Why Works Will Be Judged by God

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Works are not for salvation, but what we build on that foundation, God will judge. If we sow to the works of the flesh, we shall reap corruption and God is not mocked since He did say the wages of sins is death; physical death is coming as those saved believers that have not departed from iniquity by His grace & by His help, will be disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper & become castaways into the great tribulation as in left behind to receive later as vessels unto dishonor in His House.

1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]10 [/SUP]According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [SUP]13 [/SUP]Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [SUP]14 [/SUP]If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Galatians :[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Revelation 2:[SUP]21 [/SUP]And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

If we mortify the deeds of the body by the Spirit & sow to the fruits of the Spirit by trusting Jesus Christ to finish what He has started in us, we are running that race by faith in Jesus Christ for it is by the grace of God He is helping us to lay aside every weight & sin so we can be received by Him as vessels unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper at the pre trib rapture event.

Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:... [SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, [SUP]2 [/SUP]Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. [SUP]26 [/SUP]I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: [SUP]27 [/SUP]But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

2 Corinthians 5: [SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9[SUP] [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

So that is why the call is given out to even former believers to repent for He still abides in them so that they too may obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation in Christ Jesus which is to be received by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House, because the loss of rewards of crowns is not the only dire consequence for not running that race by faith in Him; becoming a castaway and thus damned to become a vessel unto dishonor in His House is.

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: [SUP]12 [/SUP]If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: [SUP]13 [/SUP]If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself...........[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. [SUP]21 [/SUP]If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

We can entrust the souls of those unrepentant saints left behind to Jesus Christ in keeping their souls while they suffer the fire coming on the earth and the subsequent great tribulation as a result.

1 Peter 4:[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? [SUP]18 [/SUP]And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? [SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

John 6:[SUP]39 [/SUP]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. [SUP]40 [/SUP]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Make no mistake; we need to hope in Jesus Christ in helping us to abide in Him as well as being willing to leave this life to go when the Bridegroom comes because we can only live this reconciled relationship with God by faith in Jesus Christ which in running that race is also by grace of God.
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Works will be judged to determine whether each of us can be accepted to attend the Marriage Supper in His honor.

1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Just as the church is to excommunicate unrepentant believers to lead them to repentance, so will God do at the pre trib rapture event.

1 Corinthians 5:[SUP]4 [/SUP]In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]5 [/SUP]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Better believe unrepentant saved believers will be left behind at the pre trib rapture event so please heed the call & repent now to depart from iniquity so you can be received as a vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper held in His honor and to His glory.

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: [SUP]12 [/SUP]If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: [SUP]13 [/SUP]If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself...........[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. [SUP]21 [/SUP]If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.[SUB][SUP]
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The short answer is that social status will not be abolished in Heaven.

While Salvation is not based on works in any way. Status or social standing in Heaven definitely is.
 

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The short answer is that social status will not be abolished in Heaven.

While Salvation is not based on works in any way. Status or social standing in Heaven definitely is.
Oh my.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

To think that social status will be important in eternity is so carnal.

For the cause of Christ
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  1. Those who are in Christ are complete (Col 2:10) and perfect forever (He 10:14). If Jesus said He would not judge even the lost (Jn 12:47), why would He judge those He has redeemed and are now reckoned perfect?
  2. Peter said “Christ died for sins once for all” (1 Pet 3:18). If my sins have been removed and God is now “done with sin” (1 Pet 4:1), then what is left to punish?
  3. Finally, if the punishment that brought us peace was placed on Christ (Is 53:5), how can God now punish us? Would He not be unjust if He punished twice for the same offence?
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  1. Those who are in Christ are complete (Col 2:10) and perfect forever (He 10:14). If Jesus said He would not judge even the lost (Jn 12:47), why would He judge those He has redeemed and are now reckoned perfect?
  2. Peter said “Christ died for sins once for all” (1 Pet 3:18). If my sins have been removed and God is now “done with sin” (1 Pet 4:1), then what is left to punish?
  3. Finally, if the punishment that brought us peace was placed on Christ (Is 53:5), how can God now punish us? Would He not be unjust if He punished twice for the same offence?

This is not about the judgement of believers! There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.Ro 8:1.

This is about the parable of the talents. and about:

1 Co 3:11-15
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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Mt 5:19
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Mt 11:11
11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
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2 Co 5:9-10
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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The short answer is that social status will not be abolished in Heaven.

While Salvation is not based on works in any way. Status or social standing in Heaven definitely is.
Oh my.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

To think that social status will be important in eternity is so carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
He did not say that social status in heaven is important only that, in his opinion, it will exist. If social status does exist in heaven then it must be important or God would not allow it.
 
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Finish this. Because this had a particular point when Paul quoted it.

It's not carnal. Jesus Himself taught it.
Oh my.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

To think that social status will be important in eternity is so carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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Finish this. Because this had a particular point when Paul quoted it.

It's not carnal. Jesus Himself taught it.
Social status creates inequity.

1Co 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

Re 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne,

The perfect love of heaven will erase any social status. Perfect love for our Christ who died for us.

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The short answer is that social status will not be abolished in Heaven.

While Salvation is not based on works in any way. Status or social standing in Heaven definitely is.
Right... as long as you recognize that the vessels unto dishonor, although In His House and a part of the Kingdom of Heaven, they are dwelling on earth for their habitation in the kingdom of Heaven since the city of God will come down to dwell on earth as New Jerusalem.

The vessels unto honor shall have a place in the city of God whereas the vessels unto dishonor will represent the city of God as they serve the King of kings as placed all over the world for their habitation at different parts of the world in raising up the generations coming out of the millennium reign of Christ.
 
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Oh my.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

To think that social status will be important in eternity is so carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Do you believe that an unrepentant saved believer as a vessel unto dishonor in His House should have the same rewards other than salvation as the vessels unto honor in His House?

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. [SUP]11 [/SUP]It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: [SUP]12 [/SUP]If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: [SUP]13 [/SUP]If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself...........[SUP]18 [/SUP]Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. [SUP]21 [/SUP]If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If so, you would be hard pressed to correct any saved believer when they go stray when they do not see the point of it.
 
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Social status creates inequity.

1Co 3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

Re 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne,

The perfect love of heaven will erase any social status. Perfect love for our Christ who died for us.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
The perfect love of Heaven will purge iniquity from every believer to remain as that status in the kingdom of Heaven ( see Hebrews 12th chapter ) but like the prodigal son who gave up his inheritance for wild living, he can never get it back after he has been left behind as a castaway, but he is still son. His seal cannot be erased, but His inheritance to be received as a vessel unto honor can be denied when his unrepentant iniquity denies Him and his place at the Marriage Supper table.
 

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Oh my.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

To think that social status will be important in eternity is so carnal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger,

I mean no offense here or in any of my posts.

If you disagree with my statement, please tell me what the verses I cited in post # 6 do mean.

I am certainly open to learn.
 

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If there possibly is a type of social status in heaven, would not the most humble be at the top?
 
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If there possibly is a type of social status in heaven, would not the most humble be at the top?
In actual Heaven above. only the vessels unto honor dwell and they would be all equal in that respect as the first shall be last and the last first as Jesus said in regards to the O.T. saints sitting at the Supper table in Luke 13:24-30.

In the Kingdom of Heaven, the least of the brethren as in the vessels unto dishonor that are in His House, shall have the earth for their habitation in the kingdom of Heaven whereby when the city of God dwells on earth, they will be able to visit and represent that City of God all over the earth in that kingdom of Heaven.

But the vessels unto honor will see the vessels unto dishonor as the same as family sine the prodigal son, albeit, he can never have his inheritance back after giving it up for wild living, he is still son.
 

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If there possibly is a type of social status in heaven, would not the most humble be at the top?
It is written somewhere in the bible that the last shall be first and the first last. And then there was the part about the humble person sitting in the back that was invited to sit up front with all of the other persons of VIP social status. I concur completely with your estimation.
 
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It is written somewhere in the bible that the last shall be first and the first last. And then there was the part about the humble person sitting in the back that was invited to sit up front with all of the other persons of VIP social status. I concur completely with your estimation.
Still, there is a judgment for being in unrepentant iniquity.

Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. [SUP]28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Once at the Marriage Supper table, we should not have a mindset of thinking we deserve a better seat than others.

Luke 14:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he put forth a parable to those which were bidden, when he marked how they chose out the chief rooms; saying unto them. [SUP]8 [/SUP]When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding, sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him; [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he that bade thee and him come and say to thee, Give this man place; and thou begin with shame to take the lowest room. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

1 Corinthians 1:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]That no flesh should glory in his presence. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: [SUP]31 [/SUP]That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
 
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notuptome

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Roger,

I mean no offense here or in any of my posts.

If you disagree with my statement, please tell me what the verses I cited in post # 6 do mean.

I am certainly open to learn.
I'm not offended.

We only labor that when we enter into the presence of our Lord that we should hear well done thou good and faithful servant.

I'm only concerned that we do not corrupt service to the Lord with a desire to attain status.

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I'm not offended.

We only labor that when we enter into the presence of our Lord that we should hear well done thou good and faithful servant.

I'm only concerned that we do not corrupt service to the Lord with a desire to attain status.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Like it or not, there is a status of being a vessel unto honor as well as a vessel unto dishonor; but they are both in His House even though only the vessel unto honor gets to attend the Marriage Supper held in His honor & to His glory as they are there by the grace of God & His help as the Good Shepherd.
 

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2 Corinthians 5:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Like it or not, there is a status of being a vessel unto honor as well as a vessel unto dishonor; but they are both in His House even though only the vessel unto honor gets to attend the Marriage Supper held in His honor & to His glory as they are there by the grace of God & His help as the Good Shepherd.
You cite the verse but your understanding of the verse is incorrect. Has nothing to do with the marriage supper.

What do you suppose you will do with the gold, silver and precious stones? Gold is paving material in heaven.

For the cause of Christ
Roger