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Allenbee

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We do know our Lord is in heaven sitting at the right hand of YHWH with myriads of angels.
Therefore, we do know there is life in heaven and life on earth. Nothing new.

To avoid mindless squabbles, this site is only for believers in "the Kingdom of GOD" on earth, and those "chosen" by YHWH for heavenly life.

My hope is earthly, so my study is searching the scriptures to see how to survive the great tribulation.

Wasting time answering Petrib, or pretert belief...is exactly that. A wast of time, as they try to stop the search for TRUTH.
 
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Waiting for something that already happened... Kind of sad.
 

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Your wanting to find out how to survive the tribulation? Well assuming one goes through it a a believer I would think the answer would be same thing we are told over and over again all through the bible. Trust in god and do not fear, honestly if I had go through it I would put all my hope and trust in him I mean how else could anyone even hope to make it a day in that otherwise?
 

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Wasting time answering Petrib, or pretert belief...is exactly that. A wast of time, as they try to stop the search for TRUTH.
This is quite amusing. Why would any Christian stop the search for truth? Well, as you already admitted Heaven is better than the earth (with Christ and myriads of angels). So why are you fixated on the earth? Even Paradise is in Heaven. Of course, if you have a martyr complex, you won't even experience the Great Tribulation.
 

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Nehemiah... the tent of God will be with MANKIND !
So God comes to earth , and we live in the Eden HE created it for . FULL STOP !

Who are YOU....to tell GOD... you going to heaven ?
Satan says that .
 

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"Waiting for something that already happened... Kind of sad".

Well... here we have the unwelcome preterit !

IF that already happened ....where are the people living forever ?
Hey... lets go see the Lord in Israel ?
Hey... so great there's peace on earth ?

Yes you genius... of COURSE it happened before. Pattern and examples .

AS in the days of NOAH...as in the days of LOT... SEPARATE then destruction !

"OH they
"Waiting for something that already happened... Kind of sad".

PRE TRIB AND PRETERITS ARE NOT GOING TO HELP SATAN.... TO try to DETRACT FROM TRUTH .

HEY ... srart your own thread !!!

Unlike YOU...we wont come and make satan stories.

You are the enemy of TRUTH|
 
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Allenbee

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GOD made the earth for NOTHING ... "THEY SAY".... WE GOING TO HEAVEN... YAHOOOO !

Sorry about that all you lovers of GOD'S creation... OUR mother earth.

So we stand even unto death as our LORD did for GOD'S Kingdom on earth to welcome our Lord back . Our role as HIS follower... to make this earth the Eden GOD created it for.

My Lord... you will find us doing that.

EXODUS from BABYLON.
 

Nehemiah6

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Who are YOU....to tell GOD... you going to heaven ? Satan says that.
Human beings don't tell God anything. But you have made a very serious accusation against Christ, and you should retract it immediately, and repent of your false beliefs. Now notice very carefully what the Lord Jesus Christ said before his crucifixion, and BELIEVE IT.

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

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In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


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And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:1-3)
 

Allenbee

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Your wanting to find out how to survive the tribulation? Well assuming one goes through it a a believer I would think the answer would be same thing we are told over and over again all through the bible. Trust in god and do not fear, honestly if I had go through it I would put all my hope and trust in him I mean how else could anyone even hope to make it a day in that otherwise?

Absolutely Blain well said... BUT that is FAITH... ALONE.

Did NOAH refuse to build an ARK because he had FAITH that he would be saved ???
Did Lot stay in Sodom AND Gomorrah... because he had FAITH he would be saved ??

Nope...When YHWH says HE is going to destroy the EVIL... time to leave !

FAITH with WORKS.

The ONLY ones who survived before 70AD... were those who OBEYED our Lord to flee the destruction in JUDEA.

Do you accept that the ONLY ones who were not Killed or led off into slavery... were those who OBEYED our Messiah to flee !!!
So these were Messianic Jews... like ALL the apostles Jesus CHOSE.

OK ... so far ?

To say "flee to the mountains" applies to JEWS ONLY then and NOW... is ridiculous, as NONE of these JEWS obeyed Jesus... OR WILL today ! EXCEPT MESSIANIC JEWS... AND WE ARE MESSIANIC GENTILES WORLDWIDE NOW, (known as "Christians").

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I believe in our Lord, so to me we flee as an ekklias (church) OUT of satans world and CITIES...TARGETED for destruction.

Of course if you are rich and comfortable... you wont know or even think about the 3000 MILLION suffering and dying, and the other BILLIONS enslaved all their lives....just to make ends meet !!

So... the meek inherit the earth.

READ the BIBLE my friends... DONT think you are "holy' cause you go to "CHURCH".

READ the sermon on the mount.... SEE the meek on earth and leaders "the chosen" in heaven.

IDENTITY the WHORE of BABYLON....35,000 DIFFERENT denominations worldwide.
The TRILLION DOLLAR ....BUSINESS...in the name of... OUR LORD !!!!

So satan rules as the... "angel of light".

We are in SATANS BABYLON... "Get OUT of her my people"....OR share in her fate. Rev 18;4.

"I will bring to RUIN... those ruining the earth"

SEPARATE FROM THE EVIL WHO MUST BE DESTROYED...BEFORE... THEY CAN DESTROY THE EARTH.

THE GREAT TRIBULATION... COMES TO DESTROY THIS EVIL.

So we flee with the promise from GOD'

"BEFORE US A GARDEN OF EDEN (God's will for mankind)... BEHIND US A DESOLATE WASTE" (satans hell... gone)

Ummm... the rich will hate this.
 

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Now notice very carefully what the Lord Jesus Christ said before his crucifixion,
and BELIEVE IT.

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.

3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive
you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:1-3)

that verse does not say people go to heaven, not at all
"that where I am, there ye may be also"

As the resurrected Christ ascended to heaven in clouds, so He shall return to Earth
in clouds (Acts 1:9-11; Matthew 24:30). Just as He is returning (1Thes 4:14-17),

the dead in Christ—those who have received and been led by God’s Holy Spirit
(Romans 8:11, 14), will rise in a gigantic resurrection, made immortal—including
all the prophets of old (Luke 13:28). Those who have the Spirit of God, then living,
shall be instantaneously changed from mortal to immortal (1?Corinthians 15:50-54)

and, together with those resurrected, shall rise to meet the descending glorified Christ
(1 Thessalonians 4:17) in the clouds in the air. They shall be with Him, where He is,
forever (John 14:3). They shall—with Him—come down out of the clouds, and stand
with Him, therefore, that very same day, on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4-5).



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the meek shall inherit the earth
Matthew 5:5,Psalms 37:11, Psalms 22:26, 37:9, 22,29

Psalms 25:13 (KJV)
His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
 

Allenbee

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Nemahih 666

But you have made a very serious accusation against Christ, and you should retract it immediately, and repent of your false beliefs.

Please tell us all what this very serious accusation against Christ is exactly ???
Perhaps you feel you are Christ...like the body of Christ or something ??? Is that it ?
Personally... I believe in the GRACE of GOD. HE knows best. He knows who we ARE ? " to the extent you did it to the least of these my brothers... you did it to me.( EVERYMAN is a sinner buddyboy).

NEXT;

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:1-3)


So.... you don't believe Jesus comes to earth for 1000 years then ???

"Ta da" everybody.... we eagerly await our rude gatecrasher and heaven bound saint's reply... HIS reply... to the great ISAIAH !!! (My best prophet friend).

"that where I am, there ye may be also"

Isaiah 66;
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where isthe place of my rest? (read the beautiful Isaiah 2 please. "The mountain of the house of THE LORD ")

2For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that ispoor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

The "woman" at Rev 12;

3Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. ( Rev 12 )
((8Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10(This MR "heavenly hope"... is heaven on earth, and I feel sorry for you people kissing a church leaders feet........ please read the Bible).

Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:

11That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.
12For thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream: then shall ye suck, ye shall be borne upon her sides, and be dandled upon herknees.
13As one whom his mother comforteth, so will I comfort you; and ye shall be comforted in Jerusalem.
14And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies.
15Now the confirming of end time... and WHAT pretrib.. huh ?

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

16For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
17They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
18For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
19And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

(gentiles here are considered as those like Moslem, Hidu, Budda etc etc etc, as EVERYONE will HAVE TO KNOW that I AM...YHWH)

20And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. (See... BEFORE new heaven and new earth, it's all about the earth, and we fled Babylon to tend GOD'S creation... the earth).
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Yeah Lord..."YOU will bring to ruin those ruining the earth".

So EARTH becomes part of GOD'S universe...BECAUSE of man.
We STOP satan accusing all of mankind of LOVING his GREEDY evil world, as we flee to live GOD'S way on earth as created.

NOBODY can be richer than sharing the WHOLE WORLD...AND wings come with everlasting life.

I want to be with the LORD...ON EARTH.


 

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We do know our Lord is in heaven sitting at the right hand of YHWH with myriads of angels.
Therefore, we do know there is life in heaven and life on earth. Nothing new.

To avoid mindless squabbles, this site is only for believers in "the Kingdom of GOD" on earth, and those "chosen" by YHWH for heavenly life.

My hope is earthly, so my study is searching the scriptures to see how to survive the great tribulation.

Wasting time answering Petrib, or pretert belief...is exactly that. A wast of time, as they try to stop the search for TRUTH.
Why would any human being want to survive the tribulation?
 

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Human beings don't tell God anything. But you have made a very serious accusation against Christ, and you should retract it immediately, and repent of your false beliefs. Now notice very carefully what the Lord Jesus Christ said before his crucifixion, and BELIEVE IT.

1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

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In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.


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And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. (John 14:1-3)
See how they cannot connect the dots... What is this place that Jesus is building in Heaven,, the place with many mansions?

Why are these people not inspired by God to be able to read scriptures a little here a little there and make the connections that bring understanding and Revelation ?

Lets read and see what this place Jesus is Building in heaven is and where it shall be in Eternity..

Revelation 21: KJV
1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. {3} And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. {4} And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. {5} And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. {6} And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. {7} He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

So the many mansions, the places for us that Jesus is preparing in heaven for us are in the Holy City, The New Jerusalem and in the end times that city will come down from God out of Heaven,, So humans will not be dwelling for eternity in heaven because they place we shall be dwelling in will leave heaven and come down to us onto the New Earth.

But again why can't people read these things and make the clear connection?
 

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present or absent with the Lord ?
earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon] with our house which is [from] heaven:
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2Co 5:1 For we know that if the earthly house of our tabernacle be dissolved,
we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens.

-Paul uses the tabernacle to represent our earthly house/body which will be
dissolved/mortal. but we have a building form God a house not made with hands,
eternal/immortal, in the heavens.

why is Paul saying this? The context from the prior chapter will help:

2Co 4:16 Wherefore we faint not; but though our outward man is decaying,
yet our inward man is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is for
the moment, worketh for us more and more exceedingly an eternal weight of glory;

while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen:
for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

-Our outward man/tabernacle/body is decaying it is mortal but we have faith
in the things that are eternal. What is this in relation to? when will this be?

2Co 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus
shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.

-So Paul faints not because of the Grace God gives and the promise that
this corrupt outward mortal man will be raised to eternal life just as Jesus was.

So again Paul says:

2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be [clothed upon] with our house
which is [from] heaven: 2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

-We want that clothing that is from heaven. what clothing?

2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that
we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

-mortality might put on life or immortality in other words.

Remember Paul has already connected the Resurrection with this in chapter 4.
but lets make it clear before we go on in the chapter:

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption;
it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be
changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet
shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on
immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and
this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying
that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

-This all takes place at the last trump at the coming of Christ. when our
mortal bodies are clothed in immortality changed in the twinkling of an eye.

-What does Paul mean we shall not all sleep and the last trump?

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them
which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them
in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

-So the last Trump is at the second coming of Jesus, and we shall not all sleep
but some will still be alive and remain. Those who sleep are resurrected at this time.

So lets go back to the texts in question:

2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God,
who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are
at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:

2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight)

-So through the earnestness of the Spirit they walk by faith not by sight,
in this earthly body and are absent from the Lord. because they are here
on earth and the judgment has not yet come. but:

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body,
and to be present with the Lord.

-They are willing or want to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
Contextually we have seen this happens at the resurrection not instantly.

Paul does not say or even infer that this is instantaneous at all. He simply says
he would like to be out of this mortal body and to be present with the Lord.
He does not even say that one equals the other but rather he wants to with the Lord.


Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Notice that he says, "present or absent" we may be accepted of him.
If being absent means He is already with the Lord then
how is it that the absent still hopes to be accepted of him?

Paul is simply saying that they labour in life by faith in this mortal body.
and the works that they do will follow them even in death/absent.

As it is written:

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write,
Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the
Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ;
that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to
that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Heb_9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die,
but after this the judgment:
 

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Daniel 12:12 (KJV)

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
This verse does not talk about being alive until the day mentioned.. All that are resurrected on that Day will be cometh to that day... For on the day of the return of Jesus the dead in Christ will rise first and we that are alive will be transformed in a twinkling of an eye... So being a dead saint and being a living saint makes not difference because both will be there on that Day..
 

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Personally, i dont know why you would worry so much about surviving the Tribulation.

Be like the Lord =)

He didnt worry about surviving HIS tribulation ^^

Is death really such a fearful thing?

Zillions of people have experienced it, so why not "step up" like everyone else?

Not in cowardice, not in fear. But with JOY and an unquivering smile =)

If you fear death, when its standing before you... can you Truly say to the Lord on that day... "I GLADLY died in Your Name Lord!"?
 

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If you fear death, when its standing before you... can you Truly say to the Lord on that day... "I GLADLY died in Your Name Lord!"?


Actually I refuse to die "eating and drinking" IN Satans sick evil world.
Those who die IN satans world are misled brothers, and have chosen to cling to satans world, as in the days of Noah, as in the days of Lot.

I will proudly die in the wilderness, or survive to the Lord's day in the wilderness.

Do not be fooled by "faith alone" false Christ teachings. (like the unwritten pretrib THEORY).

See Rev 12 where the "woman" flies to the wilderness at the start of God's wrath as Satan is cast down to earth.

SEE.. this woman is clearly Christian . The mix of Messianic Jew and Messianic Gentiles is Christian... the prophesied "Israel of GOD". So it was with those that fled destruction at 66-70 AD.

Pattern and parallels, examples from the GOD of ORDER.
The original church was the "Israel of GOD"....Messianic Jew and Messiah's gentiles. Definitely correct.
So it will be again...NO coincidence this IS happening today ! OK ?

Messianic Jews in Israel " those in Judea" flee Israel, and we Christians flee to our countries wilderness worldwide, as the great tribulation is on Satans cities worldwide.

That my brothers is the correct understanding of end time prophesy, and there is no "too soon" to "flee to the mountains" to live GOD'S WAY, keeping all his laws and statutes as instructed.

OR... you people refuse to believe this prophesy;
"and the CITIES of the nations fell" Rev

Pattern and parallels, examples from the GO
D OF ORDER.

Here is the whole story, and our Lord's salvation. (one of MANY from all the end time prophets).

Malachi 4;

1For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.(eating and drinking IN satans world).
2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. (Flee to the mountains to live GOD'S WAY)
3And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
(Do read JOEL 2 please, in the day of cloud and thick gloom. CH 3 too h; blessings on us and destruction on others 17-21). REPEAT; "WE" are part of JUDAH- followers of the lion of JUDAH. Jesus .

4Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: ("The voice in the wilderness" preaching the good news of the Kingdom...in the spirit of Elijah).
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with total destruction.



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So my brothers...DO YOU SEE how the whole Bible leads to the truth, and NOT just the faith in our lord and heaven, as taught by the false Christ CHURCHES.
 
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See how they cannot connect the dots... What is this place that Jesus is building in Heaven,, the place with many mansions?

Why are these people not inspired by God to be able to read scriptures a little here a little there and make the connections that bring understanding and Revelation ?

Lets read and see what this place Jesus is Building in heaven is and where it shall be in Eternity..

Revelation 21: KJV
1 "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. {2} And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. {3} And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. {4} And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. {5} And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. {6} And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. {7} He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son."

So the many mansions, the places for us that Jesus is preparing in heaven for us are in the Holy City, The New Jerusalem and in the end times that city will come down from God out of Heaven,, So humans will not be dwelling for eternity in heaven because they place we shall be dwelling in will leave heaven and come down to us onto the New Earth.

But again why can't people read these things and make the clear connection?
I can sit for hours watching workers at a construction site. ( framers).

Such skill and technique . Notching a board with claw hammer,putting a 2 x6 on the ceiling joists to walk on and handed rafters to nail up etc.

What would it be like to watch Jesus build??
 
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isnt it beautiful that Jesus on earth was a carpenter and He went to heaven to build a house for us? its not a coincidence.