Pentecostal/charismatic Discussion/light debate thread

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I believe that the power of the holy spirit (speaking in tongues,healing,etc. Should operate in every Christian's life. Please post down below if you agree or if you don't. Please only debate lightly. The last thing we need is for more Christians to fight over things.
 

trofimus

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I think that the main power of the Holy Spirit is changing one's life:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Gal 5:22

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Gal 5:20

The main thing I have against pentecostal/charismatic movement is the twisted order of priorities. Their main goals are mostly of the flesh (success, health, wealth, power), against the biblical principles and against the Holy Spirit.
 
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I think that the main power of the Holy Spirit is changing one's life:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Gal 5:22

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Gal 5:20

The main thing I have against pentecostal/charismatic movement is the twisted order of priorities. Their main goals are mostly of the flesh (success, health, wealth, power) and against the biblical principles and against the Holy Spirit.
Im ashamed to admit that last part of what you said is right on the money for the most part. "do this and Jesus will give you money." but they miss one thing. He won't give you any more than you need. Also if it's okay with you, may i give my reasons for believing the way i do since you gave yours?
 

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I believe that the power of the holy spirit (speaking in tongues,healing,etc. Should operate in every Christian's life. Please post down below if you agree or if you don't. Please only debate lightly. The last thing we need is for more Christians to fight over things.
You will note in Scripture that those who were FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT spoke the Word of God boldly. Tongues (actual languages spoken supernaturally) were a sign for unbelieving Jews, and the gift of healing would eventually be replaced with the prayer of faith for healing (James 5:13-20).

13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


 
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You will note in Scripture that those who were FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT spoke the Word of God boldly. Tongues (actual languages spoken supernaturally) were a sign for unbelieving Jews, and the gift of healing would eventually be replaced with the prayer of faith for healing (James 5:13-20).

13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.


I don't believe that is what happened, however i can see why you would think that and respect your view on the matter.
 

trofimus

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Im ashamed to admit that last part of what you said is right on the money for the most part. "do this and Jesus will give you money." but they miss one thing. He won't give you any more than you need. Also if it's okay with you, may i give my reasons for believing the way i do since you gave yours?
You can do whatever you want, its your thread :)

I grew up in a charismatic church, I left it when I was 21 or so. I could not withstand it anymore.
 

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The Bible says in 1Corintians 12 that we are all of one body. Verse 28 says "He hath set some..." It. Goes on to say that some have different gifts and we should each covet the best gifts, prophesy.....BUT none of these mean a thing without LOVE.

I began speaking in tongues and faith at 14. Received the gift of prophesy at 27. The gifts of healing have been diverse in nature....I suppose like illness.
 
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The Bible says in 1Corintians 12 that we are all of one body. Verse 28 says "He hath set some..." It. Goes on to say that some have different gifts and we should each covet the best gifts, prophesy.....BUT none of these mean a thing without LOVE.

I began speaking in tongues and faith at 14. Received the gift of prophesy at 27. The gifts of healing have been diverse in nature....I suppose like illness.
Glory be to God. I began speaking in tongues at 15 and have been mainly operating in word of knowledge since then
 
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The Bible says in 1Corintians 12 that we are all of one body. Verse 28 says "He hath set some..." It. Goes on to say that some have different gifts and we should each covet the best gifts, prophesy.....BUT none of these mean a thing without LOVE.

I began speaking in tongues and faith at 14. Received the gift of prophesy at 27. The gifts of healing have been diverse in nature....I suppose like illness.
If you don't mind could you share a testimony or two with me of your experiences?
 

MarcR

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I believe that the power of the holy spirit (speaking in tongues,healing,etc. Should operate in every Christian's life. Please post down below if you agree or if you don't. Please only debate lightly. The last thing we need is for more Christians to fight over things.
1 Co 12:7-10
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV

On the basis of the verses above I believe the answer to the OP question is yes ! the power of the Holy Spirit should indeed operate in every believer's life. However we should not expect to find any specific gift or any specific combination of gifts operating in anyone in particular.
 
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1 Co 12:7-10
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
KJV

On the basis of the verses above I believe the answer to the OP question is yes ! the power of the Holy Spirit should indeed operate in every believer's life. However we should not expect to find any specific gift or any specific combination of gifts operating in anyone in particular.
I think that's a good way too put it.
 

MarcR

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I believe that the fruit of the spirit is far more important than the gifts.

While I am not a ceasationist, I am very much against the practice of coaching people especially children to speak in tongues.

Spiritual gifts, if they are real (and I do believe they can be and have been counterfeited) will be imparted by the Spirit Himself and not by the actions of people.
 
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I believe that the fruit of the spirit is far more important than the gifts.

While I am not a ceasationist, I am very much against the practice of coaching people especially children to speak in tongues.

Spiritual gifts, if they are real (and I do believe they can be and have been counterfeited) will be imparted by the Spirit Himself and not by the actions of people.
I somewhat agree with that statement. But i wouldn't try to convince little kids to speak in tongues either. You don't need tongues until it's time to minister.
 
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I believe that the power of the holy spirit (speaking in tongues,healing,etc. Should operate in every Christian's life. Please post down below if you agree or if you don't. Please only debate lightly. The last thing we need is for more Christians to fight over things.

I go to a pentecostal church and I disagree. There are many gifts of the spirit.
 

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I do not believe that every believer is supposed to have every gift of the Spirit. That goes against almost all of 1 Corinthians chapter 12....

to insist that a believer has to have a certain gift is totally unscriptural, and, in my opinion, is responsible for driving many new believers away. In that sense, it is anti-Christ.
 
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I somewhat agree with that statement. But i wouldn't try to convince little kids to speak in tongues either. You don't need tongues until it's time to minister.
I was your age when they convinced me of that very thing. 26, before I figured out they were wrong.

You don't need tongues, unless the Lord wants you to reach someone who doesn't speak your language and you don't speak theirs.

Honestly, the reason I'm not Pentecostal nor charismatic (as used in Christian circles today) is because I got tired about everything having to do with "What's God gonna do for me today." It tends to be usward, not himward.
 
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I think that the main power of the Holy Spirit is changing one's life:

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Gal 5:22

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Gal 5:20

The main thing I have against pentecostal/charismatic movement is the twisted order of priorities. Their main goals are mostly of the flesh (success, health, wealth, power), against the biblical principles and against the Holy Spirit.

I assume you have had bad experiences in the churches you have visited. Mine isn't like that at all.
In fact I don't know of any Pentecostal church in the UK like that.
 
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I do not believe that every believer is supposed to have every gift of the Spirit. That goes against almost all of 1 Corinthians chapter 12....

to insist that a believer has to have a certain gift is totally unscriptural, and, in my opinion, is responsible for driving many new believers away. In that sense, it is anti-Christ.
No you misunderstand. I don't think that either. When i say tongues i mean praying in tongues. This is seperate from the gift of tongues which is a message from God needing interpretation.
 

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I do not believe that every believer is supposed to have every gift of the Spirit. That goes against almost all of 1 Corinthians chapter 12....

to insist that a believer has to have a certain gift is totally unscriptural, and, in my opinion, is responsible for driving many new believers away. In that sense, it is anti-Christ.
Believing that stuff may be a manifestation of the mental illness the OP was concerned about.
 
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Im ashamed to admit that last part of what you said is right on the money for the most part. "do this and Jesus will give you money." but they miss one thing. He won't give you any more than you need. Also if it's okay with you, may i give my reasons for believing the way i do since you gave yours?

Again I don't know of any like this in the UK.

Maybe the problem lies with the US.