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Locutus

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Matt 5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Matt 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill it?
 

loveme1

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Luke 24

44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48And ye are witnesses of these things. 49And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.



 

Nehemiah6

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Matt 5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Matt 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill it?
Jesus fulfilled what He came to fulfil the first time. That does NOT mean that all is fulfilled. There is a lot more to be fulfilled.
 
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I look at the life and ministry of Christ in the following way...

In order for humanity to be redeemable there had to be at least one human that kept the law inwardly and outwardly their whole life....Jesus did that...he fulfilled the requirements of the law to be found righteous before God and in so doing redeemed humanity in the eyes of God. Romans 3 in my mind deals with this...and that righteousness that is found in Christ (being witnessed by the law and prophets) is applied unto all that believe = justified before God by faith.
 

loveme1

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I look at the life and ministry of Christ in the following way...

In order for humanity to be redeemable there had to be at least one human that kept the law inwardly and outwardly their whole life....Jesus did that...he fulfilled the requirements of the law to be found righteous before God and in so doing redeemed humanity in the eyes of God. Romans 3 in my mind deals with this...and that righteousness that is found in Christ (being witnessed by the law and prophets) is applied unto all that believe = justified before God by faith.

We need to be worthy to walk with Him in white.. Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all that obey Him.. for those that Love Him obey Him.

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and the Faith of Jesus.
 
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We need to be worthy to walk with Him in white.. Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all that obey Him.. for those that Love Him obey Him.

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and the Faith of Jesus.
humans will never be worthy. its grace u see.
 

loveme1

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humans will never be worthy. its grace u see.
Do you want to check who spoke those words to us?

All that is from the Bible.. yes by Grace I do see.. GOD be thanked.
 

trofimus

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humans will never be worthy. its grace u see.
"All this is evidence that God's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering."
2 Tes 1:5

"But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage."

L 20:35

"Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

Mt 10:38
 
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"All this is evidence that God's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering."
2 Tes 1:5

"But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage."

L 20:35

"Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me."

Mt 10:38
i like it how its works there but not of works elsewhere :| well.......... what can i say. im lost
its kinda like acts 2 where its repent and be baptized for remission of sins but later in acts its just repent for remission, then later again its just believe :cool:

and we wonder why people have many different churches and doctrines u see.
 

loveme1

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Revelation 3

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

trofimus

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i like it how its works there but not of works elsewhere :| well.......... what can i say. im lost
its kinda like acts 2 where its repent and be baptized for remission of sins but later in acts its just repent for remission, then later again its just believe :cool:

and we wonder why people have many different churches and doctrines u see.
I think thats why we have James in the Bible. He is some kind of balance and connection between faith and works :)
 

loveme1

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I think thats why we have James in the Bible. He is some kind of balance and connection between faith and works :)
Paul teaches in favour of the New Testament in place of the Old that those who do not hold dear to the Messiah's Testimony get carried away with the wind.. and Peter even gives a warning about Paul's writings.. Paul and James teach us the Law of Faith.. Royal Law .. Law of Liberty which all equates to Loving GOD with all our being and each other through Faith in the Messiah's Testament.

The New Covenant is where GOD writes His law in our hearts and on our minds.. Repent and Believe.
 

trofimus

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Paul teaches in favour of the New Testament in place of the Old that those who do not hold dear to the Messiah's Testimony get carried away with the wind.. and Peter even gives a warning about Paul's writings.. Paul and James teach us the Law of Faith.. Royal Law .. Law of Liberty which all equates to Loving GOD with all our being and each other through Faith in the Messiah's Testament.

The New Covenant is where GOD writes His law in our hearts and on our minds.. Repent and Believe.
There were some serious conflicts between "those of James" and "those of Paul" in the first church. But the Church recognized the worthiness of both their "views" and thats why we have both Paul and James in the Bible.

Faith is what is needed for salvation, as Paul says.

And what faith that must be is defined by James. Active faith with works.
 
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Matt 5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Matt 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill it?
Not yet,for He has not fulfilled the role of the perfect King on earth,which He will do in the millennial reign,and then heaven and earth shall pass away.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament law,by being the perfect saint,perfect temple,perfect sacrifice,perfect High Priest,perfect Prophet,and whatever else He had to fulfill.

So we go by the 2 greatest commandments,love God,and love people,which all the law,and prophets,hang on those 2 laws,which Jesus fulfilled.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

But Jesus did not fulfill the role of the perfect King on earth yet,for He came as a humble servant,and at the millennial reign on earth in the future that is when He will be the perfect King on earth,and after the millennial reign then heaven and earth shall pass away.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

A spiritual sabbath by the Spirit,and it is a spiritual rest now.

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

All meat is good for it is spiritual now.

Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross,for they were contrary to us in that they had nothing to do with spiritual salvation.

We do not go by the physical ordinances,and physical laws,of the Old Testament.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

We establish the law,the moral laws,laws of love,for they are spiritual,holy,just,and good,and must always be obeyed.
 
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We need to be worthy to walk with Him in white.. Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all that obey Him.. for those that Love Him obey Him.

The saints Keep the Commandments of GOD and the Faith of Jesus.
We don't need to be anything. The victory that overcomes is our faith and we are made worthy IN HIM....you should try it..your law abiding rigmarole does nothing but proves your guilt and inability to keep the law!
 

loveme1

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We don't need to be anything. The victory that overcomes is our faith and we are made worthy IN HIM....you should try it..your law abiding rigmarole does nothing but proves your guilt and inability to keep the law!
You prove your inner with such words... for I believe what is written.. and if the Messiah states those things I believe Him over you. I feel for those hanging off your word as if it were Gospel. You give each other such a false sense of security. Yet the Truth stands.
 

loveme1

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Revelation 3

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. 5He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.




We don't need to be anything. The victory that overcomes is our faith and we are made worthy IN HIM....you should try it..your law abiding rigmarole does nothing but proves your guilt and inability to keep the law!

Does not hold up.
 

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Matt 5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Matt 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill it?
In verse 17 and in verse 18 are two different fulfillments...

1- In 17- fulfilling the law of the prophets.

2- In 18- fulfilling all things.

(1) God's laws will never change. HOWEVER, in the Old Testament we obeyed His law physically, but in the New Testament we obey His law spiritually. For example, in the Old, a physically perfect lamb was sacrificed, and in the New, the spiritual Lamb (of God / Christ) was sacrificed. The physical one did not even wash away one sin- it was only a physical representation of the spiritual way to come with Christ. "These were only a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ." Colossians 2:17.

So this is why Christ nailed the old law (physical way of obeying God's law) to the cross. This not only goes for the atoning sacrifice, but for all Old Testament law. Does that mean we no longer obey the Ten Commandments? Like I said, God's law will never change, but we are no longer under Moses' law with the physical covenant, we are now only under Christ's law with the spiritual covenant. (Matthew 28:18, Romans 7:1-4). You could not murder in the Old Testament, and you can not murder in the New Testament. The difference is, in Christ, if you hate your brother, you are already guilty of murder- because that's spiritually disobeying God's law.

If you truly love God and your neighbor, deeply, in that moment you will not steal or murder- therefore love (which is spiritual not physical) fulfills all the laws of the Old Testament prophets, without a physical list of rules to go by. Therefore, since the spiritual way of obeying God's law came with being under the authority of Christ instead of Moses, Christ fulfilled the law, andthe old way is nailed to the cross forevermore.

(2) Does that mean we no longer need the Old Testament- just because we are no longer under its laws? No, we need the Old Testament in order to understand the New Testament. Just like Jesus's parables compared physical things to spiritual things, to better our understanding, we need to compare all the old physical representations to their new spiritual meanings. For example, the layout of the tabernacle is a representation of the layout of the spiritual realm. You wash (baptism) before you enter the Holy Place (church/Christ's body), in it you eat bread (Lord's Supper), and our High Priest (Jesus) tore down the dividing curtain so that those in the holy place (church) could go into God's presence- which is the Most Holy Place (heaven).

Aside from this, we need to know about our creation, about David, etc. So we will always have the Old Testament as part of the Bible until Christ returns and all things are accomplished.

So we can't blend these two fulfillments together and say "The old law is in effect until Christ's return."- because it's not.
 
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Locutus

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In verse 17 and in verse 18 are two different fulfillments...

1- In 17- fulfilling the law of the prophets.

2- In 18- fulfilling all things.


Luke 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled.

Jesus said that all things written would be fulfilled when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in the 1st century AD:

Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then
recognize that her desolation is near.All things written would include both the law and the prophets.
 

mcubed

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Matt 5:17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

Matt 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill it?

Yes. He fulfilled it. So was it destroyed?