First, do you believe that every well known evangelist has false doctrine just because they are well known? The point I brought up is that NO MATTER WHO is mentioned here someone will disagree with them and attack them. Again, I have not read prince except for what I see here but it doesn't matter who it is someone here will call any well known pastor/evangelist a heretic.

Second question, do you believe God wants His children to be sick. poor and miserable while we are here on earth? I know the Word says to suffer with Christ but it also says by His stripes we are healed and that we have not because we ask not. It seems to me that we are often like the prodigal son's older brother. We see others being blessed and we get upset because we do not think they deserve those blessings or we feel like we should get them instead. If we would "work out our OWN salvation with fear and trembling" and stop comparing ourselves to others we would be much better off.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is a radical concept that goes against everything we are taught in this world. As such it is to be expected that there will be those who do not accept it and feel the need to say "I follow all these rules and I haven't been blessed so why do those who rely only on Jesus get all the blessings?" The answer is that until we are able to break free of toxic faith (following a set of man made or church made rules to achieve self worth) and start practicing authentic faith (getting our self worth from who God says we are) we will not be able to operate from a place of love and security and we will instead be stuck operating from a place of selfishness and envy and there is only misery and despair and bondage there.

Paul knew that this would be the case and in fact he warned the galatians about that very thing. They were arguing that a man must be circumcised to be saved (toxic faith following law) and here is what paul told them...

Galatians 5:1-3 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

We either follow the law or we acknowledge that Jesus and Jesus alone saves us. We can not do both...

Romans 10:2-4 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Whoops didn't mean to go so long here...shalom.

I cant speak for sister desert rose, but myself i Believe false teachers are the ones teaching opposite the Bible Like this guy, its not a mystery, Gods word v mans. choose
 
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I just did a forum search on Joseph Prince. He certainly does preach the Word of Faith heresy.

Point well taken. I would certainly advise people who are seeking sound Biblical teaching to avoid him.

I've been reading or going over actually, a few of them again myself

some of the statements are outrageous and I don't mean just those made by Prince himself

it's error and what else I noticed is that as bad as some of Princes error can be (and he does actually say some things quite well, but not everyone can tell the diff), some believers plug in and take it further

not good
 
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I just did a forum search on Joseph Prince. He certainly does preach the Word of Faith heresy.

Point well taken. I would certainly advise people who are seeking sound Biblical teaching to avoid him.
I for one am glad you found the truth for yourself. Prince believes several false doctrines, WOF being only one of them.
I only wished the others that like him could see what you see.
 
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What saddens me is some of the insights in language are right. By putting them in the wrong
context, rejecting it all is equally bad. So I believe in healing, but not everything, we are righteous
but always have the potential to sin, live under grace, but need to repent and confess sin when
failed, see the good in others and learn to love ourselves as Christ does, and love others likewise.
So many write themselves off when God does not, and finds them beautiful children of the
most high.
We do not need to be perfect, we need to be pure and see what matters. What matters on this
site is do you love Jesus, and if so, how do you show it? This is not to prove something, but
because this is spiritual life. You grow as you share, the Lord blesses as you step out in faith,
answers come because you have a real need. There is no trials, it is all for real.
 
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I've been reading or going over actually, a few of them again myself

some of the statements are outrageous and I don't mean just those made by Prince himself

it's error and what else I noticed is that as bad as some of Princes error can be (and he does actually say some things quite well, but not everyone can tell the diff), some believers plug in and take it further

not good
amen and it wasnt jp who began this Hes Just a spreader of it and as you say there He has aded His own gospel to even what was an issue in the early church with People exalting Grace, above the Lords Word, refusing repentance, righteousness and truth.

even in pauls day

jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

to deny God and Jesus is to deny thier word to disbelieve the Word as did eve and adam. it has and will always be death to Hear Gods Word, deny it and choose the other guys word because it sounds better to us. or allows us to engage in something we want yet we Know is sin. Like the garden

God said " you must not eat opf this tree or you will surely die" thats Gods Word it is true and infallible. satan Knows Gods Word will be as He spoke it so then, " If I can get them to eat the fruit they will surely die" is His view. How does He do it? By delivering the very first false doctrine that says " Gods Word is not true, listen to me instead" ........its the Model of every false doctrine and teacher. God said.......but listen to me instead" of course eating the pleasing to the eye fruit was easier for them to Hear, but it still brought Death Just as God said it would. False doctrine is the Only real danger to Gods Children if we Just stick with His word above all the chatter we can never fall or be Lost
 
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What saddens me is some of the insights in language are right. By putting them in the wrong
context, rejecting it all is equally bad. So I believe in healing, but not everything, we are righteous
but always have the potential to sin, live under grace, but need to repent and confess sin when
failed, see the good in others and learn to love ourselves as Christ does, and love others likewise.
So many write themselves off when God does not, and finds them beautiful children of the
most high.
We do not need to be perfect, we need to be pure and see what matters. What matters on this
site is do you love Jesus, and if so, how do you show it? This is not to prove something, but
because this is spiritual life. You grow as you share, the Lord blesses as you step out in faith,
answers come because you have a real need. There is no trials, it is all for real.

this is the sad part of it

I remember as a child, watching an Oral Roberts show on tv and my parents were arguing. he was saying that if you sow your 'seed faith money' God would answer your prayers

I was just a kid, but I was saved at 5 and I thought...I'm going to do that. I am going to send money and my prayer is that we would have peace at Christmas and all get along (it was December). I stuck some paper money in an envelope and mailed it to the address on tv along with my 'request'

I had the total faith of an innocent child. I was badly let down.

today of course I know better. but we know what Jesus said about those who hurt children and weaken their faith

guess we could apply that across the board to those who are young in the faith

this is a serious as it can possibly get and that is the way I take it
 
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amen and it wasnt jp who began this Hes Just a spreader of it and as you say there He has aded His own gospel to even what was an issue in the early church with People exalting Grace, above the Lords Word, refusing repentance, righteousness and truth.
I'm not sure. I read where he said that God one day told him he was preaching law and grace together
 
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I'm not sure. I read where he said that God one day told him he was preaching law and grace together
yes thats what He says, so then He invented the gog label, which means anything that you are told to actually do By Gods Word, anything that requires of you, any condition that God places on You, whether Jesus or anyone else spoke it forth, that then becomes the Mosaic Law and its not meant for you.

His flaw is that He doesnt distinguish between Moses and Jesus, He doesnt Get that Jesus mediated the new covenant, that the 4 gospels are the mediation between God and Man. for instance he teaches this is not correct its old testament Law

Matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Just this simple example, He teaches that this is Mosaic Law and Not the Gospel. yet, in the Mosaic Law there is no such principle to be found, in fact forgiveness was based entirely on sacrificial Laws and had nothing to do with whether i forgive or not. His idea of not preaching Law and Grace, is to say anything that is a clear instruction for you to actually do, thats the Law, the new covenant is actually " the covenant of grace" which means you do nothing, if you think God really expects you to obey....you are trapped in an " Old covenant mindset"

ive done aloit of research on this guy, and Have no doubt that His message is contrary to the Word of God at nearly every turn. try reaing some of His devotionals or maybe one of His books, or even better watch a few of His sermons such as " guilt free Living" or His explaination of How to really understand James 1:22. or His reasoning for claiming the sermon on the mount was the Loaw of moses......i think you would be pretty suprised at How blatant it really is.
 
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say what?

gog?

yes thats what He says, so then He invented the gog label, which means anything that you are told to actually do By Gods Word, anything that requires of you, any condition that God places on You, whether Jesus or anyone else spoke it forth, that then becomes the Mosaic Law and its not meant for you.
I have seen some of that around

here in fact

misses the point of the entire Bible IMO
 
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say what?

gog?



I have seen some of that around

here in fact

misses the point of the entire Bible IMO
" gospel of grace" its His label for his special gospel. yes its Here because of teachers like Him and paul ellis and alot of others. its Kind of the very point of false teachers How thier doctrine spreads like a cancer like paul warns in 2 timothy. false teachers Dont come out and say things that sound wrong obviously what they do, the clever ones is choose carefully thier songular verses and remove them from context to support thier label and teaching. often they seem like they have a good new teaching, it always sounds really appealing and people friendly, yet the issue is what defines false doctrine, it disagrees with Gods Word.

in your comment above a few places you said " it seems really important and dire to you" and it really truly is of such importance to keep the word correct to what was given. we have the examples all through the Bible of what Happens when "prophets" start teaching contrary to what God has said. even from the garden we see its destruction.

another aspect that makes His doctrine so bad is that it actually turne the Min against obedience as if it is somehow an offense to the cross to believe Jesus said so many times " you must do these things im teaching you" Keep my words" obey my commands" why do you call me lord and do not do what i say?" it is not those who call me lord who will see the Koingdom but those who do the will of My Father in Heaven" His doctrine actually makes the Mind view the true Gospel as a bad oppressive and ignorant thing to believe.......because well its Just not grace if you believe what Jesus actually taught regarding repentance and obedience. sad is the word i would use, sad to see so many being beguiled still today when God sent Jesus with the Truth.
 
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" gospel of grace" its His label for his special gospel. yes its Here because of teachers like Him and paul ellis and alot of others. its Kind of the very point of false teachers How thier doctrine spreads like a cancer like paul warns in 2 timothy. false teachers Dont come out and say things that sound wrong obviously what they do, the clever ones is choose carefully thier songular verses and remove them from context to support thier label and teaching. often they seem like they have a good new teaching, it always sounds really appealing and people friendly, yet the issue is what defines false doctrine, it disagrees with Gods Word.

in your comment above a few places you said " it seems really important and dire to you" and it really truly is of such importance to keep the word correct to what was given. we have the examples all through the Bible of what Happens when "prophets" start teaching contrary to what God has said. even from the garden we see its destruction.

another aspect that makes His doctrine so bad is that it actually turne the Min against obedience as if it is somehow an offense to the cross to believe Jesus said so many times " you must do these things im teaching you" Keep my words" obey my commands" why do you call me lord and do not do what i say?" it is not those who call me lord who will see the Koingdom but those who do the will of My Father in Heaven" His doctrine actually makes the Mind view the true Gospel as a bad oppressive and ignorant thing to believe.......because well its Just not grace if you believe what Jesus actually taught regarding repentance and obedience. sad is the word i would use, sad to see so many being beguiled still today when God sent Jesus with the Truth.
don't recall 'dire'

I said this:

this is a serious as it can possibly get and that is the way I take it
thinking of those young in the faith or who think the so called revelations being churned out these days are actually from God

thanks re the gog

I think the point has been made. the best is to read the Bible for yourself and study the same

it reads different then many today would seem to like us to believe
 
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don't recall 'dire'

I said this:



thinking of those young in the faith or who think the so called revelations being churned out these days are actually from God

thanks re the gog

I think the point has been made. the best is to read the Bible for yourself and study the same

it reads different then many today would seem to like us to believe
lol yeah it was a paraphrase :) important maybe would be a better word.


yes i echoe that, only its not just about us reading the Bible for Ourselves, those of us who are capable should spend daily time in His word for sure, also though, there are many good teachers out there, those who refuse to compromise the truth, for popularity. so that those who dont have the ability to read or maybe can read but arent real great at comprehending the Word, God has also provided for.

remember were called to come together and share word, encouragement, psalms Hymns and spiritual songs for edification. and He teaches us each as we go along, His word is what is really important. the good teachers out there will always be sharing the Gospel that agrees with the Lords Word, others will share what agrees with thier thoughts and judgements. Gods Judgements is what we all need to accept and those came through Jesus. God bless thanks for the conversation.
 

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My wifi has been fixed and just came back to this thread. Wow., it's just like politics. There is no way to address each and every disagreement it would take more time than I have or would care to take. Some people see what they want to see and there is no way to show anything different.

I am not a dispensationalist but I do hold to some dispensational truths and see them clearly in the Bible. I speak in tongues but I don't bark like a dog or writhe on the floor. I believe in healing but I don't point my finger at someone and say "be healed" I believe that the Lord blesses His people and goes over and above what we can ask or think but I don't pray for a Mercedes in my drive way. Is word of faith heresy? I don't believe so at all because I also hold to some of the word of faith teachings such as healing., blessings., promises, tongues and for sure I believe in the 5 fold ministry.

But none of what I really believe matters anymore to some when the wrong conclusions have already been drawn like a line in the sand. It's just like politics. People draw their lines and refuse to see people any other way.

I will continue to strive not to do this to anyone I meet in my regular daily life as well as those here on CC., and I'll not support anyone I meet in daily life who tries to do this to others as well as here on CC. It's too easy to wrongly stereotype someone that could harm their reputation., and here on CC and get them banned. And I won't do that to anyone.

I used to always listen to the news and have seen this done to conservatives. The word racist is used and once the label is out there., it takes forever to clean someones name and even then it's never the same. Our President is still hated for being a racist and he isn't a racist. But people hate him for it none the less and identify him as a racist as well as anyone who voted for Donald Trump.

Despite all evidences to the contrary., some will never take the time to listen to what is really being said and that is to their shame.
 
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