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Locutus

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Paul in his letter to the Corinthians is quoting Isaiah 49:8 and applying it to his ministry:

2 Cor 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Isa 49:8 (NASB) Thus says the LORD, “In a favorable time I have answered You, And in a day of salvation I have helped you; And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, to restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages;

In acts he also states his ministry and the apostles is in fulfillment of Isa 49:6:

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

It should be noted that Isaiah's "In an acceptable time" and "in a day of salvation" is the time "to restore the land".

So if these things were happening in the days of the apostles and Paul's ministry which "land" is being restored?

It can't be argued that is physical dirt land but the spiritual land/country of Hebrews:

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that
they seek a country.

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

While most translations translate the Greek "patris" as country - it is better understood as land or father land:

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Strongs

G3968 patris pat-rece'

from G3902;

a father-land, i.e. native town; (figuratively) heavenly home.


KJV: (own) country.

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When we parallel this with Christ's statement regarding John the Baptist is surely all fits:

Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come,
and restore all things.

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

The restoration of all things included the "land" and continued under Paul's and the apostles ministty


 

Locutus

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This thread died pretty quick - thought I'd give it another go.

I won't bite, bark maybe....:cool:
 

Angela53510

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I’ll bite! What was the question?

(You do know that a thread only moves with controversy or some kind of thought provoking (or comment worthy of retaliating) or a question, right?)
 

Locutus

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I’ll bite! What was the question?

(You do know that a thread only moves with controversy or some kind of thought provoking (or comment worthy of retaliating) or a question, right?)
:cool:

The question:

"So if these things were happening in the days of the apostles and Paul's ministry which "land" is being restored?"

I guess I should have added was the land being restored by works rather than faith.

 

stonesoffire

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Paul in his letter to the Corinthians is quoting Isaiah 49:8 and applying it to his ministry:

2 Cor 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

Isa 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;

Isa 49:8 (NASB) Thus says the LORD, “In a favorable time I have answered You, And in a day of salvation I have helped you; And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, to restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages;

In acts he also states his ministry and the apostles is in fulfillment of Isa 49:6:

Acts 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

It should be noted that Isaiah's "In an acceptable time" and "in a day of salvation" is the time "to restore the land".

So if these things were happening in the days of the apostles and Paul's ministry which "land" is being restored?

It can't be argued that is physical dirt land but the spiritual land/country of Hebrews:

Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that
they seek a country.

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

While most translations translate the Greek "patris" as country - it is better understood as land or father land:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Strongs

G3968 patris pat-rece'

from G3902;

a father-land, i.e. native town; (figuratively) heavenly home.


KJV: (own) country.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

When we parallel this with Christ's statement regarding John the Baptist is surely all fits:

Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come,
and restore all things.

Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

The restoration of all things included the "land" and continued under Paul's and the apostles ministty


I don't know what Elijah or am assuming this means John the Baptist, did that restored all things? And I don't understand if you think the land is physical Israel, or heaven, or the body of Jesus as I've heard long time ago.

Theres a lot there to learn. At least for me. :)
 

Locutus

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I don't know what Elijah or am assuming this means John the Baptist, did that restored all things? And I don't understand if you think the land is physical Israel, or heaven, or the body of Jesus as I've heard long time ago.

Theres a lot there to learn. At least for me. :)
Yes, Elijah/John the Baptist Stones.

What I'm saying is Paul is stating that Isaiah 49 was being fulfilled in his ministry in fact justifying it by quoting Isaiah.

So if he's using those prophecies as being applicable to his ministry then it must follow that "to restore the land" was also under way during his time.

If it was under way according to Paul using Isaiah then it CAN'T be the physical land that was being prophesied to be restored.
 

stonesoffire

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Yes, Elijah/John the Baptist Stones.

What I'm saying is Paul is stating that Isaiah 49 was being fulfilled in his ministry in fact justifying it by quoting Isaiah.

So if he's using those prophecies as being applicable to his ministry then it must follow that "to restore the land" was also under way during his time.

If it was under way according to Paul using Isaiah then it CAN'T be the physical land that was being prophesied to be restored.
Interesting. So heaven for mankind was destroyed in some way and is now restored? Or possible being restored was what Jesus meant when He said He would be building mansions for all?

Or did I stray away from your points? I can do that you know. :) very well too I'm told!

I see your question now. By works or faith.

Entrance into heaven as i as I see it is always by faith in His work. His blood sacrifice.
 
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Locutus

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Interesting. So heaven for mankind was destroyed in some way and is now restored? Or possible being restored was what Jesus meant when He said He would be building mansions for all?

Or did I stray away from your points? I can do that you know. :) very well too I'm told!

I see your question now. By works or faith.


Entrance into heaven as i as I see it is always by faith in His work. His blood sacrifice.
The thread is not about "works or faith" Stones - I just added that (tongue in cheek) because Angela said the topic won't get much interest if it's not an argument producing thread.

I don't think that "heaven" was destroyed but "marred" due to Adam's sin, but the point is that the "land" was only part of the restoration included in the "all things" that Elijah heralded. It was also mans restored relationship with God, drinking of the water of life (Revelation) etc.

These are all "spiritual" restorations that have nothing to do with the physical land in Israel.

Physical Israel and the physical land were all anti-types of the true heavenly.

1 Cor 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.

First physical land ----> spiritual land
First physical Israel -----> spiritual Israel
 

Locutus

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I Or possible being restored was what Jesus meant when He said He would be building mansions for all?
I believe that was part of the "restoration of all things".
 

iamsoandso

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Matthew 17:11-12 ,,,what do you see him as saying?
 

Locutus

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Matthew 17:11-12 ,,,what do you see him as saying?
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already - Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

J the B was the Elijah foretold.
 

iamsoandso

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But I say unto you, That Elias is come already - Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

J the B was the Elijah foretold.
lol, what else though,what else did he say about JTB and himself?
 

Locutus

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I dunno about that. What about Isaiah and post #1...:cool:
 

iamsoandso

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I dunno about that. What about Isaiah and post #1...:cool:
lol, Well I dunno, I guess if you were asking me all this first I would Finnish what he said about JTB and himself in Matt.17:11-12 and say that he in fact did come but they cut his head off instead and Jesus was telling then that they were also going to kill him. This I think would make sense according to Acts 3:21.

Now from Isaiah 49,,,well it's well known today that the gospel was preached only to the Jews up till Acts 8,9,10,11 (time frame) and that it was not understood until that time frame, lol, but that's just me. Just being fair minded though that's why I ask you what you thought Matthew 17;11-12 was saying...
 
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The chapter is talking about the first and second advent .

From the first verse, it explains it .
Isaiah chapter 49 is about The Prince of God ; Christ . Israel meaning the prince that prevails with God.
Christ is the savior of Jacob ( Israel )

Isaiah 49:7 Thus saith the LORD, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.


They ( man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, ) The first time He was here .
The rest of the verse is when Christ returns as KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

the rest of the verse (( to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the LORD that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. ))

Gods Kingdom will be on earth ( Revelation 11:15 ) ,
that is the time every knee will bow and every tongue shall confess and shall worship Him .
At least the first day.

Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear


Isaiah 49:8 Thus saith the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people,
to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;


God's Truth preserves ; and preserves the believer.
Preserves from Satans deceptions which reach up to the acceptable time:
when Salvation has run its course and the Lords day is finally here .
 
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Locutus

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The chapter is talking about the first and second advent .
You didn't address Paul's use of Isaiah in his ministry and what impact it has on how to understand Isaiah's prophecy.
 
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OtherWay210

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To: Locutus Paul equated prophecy, I dont believe Paul was referencing himself. God used Paul to further the ministry of Christ.
Pauls teaching concerning himself, you can read in 1 Corinthians 1 .
 
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Consider reading John 3:16 and other places like John 10:16-18.

And we know Christ is the light from John 1 .