Anyone from the remnant spoken of from the book Revelation here?

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How has God confirmed to you that you are from the 144,000?Do you care to share any of your experiences.Life experiences or your relationship with God.Have you told anyone close to you what God has revealed.
This is honestly my favorite subject on the Bible.I never real say much to anyone about all the stuff I've experienced with God,because people tend to get angered when I mention stuff that seem supernatural.If anyone would share what they have been told,I'll open up.To be honest,I don't even know where I'd start.
 

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How has God confirmed to you that you are from the 144,000?Do you care to share any of your experiences.Life experiences or your relationship with God.Have you told anyone close to you what God has revealed.
This is honestly my favorite subject on the Bible.I never real say much to anyone about all the stuff I've experienced with God,because people tend to get angered when I mention stuff that seem supernatural.If anyone would share what they have been told,I'll open up.To be honest,I don't even know where I'd start.

Yeah, so what. I am a Jew, the Nation and you might call me the rimnet, seeing how not all of my nation has come to believe. But I doubt I'm part of the 144000 especially since anti-missionaries say there is 300,000 of us. I personally think there is less. So what is your point? Yes, there will be 144000 Jews that are special unless G-d got it wrong!
 

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The more I think about it the 144000 probably come the first century , who followed Messiah. But 1,000,000 Jews died died at the head of Nerio. So who knows who it is referring to. Maybe you can enlighten me you come off as an authority.
 
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How has God confirmed to you that you are from the 144,000?Do you care to share any of your experiences.Life experiences or your relationship with God.Have you told anyone close to you what God has revealed.
This is honestly my favorite subject on the Bible.I never real say much to anyone about all the stuff I've experienced with God,because people tend to get angered when I mention stuff that seem supernatural.If anyone would share what they have been told,I'll open up.To be honest,I don't even know where I'd start.
Its a fine line that you are willing to tread there.

Remember what Paul said?

2 Corinthians 12:1-7

12 It is doubtless[a] not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. 6 For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.


Paul was the one who went to the Third Heaven. He was talking about himself. Yet he decided to speak about it from a third person perspective, so as not to exalt himself ;)

Though, if anyone is interested in the Whole Account of Pauls vision, you can read it HERE
 
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Jesus told me I'm from the tribe of Levi.I'm Native American.Not that it matters.He said he's going to use my anger to his advantage.He also told me the answer to life is love.when I asked him what the answer to life was he said I wouldn't like it.He held up four fingers and says "four letters"I felt like I already knew what he was going to say and I asked him for a hint,so he said "first letter is a L" being stubborn I asked for another hint and he said "second letter O" After that I was all like "no, nooo Jesus it can't be love?!"
Jesus said "I told you,you wouldn't like it"
I didn't like it lol.
God created out of Love,therefore it is the answer to life.How crazy is that? the answer to life right in front of us all this time.It's got to be a spiritual love because God is spirit.That's the kind of love I want to feel to those I love.The love Stephen had when he asked God to forgive those who stone him.
 
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The more I think about it the 144000 probably come the first century , who followed Messiah. But 1,000,000 Jews died died at the head of Nerio. So who knows who it is referring to. Maybe you can enlighten me you come off as an authority.
this is what i think too its first fruits not last fruits u see..
btw what do u mean when u say anti-missionaries say there is only 300 000 of u? isnt there millions?
 
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Jesus told me I'm from the tribe of Levi.I'm Native American.Not that it matters.He said he's going to use my anger to his advantage.He also told me the answer to life is love.when I asked him what the answer to life was he said I wouldn't like it.He held up four fingers and says "four letters"I felt like I already knew what he was going to say and I asked him for a hint,so he said "first letter is a L" being stubborn I asked for another hint and he said "second letter O" After that I was all like "no, nooo Jesus it can't be love?!"
Jesus said "I told you,you wouldn't like it"
I didn't like it lol.
God created out of Love,therefore it is the answer to life.How crazy is that? the answer to life right in front of us all this time.It's got to be a spiritual love because God is spirit.That's the kind of love I want to feel to those I love.The love Stephen had when he asked God to forgive those who stone him.
everyone is from one of the tribes these days it seems..... all the white people in america doing dna tests to find ashkenazi ancestry u see....
let me tell u how we operate in the ghetto u see, if u are born from native american parents, u are native american.
thats that.
u are making alot of claims and while i want to believe u, i have no reason to, i dont know u and there are a lot of people with all sorts of vision these days.

so lets just clarify: you say Jesus told u u are from the tribe of levi, one of the 144 000. i can see from ur profile u are male, 37 but what about the other requirement? do u qualify? ima underline it

revelation 14:4
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

another thing is u see, they are first fruits, not 2000 years later?
 

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Welcome LBTW.... share with us my friend all for the Glory of GOD.
 

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You know I haven't understood what and who the 144,000 are, guess I found my next bible topic to study:)
 

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I doubt that the 144000 know who they are at this point in time. God knows who they are but I just don't see them as revealed just yet.

The church will likely be gone from the earth when they are revealed.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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i'm of the opinion that "144,000" is a symbolic, not a literal number.

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that position explained ((somewhat)) briefly:

the order of the tribes, and the tribes themselves listed in Revelation 7 is very peculiar when compared to every other list of them given in scripture, listed neither by age or prominence, and i don't believe it's in any way accidental, but that it is listed in this way as a symbol that should be interpreted.
the broad construction of the chapter is as follows: John hears a voice saying "
put a seal on the servants of our God" and then hears the number of those sealed ((then the list)). then John sees "a great multitude that no man can number, from every nation, tribe, people and language"

this construction is repeated multiple times in Revelation: John hears something, then immediately sees something very different from what he has literally heard. ((ex. he hears that he is about to be shown the Bride of Christ, then sees the New Jerusalem in ch. 21 vv 9-10)). a conclusion easily & rationally drawn is that both what he hears and what he sees is the same thing, and that in the hearing and the seeing he is being shown two aspects of the same wonders, in sign and in symbol, and that both what he hears and what he sees are to be taken together to understand the mystery that is being revealed.

so -- with that principle in mind, it seems to me that the 144,000 is the great multitude that no man can number, which is not ethnic Jews alone, but taken out of every people. an examination of the symbology of the tribes as they are listed in ch. 7 supports this view, and to date i have never heard anyone who believes that the 144,000 are literal offer any alternative explanation of or even indeed take any notice of the order and names of the tribes at all, though i think it should not be dismissed.
the 144,000 are mentioned again in Revelation 14 and called "
those who have been redeemed from the earth" and also "purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits" - it should be clear that all of us who are found in Christ fall under the category of "those who have been redeemed" and putting Romans 8:23 together with Romans 11:13-16, it can be argued also that those brought into fellowship with God through Christ, Jew & Goyim alike, grafted in when the native branches were broken off, are referenced as firstfruits of the complete harvest which will be the redemption of all who He calls His own. so, both of these descriptions in chapter 14 fit all believers, not just a special number of thousands of ethnic Jews.

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yes, i know i could be totally off here. i've never claimed to have anything more than the dimmest understanding of eschatology and anyone reading should definitely take everything i've written with a pound of salt.
but it makes sense to me, at this time in my life, anyway.

way more sense than any JW position about the 144,000 at least, lol

feel free to disregard all i've said here -- it's just my opinion about the subject, and this subject in particular seems useless to try to debate over with anyone who has any kind of formed opinion about it. who ever took an alternative view of these things to heart once they'd decided something? don't we have 144,000 posts about it in the forum archives? and how many of those have ever made anyone change their mind?

my mind's not clear on these wonders. this is just the thinking i have about them now.
 

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Jesus told me I'm from the tribe of Levi.
Perhaps you misunderstood when the Lord declared that we are a kingdom of priests . . ?

Because priesthood is the symbolic reference of Levi - which scripture reveals is an office all believers share, the priesthood having been changed as Christ Jesus our high priest eternal was born of Judah, and in Christ there is no Jew and there is no Gentile.
 

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Hi postman thanks for helping:) I assume the definition of who and what the 144,000 are will vary depending on your stance on the rapture right? At least in our own views and understanding that is, see i don't really have a firm stance on my view of the rapture so perhaps that will allow me some flexibility in understanding the 144,000
 

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How has God confirmed to you that you are from the 144,000?Do you care to share any of your experiences.Life experiences or your relationship with God.Have you told anyone close to you what God has revealed.
This is honestly my favorite subject on the Bible.I never real say much to anyone about all the stuff I've experienced with God,because people tend to get angered when I mention stuff that seem supernatural.If anyone would share what they have been told,I'll open up.To be honest,I don't even know where I'd start.
Good day Lifted,

Personally, I don't believe that anyone will know that they belong to the 144,000 or whether anyone does. First of all, one would have to be in the lineage of one of the twelve tribes Israel and no one would have that information today, except for God. They may not even be aware of being sealed during that first 3 1/2 years.

One thing that is for sure is that the 144,000, because scripture states that they will not have defiled themselves with woman. And second that no lie will found in their mouths.

The church will never see the 144,000
 

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another thing is u see, they are first fruits, not 2000 years later?


you know it puzzles me ((if a person believes in a rapture and a literal 144,000)) how these could be called "firstfruits" to God & the Lamb if they aren't sealed and presented to Him until after an uncountable number of believers have been taken up and, erm, presented to God and the Lamb beforehand . . ??

wouldn't those already removed and brought into His presence be "first" ?

((not trying to poke at anyone just trying to understand))
 
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you know it puzzles me ((if a person believes in a rapture and a literal 144,000)) how these could be called "firstfruits" to God & the Lamb if they aren't sealed and presented to Him until after an uncountable number of believers have been taken up and, erm, presented to God and the Lamb beforehand . . ??

wouldn't those already removed and brought into His presence be "first" ?

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u are right my friend, it makes no sense..... another ting is so many clear scriptures in the nt contradict the half-way mode where some are in glorified and some in flesh bodies u see.
there just isnt anyone left in the flesh when Jesus returns, u either go to hell or heaven:

matthew 25:46 (sheep are saved and eternal life, goats are damned, eternally)
2 thessalonians 1:7-8 (all wicked are destroyed who dont know the Lord or obey His gospel)
1 thessalonians 4:16-17 (by contrast to the above all saved are caught up in the clouds u see, no one else left)
luke 17:28-29
1 corinthians 15:50
luke 17:20-21
john 18:36
 
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you know it puzzles me ((if a person believes in a rapture and a literal 144,000)) how these could be called "firstfruits" to God & the Lamb if they aren't sealed and presented to Him until after an uncountable number of believers have been taken up and, erm, presented to God and the Lamb beforehand . . ??

wouldn't those already removed and brought into His presence be "first" ?

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There are first fruits from every crop...don't know if that helps.
 

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Good day Lifted,

Personally, I don't believe that anyone will know that they belong to the 144,000 or whether anyone does. First of all, one would have to be in the lineage of one of the twelve tribes Israel and no one would have that information today, except for God. They may not even be aware of being sealed during that first 3 1/2 years.

One thing that is for sure is that the 144,000, because scripture states that they will not have defiled themselves with woman. And second that no lie will found in their mouths.

The church will never see the 144,000
What is the purpose of the 144,000? Like what are they called to do and why are they chosen as such important people that they are mentioned in the scriptures?
 
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u are right my friend, it makes no sense..... another ting is so many clear scriptures in the nt contradict the half-way mode where some are in glorified and some in flesh bodies u see.
there just isnt anyone left in the flesh when Jesus returns, u either go to hell or heaven:

matthew 25:46 (sheep are saved and eternal life, goats are damned, eternally)
2 thessalonians 1:7-8 (all wicked are destroyed who dont know the Lord or obey His gospel)
1 thessalonians 4:16-17 (by contrast to the above all saved are caught up in the clouds u see, no one else left)
luke 17:28-29
1 corinthians 15:50
luke 17:20-21
john 18:36
Being premillennial is difficult indeed, these verses are quite "case closed". The simplicity in Christ is wonderful.

Whatever position you hold, it is not about how Jesus returns, but about being ready for His return.
 
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What is the purpose of the 144,000? Like what are they called to do and why are they chosen as such important people that they are mentioned in the scriptures?
This is indeed a mystery in itself. Whoever they are or were, I consider them to be the firstfruits, meaning the people who first came to Christ from among the tribes of Israel.

James 1:1 during this time the tribes were still present. After the destruction of Jerusalem the genealogies were destroyed.