A little sprinkle of water and ta da! You're baptized!

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Innerfire89

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Both immersion and sprinkling are valid modes of baptisms, because its not about the mode but the symbolism. Baptism symbolizes purification of sin by Christ.
There was baptism in the old testament, a foreshadowing of things to come. Numbers 19: 17-18 For the unclean person, put some ashes from the burned purification offering into a jar and pour fresh water over them. And we see how we are to be sprinkled with Christ blood to be cleansed. Hebrews 9:13-14 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceromonaly unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. how much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

Now what about how the Bible says Jesus went into the water? The word used in Greek is eis, eis can mean into, out of, to, toward, unto or away from.
We know Jesus went to water, but we can't say for fact that He went under water.

Well baptism means to submerge under water.
Baptizo can also mean dipping and washing, in Mark 7:4 we see the word baptizo in the context of washing hands.

Last point I'd like to touch on is the properties of water, water cleans on the outside like Jesus cleans us on the inside.

Stay strong in Christ and be blessed.
 

TMS

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We can follow the word of God or justify our presumptions and make our own rules. I'd rather follow the word of God and do what He says. Yes it is symbolic but that does not justify changing what the Bible plainly teaches.
 

Innerfire89

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We can follow the word of God or justify our presumptions and make our own rules. I'd rather follow the word of God and do what He says. Yes it is symbolic but that does not justify changing what the Bible plainly teaches.
I didn't change anything, I studied.
 

Innerfire89

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We can follow the word of God or justify our presumptions and make our own rules. I'd rather follow the word of God and do what He says. Yes it is symbolic but that does not justify changing what the Bible plainly teaches.
I didn't presume anything, I studied. Now I could say you just give Scripture a quick glance and you just assume there's no more to learn. That would be kinda rude of me though.

So when you're ready, please explain what Scripture plainly teaches and how you think I'm wrong.
 

wattie

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Where in the bible is sprinkling used and not immersion? I know of no occasion
 
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If only John MacArthur would refute this in a new book titled "Strange Water.*" :D

(*inspired by Todd Friel during a panel discussion with JM, R C Sproul and others since JM had already authored "Strange Fire")
 

hornetguy

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I didn't change anything, I studied.
Study harder.

A more correct translation of, say, Acts 2:38 would be "repent and be immersed..."

The Greek word means to immerse, or dip. No sprinkling.

from the blue letter Bible....

Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

  1. to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
  2. to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

  3. to overwhelm"Note on Baptism in Ac. Baptism in water (such as John's) is distinguished from baptism with the Holy Spirit (i. 5, etc.). Those who receive the latter, however, may also be baptized in water (cf. xi. 16 with x. 47); and there is one example of people who had previously received John's baptism receiving Christian baptism as a preliminary to receiving the Spirit (xix. 3 ff.). John's was a baptism of repentance (xiii. 24; xix. 4), as was also Christian baptism (ii. 38), but as John's pointed forward to Jesus (xix. 4), it became obsolete when He came. Christian baptism followed faith in the Lord Jesus (xvi. 31 ff.); it was associated with His name (ii. 38; viii. 16, etc.), which was invoked by the person baptized (xxii. 16); it signified the remission (ii. 38) or washing away of sins (xxii. 16); sometimes it preceded (ii. 38; viii. 15 ff.; xix. 5), sometimes followed (x. 47 f.) the receiving of the Spirit." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 98, n. 1.)This word should not be confused with baptô (911). The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (baptô) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizô) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.


Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
βαπτίζω baptízō, bap-tid'-zo; from a derivative of G911; to immerse, submerge; to make whelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism:—Baptist, baptize, wash.
 

Innerfire89

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Where in the bible is sprinkling used and not immersion? I know of no occasion
Where in the Bible can we find the opposite? One of the points I made in the thread is that baptism can be defined as washing, not just immersion.
 
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Where in the Bible can we find the opposite? One of the points I made in the thread is that baptism can be defined as washing, not just immersion.
Hey, since you're a presby, when you eat donuts, do you dunk 'em in milk or coffee, or do you sprinkle them with milk or coffee? LOL! ;) :p :D
 
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I don't think jokes are your strong suit.
This is horrible:eek:
Hey, since you're a presby, when you eat donuts, do you dunk 'em in milk or coffee, or do you sprinkle them with milk or coffee? LOL! ;) :p :D
 
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Thanks for the message brother, speaking on the blood of Christ the deciples didn't need to jump in a pool of blood, a cup was enough at the last supper.
 
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Innerfire89

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Study harder.

A more correct translation of, say, Acts 2:38 would be "repent and be immersed..."

The Greek word means to immerse, or dip. No sprinkling.

from the blue letter Bible....
But what fits with Scripture, we see baptizo can mean to wash, we see washing cleans, and we see that cleaning is what baptism symbolizes. We see the old covenant jews used sprinkling to ceremonially wash, that was a foreshadowing of how Christ washes us with his blood.

200 hundred years before Christ is an affully long time, the way words are used do change over time.
 
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notuptome

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So are you sprinkled with the Holy Spirit or immersed in the Holy Spirit? Water baptism is symbolic of Holy Spirit baptism so I see no reason for them not to be similar in application.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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A drop is a blessing as well as a river, they both come from the same source.
 
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But what fits with Scripture, we see baptizo can mean to wash, we Jew washing cleans, and we see that cleaning is what baptism symbolizes. We see the old covenant jews used sprinkling to ceremonially wash, that was a foreshadowing of how Christ washes us with his blood.

200 hundred years before Christ is an affully long time, the way words are used do change over time.
Did they sprinkle their hands, or use water pots and immerse their hands? You're conflating many things to attempt to turn immersion into a trickling of water or a sprinkle. But I digress, our son has been indoctrinated to believe this as well, which he stated he cannot prove from Scripture.

The translators, imho, should have used immersion instead of a transliteration, and servant instead of the transliteration deacon. Not too many would aspire to the office of servant, too often deacon has come to mean a church boss, not a church servant lol! Things like this happen...
 
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People swim in water everyday, it's not the act of emersion it's the words and heart that complete the baptism. without love it's just cleshay, does anyone know what John the Baptist said to Jesus during the baptism. Has anyone witness a baptism and nothing was mentioned.
 

OneFaith

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Both immersion and sprinkling are valid modes of baptisms, because its not about the mode but the symbolism. Baptism symbolizes purification of sin by Christ.
There was baptism in the old testament, a foreshadowing of things to come. Numbers 19: 17-18 For the unclean person, put some ashes from the burned purification offering into a jar and pour fresh water over them. And we see how we are to be sprinkled with Christ blood to be cleansed. Hebrews 9:13-14 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceromonaly unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. how much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

Now what about how the Bible says Jesus went into the water? The word used in Greek is eis, eis can mean into, out of, to, toward, unto or away from.
We know Jesus went to water, but we can't say for fact that He went under water.

Well baptism means to submerge under water.
Baptizo can also mean dipping and washing, in Mark 7:4 we see the word baptizo in the context of washing hands.

Last point I'd like to touch on is the properties of water, water cleans on the outside like Jesus cleans us on the inside.

Stay strong in Christ and be blessed.
There is a different word used for baptism- bapteso (immerse) not ramteso (sprinkle). Baptism is a death. Who buries a dead body by sprinkling a little dirt on it? No, if you bury you put them all the way under. When we get baptized we die to ourself, bury our old sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and are raised to newness of life. This is obeying the gospel- which is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The Bible says that if we join Him like this in His death, we will also join Him in His resurrection. (Romans 6:3).

"With flames of fire, He will take vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of His Son."