REFORMED?

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MarcR

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Because of a recent conversation I thought it might be interesting to post this thread.

Based on my understanding [or perhaps misunderstanding] of Church history I have come to recognize 4 major doctrinal distinctives that differentiate the denominations founded on pre-Reformation teachings from those denominations founded on Reformation teachings.

I am not looking to offend anyone; I'm looking to confirm or correct my understanding [or lack thereof]!

1) Believer's baptism by immersion not required for Salvation
2) Eternal security of the believer
3) rejection of literal trans-substantiation
4) congregational government of the church

Those denominations founded on pre-Reformation teachings include but are not limited to:

The Christian Church, The Baptists, Christian Missionary Alliance, Evangelical Free, Mennonite, In Faith, & Mission Covenant.
 
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Maybe someone can explain that post to this thick guy, but I can't make much sense out of it.
 
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You would be right on all 4 points on those churches' position

However you named the thread reformed, and there is such a thing as reformed baptist. The biggest difference between reformed baptist and the mainline protestant ones such as the anglican church is that the reformed baptist's have believer's baptism while anglicans do not.
The reformed baptist hold to all 4 but are reformed in their soteriology, meaning monergism (God alone saves) predestination and all of that, I am sure you are familiar with the infamous TULIP.
 
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You would be right on all 4 points on those churches' position

However you named the thread reformed, and there is such a thing as reformed baptist. The biggest difference between reformed baptist and the mainline protestant ones such as the anglican church is that the reformed baptist's have believer's baptism while anglicans do not.
The reformed baptist hold to all 4 but are reformed in their soteriology, meaning monergism (God alone saves) predestination and all of that, I am sure you are familiar with TULIP.
There, fixed that for you.
 
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Is infamous a negative word? Sorry if it is, I was sincerely not aware of it and did not mean to put a negative connotation to it.
Yes, it is derogatory, and given your history of being anti-cal, well, what else would I gather from your post? You seriously didn't know "infamous" to be derogatory in nature? I find that quite difficult to believe bro.
 

MarcR

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You would be right on all 4 points on those churches' position

However you named the thread reformed, and there is such a thing as reformed baptist. The biggest difference between reformed baptist and the mainline protestant ones such as the anglican church is that the reformed baptist's have believer's baptism while anglicans do not.
The reformed baptist hold to all 4 but are reformed in their soteriology, meaning monergism (God alone saves) predestination and all of that, I am sure you are familiar with the infamous TULIP.
Thank you.
 
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Yes, it is derogatory, and given your history of being anti-cal, well, what else would I gather from your post? You seriously didn't know "infamous" to be derogatory in nature? I find that quite difficult to believe bro.
I sincerely did not know that. I have heard people use it to describe anything widely known so that is how I meant to use it. I am not so much anti-cal as I am anti L in the TULIP, that is my biggest issue, but that is not the topic here so there is that.
Again sorry I did not know it.

English is not my native language
 
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I sincerely did not know that. I have heard people use it to describe anything widely known so that is how I meant to use it. I am not so much anti-cal as I am anti L in the TULIP, that is my biggest issue, but that is not the topic here so there is that.
Again sorry I did not know it.
No, it's not the topic here, but only after I addressed you for bringing it up did off topic become important to you.

Jesus didn't die for each and ever person who has ever lived, He died for the sins of His people.

To the OP, yes, correct, those are the 4 main issues.
 
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Because of a recent conversation I thought it might be interesting to post this thread.

Based on my understanding [or perhaps misunderstanding] of Church history I have come to recognize 4 major doctrinal distinctives that differentiate the denominations founded on pre-Reformation teachings from those denominations founded on Reformation teachings.

I am not looking to offend anyone; I'm looking to confirm or correct my understanding [or lack thereof]!

1) Believer's baptism by immersion not required for Salvation
2) Eternal security of the believer
3) rejection of literal trans-substantiation
4) congregational government of the church

Those denominations founded on pre-Reformation teachings include but are not limited to:

The Christian Church, The Baptists, Christian Missionary Alliance, Evangelical Free, Mennonite, In Faith, & Mission Covenant.
I am not sure we are called to be representative of a church in seeking the glory thereof but to be His disciple in testifying of Him in seeking His glory; to be witnesses of Him. A church's position could change; but the Truth can never change.

Philippians 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. [SUP]18 [/SUP](For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [SUP]21 [/SUP]Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
 
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No, it's not the topic here, but only after I addressed you for bringing it up did off topic become important to you.

Jesus didn't die for each and ever person who has ever lived, He died for the sins of His people.

To the OP, yes, correct, those are the 4 main issues.
If you want to discuss it you can PM me. Why cant you just accept my apology and keep it moving? The edit time is up for it.
 
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If you want to discuss it you can PM me. Why cant you just accept my apology and keep it moving? The edit time is up for it.
Why do you feel I haven't accepted your apology?
 

Magenta

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Jesus didn't die for each and ever person who has ever lived, He died for the sins of His people.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only
for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2
 
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He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only
for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:2
Wow, never saw that verse before. Poor folks suffering double jeopardy for their sins, what a shame. :D
 

MarcR

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I am not sure we are called to be representative of a church in seeking the glory thereof but to be His disciple in testifying of Him in seeking His glory; to be witnesses of Him. A church's position could change; but the Truth can never change.

Philippians 3:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. [SUP]18 [/SUP](For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: [SUP]21 [/SUP]Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
I was NOT trying to represent a church! I was trying to confirm or correct my understanding of Church history for no other reason than a love of history.
 

shrume

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No, it's not the topic here, but only after I addressed you for bringing it up did off topic become important to you.

Jesus didn't die for each and ever person who has ever lived, He died for the sins of His people.

To the OP, yes, correct, those are the 4 main issues.
That is not true. He died for everyone. Anyone can become one of his people by choosing to believe on him.

John 3:
16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Rev 22:
17) And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 
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That is not true.
Sorry fella it is true.

What is untrue is your misunderstanding and resultant doctrine.

He didn't die for every mans sin who have ever lived.

That is, unless you're a Universalist. That must be it, you're a Universalist, and therefore following your beliefs logically He paid the penalty of sin for everyone who has ever lived, so all are in as far as heaven, their sins are paid for.