What do people really believe?

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mcubed

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Ok. Just wondering how many people think we will either really be here for the rapture or Jacobs trouble/ the tribulation (I think that is what they call it post trib not sure…feel free to correct me… ) then the rapture?

Personally, I think this generation will see neither. No, I did not say if I was per or post trib. Is this just a fun topic or do you really believe you will be here for it either way?

Just to let you know I do not think any of us will see it either way...
 

Adstar

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From the signs i see happening in the world i believe the Day of the Lord will probably happen within the next 20 years ....

Nobody knows the day or the hour..
But those who know the signs will know the times..

1 Thessalonians 5: KJV
1 "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. {2} For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. {3} For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. {4} But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. {5} Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."

Luke 21: KJV
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."
 

MarcR

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Ok. Just wondering how many people think we will either really be here for the rapture or Jacobs trouble/ the tribulation (I think that is what they call it post trib not sure…feel free to correct me… ) then the rapture?

Personally, I think this generation will see neither. No, I did not say if I was per or post trib. Is this just a fun topic or do you really believe you will be here for it either way?

Just to let you know I do not think any of us will see it either way...
Mt 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV

the fig tree has always been a figure of the nation of Israel


This generation shall not pass There is nobody left alive from the apostles generation! I believe that the generation spoken of is the generation that witnessed the rebirth of national Israel.




Isa 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
KJV

The day was 11/18/1948. I believe that at least one person who was alive on 11/18/1948 will be alive for the rapture.
 

mcubed

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From the signs i see happening in the world i believe the Day of the Lord will probably happen within the next 20 years ....

Nobody knows the day or the hour..
But those who know the signs will know the times..

1 Thessalonians 5: KJV
1 "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. {2} For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. {3} For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. {4} But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. {5} Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness."

Luke 21: KJV
28 "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

So, you think the Jewish people as a nation will say in the next 20 years Baruch Haba B'Shem Adonai? Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord? Y-shua will return in 20 years?
This I do not know if it is backed up by a scholar so nothing new under the sun so in other word do not take my word for it (my personal belief) it will happen during the feast of trumpets. Y-shua's return. Riding on the clouds with the trumpet sound! All of the Spring feast fell right on cue with G-'ds appointed times, crucifixion, resurrection, Pentecost.
 

mcubed

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Mt 24:32-34
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV

the fig tree has always been a figure of the nation of Israel


This generation shall not pass There is nobody left alive from the apostles generation! I believe that the generation spoken of is the generation that witnessed the rebirth of national Israel.




Isa 66:8
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
KJV

The day was 11/18/1948. I believe that at least one person who was alive on 11/18/1948 will be alive for the rapture.


Very interesting thought indeed...
 

trofimus

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Suprisingly, the main factor I think we are nearing the end times is the colonisation of Mars.

Bible speaks about Earth and the return of Christ here.

So either Christ will take people from other planets back to Earth to judge them or He will return before people will massively live on Mars.

So it is not probably a matter of thousand years, few centuries, probably.
 
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Stranger36147

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No, I don't really feel I'll live to see the return of Christ. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
 

shrume

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I'm almost 65, and I think there's a good chance I'll live to see Christ's return.
 
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We are at the end time,and close to Jesus coming back.

The time of Jacob's trouble is persecution towards all Christians,Jews,and Gentiles,for Israel is spiritual now,although many Jews do not believe it according to the New Testament,and a Gentile becomes a Jew inward,and part of the commonwealth of Israel.

God will give the world 7 years to have their way and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and bring Israel to the truth.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

For the first three and one half years repentance,and salvation,is offered to the world,and when they take the mark of the beast then repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to the Gentiles,and God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah for the last three and one years,which all people who hold the testimony that Jesus is Lord and Savior will be persecuted both Jew,and Gentile,for they are the seed of the woman,nation of Israel.

Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack,because God has the plan to restore the kingdom on earth to her.

We know we are at the end time because the world can communicate with each other to come together as one.

The nations could come together at any time,although it will be chaos,and problems,and troubles,on earth,that cause them to come together to try to achieve peace on earth.

Like WW1,League of Nations was set up,WW2,United Nations was set up,and the natural disasters that are occurring,and famines,and wars,and rumors of wars,especially when nuclear weapons are involved,and conflicts,is what will drive the nations together.

America collapsing,and Europe coming together,and gaining power,and America and Europe will join together,which will cause all nations to come together.

The world can communicate with each other,so we are at the end time.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Daniel did not understand,but the people at the end time will understand,because of advanced technology,and travel,which the saints can see what the world is doing,and how it is possible for them to come together.

Nah 2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men are in scarlet: the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
Nah 2:4 The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.

Cars,vans,and trucks,automobiles.Driving close to each other,having lights,and going fast.

Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.

Jets.Paved the way to win the 6 day war,and take control of Jerusalem.

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

What Jesus told the disciples can only be known by advanced technology,and travel,for how would they know of these things that happen on different places on earth unless they can view what is going on in the earth.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

Can only happen with advanced technology for the world has to be able to communicate with each other,and travel to each other,for the nations to come together,which it is the time for God to allow all people that do not love Him to attack Israel,then God will put them down.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

The world cannot say Peace and safety,which is when the nations come together unless there is advanced technology,and with United Nations,religious organizations that work with all religions as having a core truth,and America showing the world that all ethnic groups,and religions,can get along,and tolerated,despite their differences,and the world can communicate with each other we sure are at the end time,and how much longer do people think it will be before the world says Peace and safety,and the nations come together.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The new age movement that interprets the Bible according to spiritual evolution through nature,which will occur at the latter times,which is the last days of the last days,which is occurring now.

The new age movement will make sense to the world because many people believe in evolution,and the new age movement is about evolution,that people are still evolving,and can be greater than their current state by the power of nature.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world,and the man of sin,the beast,will promote the new age movement,that exalts people,and the man of sin will convince the world that he harnessed the power of nature,and obtained power,and will share this power with whoever follows him,and will exalt himself above all that is called God,or is worshipped,and will not honor the God of his fathers,and will not regard any god,but in his estate he will regard the God of forces,or the power of nature as his higher power,and will exalt himself above all people.

The new age movement is here now,and has been going on for a while,with Helen Blavatsky,and Alice Bailey,that wrote many years ago concerning an occult interpretation of the Bible.

It is the latter times,it is the end time,and how long do people think it will be before the nations come together.

Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

The last kingdom,which the ten horns are the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,which operate for three and one half years,and then hand their power over to the little horn,man of sin,who rules for three and one half years,who has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues.

The 4th beast shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,which can only happen with advanced technology,and travel.

Rev 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

The 3 kings the beast subdues,plucks up by the roots,are the Arab nations,the religion of Islam,by way of nuclear weapons,for they rebelled against the operation of the ten horn kingdom,and unified religious system.

We know we are at the end time because of advanced technology,and travel,because the world can communicate with each other to be able to come together,and say,Peace and safety,because of all chaos,and problems,and fighting,in the world.

When America goes to martial law then that is probably when the nations will come together as one,for America is no longer the main player in the world,making it comfortable for the world to come together.

It appears that some might want a race riot on a nationwide level to be the final push to go to martial law,for their plan is the collapse of America to bring about the new order of the ages,and out of many,one,which is found on the back of the United States one dollar bill.
 

Blain

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I very much believe we will see these things come to pass and sooner than we think and I honestly don't know if the tribulation or the rapture will come first but I have had to many dreams of me going in the rapture to not believe I won't see it. But then again I did have one of me being in the tribulation yet being protected too so I don't really know
 
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I don't know what I believe about this topic. I've read extensively on multiple viewpoints and I don't think any of them make sense.

I like reading the threads here debating the end times though. That's good popcorn-eating fare. Yes indeed.
 
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i hope Jesus comes now. but i dont think it will happen now.
no man knows the day or hour is my answer u see.
 
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Ok. Just wondering how many people think we will either really be here for the rapture or Jacobs trouble/ the tribulation (I think that is what they call it post trib not sure…feel free to correct me… ) then the rapture?

Personally, I think this generation will see neither. No, I did not say if I was per or post trib. Is this just a fun topic or do you really believe you will be here for it either way?

Just to let you know I do not think any of us will see it either way...
Jesus warned His disciples and all believers that would be His disciples to prepare & be ready to go.

The fact that death can strike any one of us at any moment should alone be enough motivation to be found abiding in Him at all times by trusting Him as our personal Good Shepherd in helping us to discern the meat of His words in the KJV to discern good & evil by Him in these latter days where faith is hard to find so as to be laying aside every weight & sin in running that race to be accepted by Him as a vessel unto honor in His House when the pre trib rapture event does come.

The Bridegroom receiving the ready & abiding bride of Christ is for celebration and showing hospitality at the Marriage Supper Table, therefore He cannot come first as the King of kings to "gather elect" just to wage war against the armies that are attacking Jerusalem.

Think about it. How is it that the devil knows to rally the troop to attack Jerusalem at His coming? Therefore the nobody knows the day nor the hour means. it can never be post trib but pre trib.

All of Jesus's warnings are for believers that can be snared for the cares of this life now that they would not want to leave it, but considering how bad it will be for believers at the very end of the great tribulation, what believer would be tempted to stay?

No one.

Therefore His warnings are for the times for the way the world is now....for saved believers to prepare & be ready to go or risk being left behind.

But regardless, the call to be ready all the time is because death can strike at any moment and no saved believer should be thinking.... "well.... I doubt He will be coming today and so I might as well fornicate just this once.. and then ask for forgiveness", because should the Bridegroom or death appear, no one would want to be caught with their pants down.
 
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if the fig tree is israel lets say from 1948 hundred years so it could be 2048 poeple live to 100 sometimes.
i could be alive in that time but judging by the way things are goign for me it dont look likely lol.
 
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Ok. Just wondering how many people think we will either really be here for the rapture or Jacobs trouble/ the tribulation (I think that is what they call it post trib not sure…feel free to correct me… ) then the rapture?

Personally, I think this generation will see neither. No, I did not say if I was per or post trib. Is this just a fun topic or do you really believe you will be here for it either way?

Just to let you know I do not think any of us will see it either way...
I do not think I will be alive in the body when the rapture happens. I will have lived out my years before then. As far as having to endure any Seal or Bowl Judgments before the rapture? Don't know.
 

Nehemiah6

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As far as having to endure any Seal or Bowl Judgments before the rapture? Don't know.
Why don't you know? We all should know that all the judgments described in the book of Revelation are for the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the enemies of Christ. They express the wrath of God against sinners who have rejected God and Christ.

As to the Resurrection/Rapture, it should be clear to every Christian that it is an imminent event -- it could happen today if God so chooses. As to the Second Coming of Christ, that will only happen after all the terrible judgments have already come upon the earth, and the Day of the LORD has been fulfilled.
 
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I was raised in a church that dogmatically believed imminent return....I do not believe that....my stance is post tribulation/pre-wrath after the great tribulation.....the word keep applied unto the faithful in the church means to guard from loss or harm NOT REMOVE...Jesus said that if he did not come when he does that no flesh would be left alive and Paul said...WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN.....
 
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if the fig tree is israel lets say from 1948 hundred years so it could be 2048 poeple live to 100 sometimes.
i could be alive in that time but judging by the way things are goign for me it dont look likely lol.
Except a biblical generation is 70 years..
 

Nehemiah6

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I was raised in a church that dogmatically believed imminent return....I do not believe that....my stance is post tribulation/pre-wrath after the great tribulation.....the word keep applied unto the faithful in the church means to guard from loss or harm NOT REMOVE...Jesus said that if he did not come when he does that no flesh would be left alive and Paul said...WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN.....
You are equating the Rapture with the Second Coming. A common enough mistake, but which can lead to a lot of confusion.