Ascension
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I believe they are 2 different times...
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
That was outside the tomb
Acts 1:9-11 [FONT="]9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
The second one is after He returned and gave the Holy Spirit and appeared to many witnesses, I think it was 40 days after He rose but I must check that. Hope this helps.[/FONT]
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
That was outside the tomb
Acts 1:9-11 [FONT="]9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
The second one is after He returned and gave the Holy Spirit and appeared to many witnesses, I think it was 40 days after He rose but I must check that. Hope this helps.[/FONT]
I think his words to the woman were followed by him ascending into heaven and offering his blood upon the mercy seat just like the picture of the high priest in the tabernacle once a year....if she would have touched him it would have tainted his offering for sin.....
The even in Acts when the disciples watched him ascend into the clouds was an entirely different 2nd event in my view....
The even in Acts when the disciples watched him ascend into the clouds was an entirely different 2nd event in my view....
NT:680
2. Middle (present
<START GREEK>a/(ptomai
<END GREEK>); imperfect
<START GREEK>h(ptomhn
<END GREEK> (Mk 6:56 R G Tr marginal reading); 1 aorist
<START GREEK>h(ya/mhn
<END GREEK>; in the Sept. generally for <START HEBREW> ug^n*
<END HEBREW>, <START HEBREW> u^yG!h!
<END HEBREW>; properly, to fasten oneself to, adhere to, cling to
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, PC Study Bible formatted Electronic Database. Copyright © 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
Sorry the greek text in the software is incompatible with CC.
You know what? I think I'll just keep on with it. It hasn't harmed me yet I don't think.
There have only been a few times I've used it in depth, like to look up the words in the first chapter of Genesis. And it actually helped my understanding (though some would say it harmed me, lol!)
I'm not going to study Greek, at least I have no plans to as of now, so I'll keep to Strongs. It helps me to look up the root words too. It gives me a rounder understanding.
There have only been a few times I've used it in depth, like to look up the words in the first chapter of Genesis. And it actually helped my understanding (though some would say it harmed me, lol!)
I'm not going to study Greek, at least I have no plans to as of now, so I'll keep to Strongs. It helps me to look up the root words too. It gives me a rounder understanding.
Of course this will probably create a problem with the rapture debate...that He has already ascended and come again once in secret, only to His followers but not to every eye...
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. (Mk 16:19).
Strong's is an excellent concordance. It is not and does not try to be a lexicon.
A lexicon is like a dictionary except it gives definitions of 1 language in another language.
Thayer's is a Greek/English lexicon.
It not only gives basic definitions; it shows how a word is used in each grammatical construction.
A lexicon is like a dictionary except it gives definitions of 1 language in another language.
Thayer's is a Greek/English lexicon.
It not only gives basic definitions; it shows how a word is used in each grammatical construction.
According to John 20:1, Mary approached Jesus on the first day of the week. This is the first day (Sunday) after Passover and, according to Lev 23:9-14, the feast of firstfruits takes place on the day after the Sabbath following Passover.
The high priest would wave the sheaf of the firstfruits before the Lord. In waving the sheaf, it was a symbolic gesture of dedicating the harvest to the Lord.
Leviticus 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God
The children of Israel could not partake of the harvest until after the high priest completed the wave of the firstfruits offering.
When Mary met Jesus, He was on His way to fulfill the offering of the firstfruits to His Father. Just as no one could partake of the grain until the wave offering had been completed, no one could partake in the joy of our resurrected Lord and Savior until He had appeared before His Father.
The waving of the sheaf also marked the start of counting the seven Sabbaths to Pentecost (Lev 23:15-22).
On the Day of Pentecost in the year our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was resurrected from the grave, we have the first outpouring of Holy Spirit – Acts 2:1-4.
What a harvest hast been reaped from that offering of the firstfruits by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to our day and time. In fulfilling the feast of firstfruits, Jesus dedicated the harvest (all born again believers) to His Father.
(Don't know if this addresses the point in the OP, but it's what came to my mind as I read through the thread.)
The high priest would wave the sheaf of the firstfruits before the Lord. In waving the sheaf, it was a symbolic gesture of dedicating the harvest to the Lord.
Leviticus 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God
The children of Israel could not partake of the harvest until after the high priest completed the wave of the firstfruits offering.
When Mary met Jesus, He was on His way to fulfill the offering of the firstfruits to His Father. Just as no one could partake of the grain until the wave offering had been completed, no one could partake in the joy of our resurrected Lord and Savior until He had appeared before His Father.
The waving of the sheaf also marked the start of counting the seven Sabbaths to Pentecost (Lev 23:15-22).
On the Day of Pentecost in the year our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was resurrected from the grave, we have the first outpouring of Holy Spirit – Acts 2:1-4.
What a harvest hast been reaped from that offering of the firstfruits by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to our day and time. In fulfilling the feast of firstfruits, Jesus dedicated the harvest (all born again believers) to His Father.
(Don't know if this addresses the point in the OP, but it's what came to my mind as I read through the thread.)