Complaints about scripture using

[loveme1]

In the Bible discussion forum I think we are free to share Scripture because that is fundamentally what I come here for. Conversations do evolve and can be a back and forth and enjoyable.. yet I prefer Scripture rather than a verse out of context and then a long drawn out essay with one verse.. for that verse has a place in its chapter without us needing to write more than two chapters more to explain it.

There are many forums to choose from at CC but this is Bible discussion so Scripture is the topic and can and should be shared.

 

[Willie-T]

This may be difficult for some people to understand, and crystal clear to others. But, I have seen some people post Scripture they swore "proved their point", yet it seemed to me, to contradict their entire premise.

That is one thing that has always amazed me... that two different people can read the very same Scripture, and often see diametrically opposed things.

And I know that each one of them must be scratching their heads, wondering how in the world that other person could EVER see what they saw.

 

[Blain]

No doubt it's nice to have a solid grasp on Scripture, but I know some Christians here in my country who study the Bible excessively, to the point of becoming blind to obvious truths. They quote Scripture so much that they sound like lawyers -- not children of God. One of those guys once said that the repeated sin of adultery would not prevent him from going to Heaven because the sacrifice of Jesus was perfect and complete.

I learn more from simple minded Christians -- who know only the rudiments of the gospel, but have God in their hearts -- than from such all-knowing Bible teachers.

If it's a simple minded Christian with God in their hearts your looking for you found one though I may be too simple minded lol

 

[Blain]

I also have seen some people have an issue with copying and pasting scripture,I have never understood why that is. I mean when I am in a discussion and a scripture comes to mind but I can't quite remember all the word I look it up real fast and then copy and paste it, if God's word is posted why does it matter if it was from memory or from copying or pasting it?

 

[Willie-T]

I also have seen some people have an issue with copying and pasting scripture,I have never understood why that is. I mean when I am in a discussion and a scripture comes to mind but I can't quite remember all the word I look it up real fast and then copy and paste it, if God's word is posted why does it matter if it was from memory or from copying or pasting it?

I suspect they think it somehow verifies their "Spiritual prowess" if they can throw verses out there, off the top of their head.......... and the more "Thee's" and "Thou's" included, the better. At any rate, I imagine they feel it puts God's stamp of approval upon their Righteous Superiority.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I also have seen some people have an issue with copying and pasting scripture,I have never understood why that is. I mean when I am in a discussion and a scripture comes to mind but I can't quite remember all the word I look it up real fast and then copy and paste it, if God's word is posted why does it matter if it was from memory or from copying or pasting it?

lol thats exactly what i do

 

[Enow]

Normally when I see a person posting a massively long wall of scripture I also don't read it all but those kinds of posts make think they are only trying to prove themselves right, I mean it only takes one scripture to prove a point

I do it to avoid readers asking me question of where did you get that from and that? Or just plain... show me scripture please.

When dealing with apostasy, there is a requirement in making full proof of the ministry to reprove the works of darkness.

Case in point...

2 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; [SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [SUP]4 [/SUP]And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. [SUP]7 [/SUP]I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: [SUP]8 [/SUP]Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Course, Jesus Christ is doing the ministry and causing the increase as all powers has been given unto Him in Heaven and in earth; I am nothing in that sense, even though He is leading me to make full proof of the ministry at times.

The credit of the crown of righteousness goes to Him as I am the work of His hands even in ministry.

But sometimes, He leads me to just post a verse verses.

 

[OneFaith]

God's opinion is truth, and it is scripture. So why wouldn't anyone not want a scripture to back up what someone is saying? If what they are saying is not scriptural, then it is a false teaching- and how do we recognize false teaching if not by scripture? No, it's never wrong to use scripture, it is right to use scripture. But then it is up to the reader to decide if the scripture given was in correct context. The Bible answers itself, so you need other scriptures to back up its context to show if the meaning is correct or not.

"They studied the scriptures daily to see if what the apostles said was true."

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

As an observer and somebody who likes to passively participate in threads in the BDF by reading, I find the posts that are waterfalls of scripture to be the posts that I skip over. I figure if a person can do nothing but copypasta scripture to make their point, they have no point to make and are just trying to show off.

That being said, I never use scripture in posts. I freely admit I am largely ignorant and I see no need to put that on display for you all to jump on me for. I give you all enough ammo to use against me as it is.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

As an observer and somebody who likes to passively participate in threads in the BDF by reading, I find the posts that are waterfalls of scripture to be the posts that I skip over. I figure if a person can do nothing but copypasta scripture to make their point, they have no point to make and are just trying to show off.

That being said, I never use scripture in posts. I freely admit I am largely ignorant and I see no need to put that on display for you all to jump on me for. I give you all enough ammo to use against me as it is.

i think differently when i see big posts of scripture
but
man, i find you to be honest and easy to talk to

and for you to admit your limitations makes you far less ignorant than most

 

[JesusLives]

I think you are right Blain a lot of times people post scripture to prove their point but the following text is why we all should use the scriptures. Jesus said it Himself....

John 5:39You pore over the Scriptures because you presume that by them you possess eternal life. These are the very words that testify about Me, 40yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.…


All of us should read, search and use scripture to learn about God/Jesus/Holy Spirit. Because by developing a relationship with Jesus we have eternal life, we come to the Father through Him and we are saved. Our lives change and we become more like Jesus and people want to know what we have and we can then show them the way to Jesus.

 

[NayborBear]

There is something I have noticed here in the bdf there are some quarrels about the usage of scripture in posts.
Some think that most people here don't use scripture enough others think that the massive scripture users use scripture a lot because they think it will make their point valid even when it isn't.

How does everyone else here feel about this? My opinion is that I think it is very good use scripture but I also think we should be careful as to how we use it because sometimes we can think that we are standing on solid ground because we posted scripture but scripture can easily be misused. At the same time when the scripture aligns with what was said I think it is profitable as long it wasn't posted merely to prove yourself right.

I also have seen those who rarely use scripture but much of what they say is of scripture

I do use scripture....At times! Mostly though, as I strive in a "leading by example", That God the Father, and Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior, already know, WHAT the "scriptures" SAY! What they don't know, is what God's WORD, and the Words spoken by Jesus Christ SAY/MEAN to YOU! Granted....They KNOW, your heart! How about someplace here, in an open forum, where everyone and their brother, can see?

 

[Blain]

I am not against anyone using scripture but as with anything in both life and faith the motive of the heart is always the deciding factor, we must remember that even with pure intentions we can misuse the scriptures if we use them without God leading us to and sometimes we mistake his voice to post it with our own. Even if it's a wall of text if God lead you to do so then by all means do not hesitate to do so even if a lot people skip the wall because you never know if that wall of scripture was meant to impact a persons heart or not.

I only know to post scripture when two conditions are met, 1- a scripture comes to mind and 2 when I can feel that flow of the holy spirit. For me i know when he leads me to do something because there is this flow of sorts it just feels natural and that is when I have seen the scriptures give life otherwise it just doesn't feel right and I have been guilty of misusing the scriptures so I cannot exactly point a finger lol

 

[Angela53510]

This is the BIBLE Discussion Forum. We are supposed to be discussing the Bible, not the price of tea in China!

I try to post Scriptures, in red, so I can see that the content of my post is the Bible, not just my opinions or ideas. Except in opinion posts like this!

I try to post verses in context, usually 2 or 3 verses, unless context demands a lot more, and not till the verses in isolation are used to support things that are patently wrong, like Isa53:5d, to support that everyone is healed. Really, I'd like to post the whole book of Isaiah, but, not enough people read it in their Bibles, let alone in Forum context.

There are some people on this thread who really don't respect the value of Scripture, even though they have studied it and know it. There are others who don't post, because they don't know the Bible, and have said so. My suggestion is a daily reading schedule. You can get through the whole Bible in a year if you read 3 chapters of the OT and one of the NT, a day. Really not hard if you consider yourself a Christian.

I will say, reading any more than 1 verse of the KJV is impossible for me. Why people want to read in a foreign language is beyond my comprehension! They lost me! I hope it wasn't important, because I won't read it, or look it up to see what it actually says in English.

PS I do copy and paste Scriptures, even ones I have memorized. Typing can be hard on my hands/wrists/elbows depending on the day. Yes, my disability is my excuse!

 

[Angela53510]

I am not against anyone using scripture but as with anything in both life and faith the motive of the heart is always the deciding factor, we must remember that even with pure intentions we can misuse the scriptures if we use them without God leading us to and sometimes we mistake his voice to post it with our own. Even if it's a wall of text if God lead you to do so then by all means do not hesitate to do so even if a lot people skip the wall because you never know if that wall of scripture was meant to impact a persons heart or not.

I only know to post scripture when two conditions are met, 1- a scripture comes to mind and 2 when I can feel that flow of the holy spirit. For me i know when he leads me to do something because there is this flow of sorts it just feels natural and that is when I have seen the scriptures give life otherwise it just doesn't feel right and I have been guilty of misusing the scriptures so I cannot exactly point a finger lol

So if it feels good do it? This touchy-feelie nonsense will do you in. Start with the Word of God first, then see how you feel. But, we have discussed this before, haven't we?

It is very dangerous to start with feelings, because they lie! You can trust the Word of God will never lie, if you read it in context!

Have you ever read the Bible from cover to cover? Maybe Jan. 1, we can start a thread on this. I would love to see more Bible literacy in this forum. Actually reading the Bible would be a good start!

(Hint: Find a Bible in modern English, and you will make it through, with much less effort than older, archaic Bibles!)

 

[Nehemiah6]

There are many forums to choose from at CC but this is Bible discussion so Scripture is the topic and can and should be shared.

That's the whole idea of "Bible Discussion". We bring to bear the relevant Scriptures which apply to any topic or doctrine. At the same time, we try to avoid irrelevancies and lengthy dissertations. But most importantly, we BELIEVE what God has said, rather than try to find a way around the Word of God, or promote the doctrines of men.

 

[Nehemiah6]

(Hint: Find a Bible in modern English, and you will make it through, with much less effort than older, archaic Bibles!)

Ideally, every Christian who uses the English language would love to see a true, faithful, word-for-word translation in modern English. But every attempt to do so has been sabotaged by Satan, so that instead a giving us the pure Word of God, we have been presented with corruptions -- omissions, deletions, additions, substitutions, transpositions, alterations, paraphrases, and all kinds of changes which had no business being put into Bibles, and which in fact detract from the truth.

 

[preacher4truth]

So if it feels good do it? This touchy-feelie nonsense will do you in. Start with the Word of God first, then see how you feel. But, we have discussed this before, haven't we?

It is very dangerous to start with feelings, because they lie! You can trust the Word of God will never lie, if you read it in context!

Have you ever read the Bible from cover to cover? Maybe Jan. 1, we can start a thread on this. I would love to see more Bible literacy in this forum. Actually reading the Bible would be a good start!

(Hint: Find a Bible in modern English, and you will make it through, with much less effort than older, archaic Bibles!)

Yep. My Bible says to preach the word in season, and out of season. Obviously people here don't believe that part of the Bible as an admonition and example for us. Nope. Gotta go with how I feel instead.

IOW, not by the discipline of following the Word instead of feelings. Men who do things follow discipline and do things that they should if they don't feel like it. Those who follow feelings or wait to "feel like doing it," well, don't.

For the most part those who rarely use the Word are trying to make their case by offering excuses, while mitigating those who do use Scripture as if they should feel shame for posting blocks of texts. I will say though that a 10' long post of nothing but verses gets bypassed. Instead of that try some 2 Timothy 2:15 and rightly handle a text instead of offering miles of Scripture.

But I digress, it is probably a blessing in disguise that some rarely post the Word, it possibly curtails more Scripture twisting.

 

[dcontroversal]

All things should be weighed by scripture...the problem....some will pick a verse to hang a point on and totally disregard the context in the process....the bible can be made to say anything that one wants it to say when context is ignored......having said that....the word heretick in the King Jimmy comes from two Greek words (if I remember right 535 AM Monday Australia Jet Lag) and the two words mean opinionated one....the word and the absolute truth found in the word is not subject to our opinion or view....it fully represents the absolute truth of the God of heaven and we do great damage and injustice to it when we fail to be honest with what it teaches.......and in so doing we place the traditions and commandments of men over the word which makes it void!

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

There are others who don't post, because they don't know the Bible, and have said so. My suggestion is a daily reading schedule. You can get through the whole Bible in a year if you read 3 chapters of the OT and one of the NT, a day. Really not hard if you consider yourself a Christian.

I'll address this since it seems to be directed towards me.

I'm on my 4th time through the Bible and will have it wrapped up towards the end of October. My not using scripture in posts, AND my considering myself ignorant has nothing to do with lack of reading the Bible. Why I consider myself ignorant is my business and not something I feel like sharing in this environment. As for the comment "Really not hard if you consider yourself a Christian" - Reading the Bible is not a difficult thing for anyone with at least a 5th grade reading level to complete. I do not consider myself a Christian, and likely never will, yet somehow I can still manage to wade through my Bible with regular frequency.