Can God contradict Scripture?

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Many people claim to have heard directly from God, audibly or otherwise.

Some stand in front of a church with a message from the heavenlies for dead saints.

Some have said the new apostles will add to scripture with new revelation.

God gave the bible for a reason. It holds all the truth we need to know.
The issue is always with us working it out.

Imagine if God appeared to an individual and starting downloading new revelation.
The tendency would be to go only to this source, and not rely on scripture and the
Holy Spirit speaking in our hearts.

Equally if scripture speaks it plainly and simply the problem is our filtered understanding
and lack of obedience not the message.

So God will always reinforce His revelation, but never contradict that which is eternal.

A for instance taking Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for the whole world, does not mean
all their sins are washed away, because then judgement would not be on all they have
done, because it would be gone. Everyone would be deemed perfect and righteous with
no sin against their name.

Except if they are not written in the lambs book of Life, a living relationship with God,
they are lost.

So all revelation must be balanced out, to see the truth. Amen
 

MarcR

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The answer to the OP Question is NO! In many places God claims to give a consistent revelation and warns us that Anything prophetically revealed must agree with prior revelation. God will occasionally explain prior revelation in ways that are quite different than men's explanation but never inconsistent with prior revelation.
 

Blain

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Many people claim to have heard directly from God, audibly or otherwise.

Some stand in front of a church with a message from the heavenlies for dead saints.

Some have said the new apostles will add to scripture with new revelation.

God gave the bible for a reason. It holds all the truth we need to know.
The issue is always with us working it out.

Imagine if God appeared to an individual and starting downloading new revelation.
The tendency would be to go only to this source, and not rely on scripture and the
Holy Spirit speaking in our hearts.

Equally if scripture speaks it plainly and simply the problem is our filtered understanding
and lack of obedience not the message.

So God will always reinforce His revelation, but never contradict that which is eternal.

A for instance taking Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for the whole world, does not mean
all their sins are washed away, because then judgement would not be on all they have
done, because it would be gone. Everyone would be deemed perfect and righteous with
no sin against their name.

Except if they are not written in the lambs book of Life, a living relationship with God,
they are lost.

So all revelation must be balanced out, to see the truth. Amen
Where in the bible does it say he will not speak to us audibly?
 
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Imagine if God appeared to an individual and starting downloading new revelation.
The tendency would be to go only to this source, and not rely on scripture and the
Holy Spirit speaking in our hearts."


amen peter that is exactly How a false teacher or prophet operates, Once they can get people to believe God is talking to them, then the thought process becomes " I need to go through this Guy to get to God" that Guves them power over people, especially because there is so much in the Word, they can easily grab a scripture out of context and "support" thier idea and sell it to the people and label it Gods Word its exactly what Happened to Israel, and why were warned so many times again and again to watch out for false teachers and prophets.

1 peter 2:1 "
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jeremiah 23:14-17 "
I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
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Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: <<( revelation8:11) for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.

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Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

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They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you."

does verse 17 remind you of the gog? "doesnt matter whether you sin or not, God already said you will have peace no matter what you do"


the false prophets even then were preaching eternal security and certainly "no punishment on us because were chosen. God Loves us, we dont really need to take His words to heart, Hes too good to keep His word of Judgement".......lessons never Learned will always lead where we dont want to be.


its the danger of seeing the pleasing things in Gods Word, and omitting the things that are meant to teach us and change us from within.


 

oyster67

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Where in the bible does it say he will not speak to us audibly?
God can certainly do so if he wants to. I do not think the OP'er meant to imply otherwise. I think he was referring to false prophets who claim to have heard God, but really did not.
 
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Wow guys,that is rough not ever hearing his voice.

No,not audibly,but strong,clear,and purposeful. He spoke to me just this morning. We speak regularly,especially after the event/ miracle in Oct 2015.
Relationships are cultivated.

His words to me personally are addicting. Very precious. It is like honey completely covers you,and such warmth and elation.

Nothing like it.

But I was birthed into it. Been around that type of walk for 40 years.

I never will forget his first words to me as a new birthed believer." You are not your own. You belong to
Me"
 

Blain

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God can certainly do so if he wants to. I do not think the OP'er meant to imply otherwise. I think he was referring to false prophets who claim to have heard God, but really did not.
Ah I see, yes sadly I have seen many of such which brings this scripture to mind
Jeremiah 23:21I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied.
 

Prov910

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I'm not sure the question, "Can God (do something)?" is a valid question. God is omnipotent. As such, He *could* do anything that He wants to. Does he? No. But it's not because he can't. It's because he is not inclined to. /jmho


edit: Oyster said pretty much the same thing that I did. He posted while I was typing this post--due to my big clumsy fingers! lol
 
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oyster67

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I'm not sure the question, "Can God (do something)?" is a valid question. God is omnipotent. As such, He *could* do anything that He wants to. Does he? No. But it's not because he can't. It's because he is not inclined to. /jmho


edit: Oyster said pretty much the same thing that I did. He posted while I was typing this post--due to my big clumsy fingers! lol
Yes, very dangerous to put God in a box of any size, shape, or color.
 
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Where in the bible does it say he will not speak to us audibly?
Blain - Not sure what you are getting at. Samual was called by God, God spoke to Moses,
God spoke to the disciples on the mountain of transfiguration.

But this is confirmation of His revelation, and also specific guidance to individuals in specific
situations.
 
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Yes, very dangerous to put God in a box of any size, shape, or color.
I agree 100% with you.
This is really about reinforcing the role of the word of God, and God has revealed
most of what is required in His word and through His people.

In the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, God tells the rich man, even if he was
to be resurrected, the people would still ignore Him.

I know too many believers think people will listen to them if miracles happen, rather
than a change of heart is required, not a display of power and authority.
 

Dino246

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Will God ever contradict Scripture, no. Will God ever speak outside of Scripture, as through a prophet, or to an individual, yes; Scripture declares that He will do so by the gifts of the Spirit. Should we ever take anything revealed extra-biblically as having equal weight with Scripture, no. The Lord is the final arbiter, and He does so in line with His word.

Some people do claim to hear God tell them things that are inconsistent with Scripture. Apparently, for this reason, many non-charismatics and cessationists (and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone) lump all extra-biblical revelation together as 'not of God'. Further, some people with a particular view on a debatable issue consider any message inconsistent with their view as 'not of God' - case in point, a woman sensing a call to preach.

Though I've heard such happens, I have yet to encounter any so-called charismatic Christian who claims that the messages they receive from the Lord are equal with or supersede Scripture. Far more common is the claim to have received insight or knowledge, direction, and comfort through these 'extra-biblical' messages. This has happened to me several times.

While many new believers are given 'downloads' of truth, knowing the Scriptures really is the best defense against error. Any message one receives needs to be compared with the written canon. Where it clearly conflicts, it should be discarded. Where it may conflict or is not addressed, further consideration is needed. These days, nobody should be claiming to have new Scripture for all.
 
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Wow guys,that is rough not ever hearing his voice.

No,not audibly,but strong,clear,and purposeful. He spoke to me just this morning. We speak regularly,especially after the event/ miracle in Oct 2015.
Relationships are cultivated.

His words to me personally are addicting. Very precious. It is like honey completely covers you,and such warmth and elation.

Nothing like it.

But I was birthed into it. Been around that type of walk for 40 years.

I never will forget his first words to me as a new birthed believer." You are not your own. You belong to
Me"
yea i think the difference is the term "audibly" internally in Our thought, our consciousness, Our Heart. its the spirit in us that He speaks through to our inner man. clear yes, for certain His voice, Just as He promised before His death. I think however also, if God is speaking to a person, the principles will never part from His written Word. for instance God will never say " tell a lie, its no big deal, it will get the Job for you to lie on your application" through the Word we see what God is Like, what He stands for and what His will is. His speaking to us will never change whats written, it will teach us to abide in those things that He has been saying since the first.

Hearing that word inwardly is a Great thing, its also important to recognize that satan whispers to Our inner man also, so as we learn to Know God, its clearer to identify His word because it will always remain consistant with the principles He has set forth always.
 

Nehemiah6

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A for instance taking Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for the whole world, does not mean
all their sins are washed away, because then judgement would not be on all they have done, because it would be gone. Everyone would be deemed perfect and righteous with no sin against their name.
Peter, you seem to have a major misunderstanding about the finished work of Christ and how it applies to the individual sinner. Christ became the Ransom for all, the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world. But only those who obey the Gospel -- repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ -- have their sins washed away. Those who "obey not the Gospel" are self-condemned and subject to the wrath of God. Please study John 3:14-21,36. Therefore that is the proper balance.
 
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The answer to the OP Question is NO! In many places God claims to give a consistent revelation and warns us that Anything prophetically revealed must agree with prior revelation. God will occasionally explain prior revelation in ways that are quite different than men's explanation but never inconsistent with prior revelation.

amen any contradiction ius simply because we dont grasp whats being said or how it applies, the fault is always with man and never with God or His Word.
 
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Peter, you seem to have a major misunderstanding about the finished work of Christ and how it applies to the individual sinner. Christ became the Ransom for all, the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world. But only those who obey the Gospel -- repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ -- have their sins washed away. Those who "obey not the Gospel" are self-condemned and subject to the wrath of God. Please study John 3:14-21,36. Therefore that is the proper balance.
This is what I believe, so I am not sure where you got the idea I was expressing otherwise.
I was suggesting some believe Christs sacrifice removed judgement for sin from the whole world.

We have had threads on this very subject, and a lot of the people on cc have agreed with this
theology. Their view is judgement is only on do you follow Jesus or not, now. Some expressed
this as judgement of works, but that argument died with the people who put if forward, and I do
not think people hold to it anymore, but I could be wrong.

I hope this clarifies my position. I wrote a doctrinal statement on a blog as a reference to where
I am coming from. God bless you.
 

Nehemiah6

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This is what I believe, so I am not sure where you got the idea I was expressing otherwise.
I was suggesting some believe Christs sacrifice removed judgement for sin from the whole world.
I think it was just how you expressed this earlier. I'm glad to see we are on the same page.
 
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yea i think the difference is the term "audibly" internally in Our thought, our consciousness, Our Heart. its the spirit in us that He speaks through to our inner man. clear yes, for certain His voice, Just as He promised before His death. I think however also, if God is speaking to a person, the principles will never part from His written Word. for instance God will never say " tell a lie, its no big deal, it will get the Job for you to lie on your application" through the Word we see what God is Like, what He stands for and what His will is. His speaking to us will never change whats written, it will teach us to abide in those things that He has been saying since the first.

Hearing that word inwardly is a Great thing, its also important to recognize that satan whispers to Our inner man also, so as we learn to Know God, its clearer to identify His word because it will always remain consistant with the principles He has set forth always.
I actually would hear God better than I do now when I was in the charasmatic renewal in the seventies and eighties..

That was really something. Then so much crept in with a business and youngsters to raise etc. But I have invested thousands of dollars in traveling to revivals and staying in the Glory of God. It has really enhanced my walk,and looking back I see where God honored my commitment to him and putting my money behind being in his presence.

I live for this:
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10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

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And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

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And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

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Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

DEAR GOD!!!!!!!!!

BRING IT ON JESUS!!!!!
 
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