There Are Today No Signs In The Heavens.

[Cranston]

By definition, a sign is purposefully placed at a location where it will be readily seen by those to whom it is given, and it will contain a message easily understood within the comprehension of its viewers. Anything more than a sign will be a Prophecy, a Scripted or Written Account, an Audible Communication, a Constructed Edifice, a Programmed Venue, or a Cosmic Event.

There is in Scripture no place which shows Christians needing to have any kind of interpretation provided to them relating to Signs in The Heavens. John's Revelation narrates nothing in The Heavens which has taken place in history, nor is now seen in The Heavens. And, none of The Levitic Priesthood were trained or comissioned to supposedly interpret any of the Astrologic Signs or atypical events in The Heavens. The Magi of Matthew were not Hebrew or Christian, and are not exemplary for us today. When Jesus spoke of Signs being observed in The Heavens, He was speaking to ordinary people who were able to see them without specialized interpretation.

Today, no signs exist within The Heavens which convey a specific message beyond the Majestic Creation showing God's Omnipotence. For example, the astrology of Rev. Ch. 12 supppsedly significant upon 9/23/17 was in fact a nonevent. It was mere speculation.

 

[loveme1]

Some signs may be hyped up to cause fear.. fear consumes one and make them act..

The significance was always going to be kept guarded and then all the disinformation to distract...

 

[IamWhoIam]

Are shooting stars actually what they mean or is it something else a sign per say to study the heavens the mysteries within it.

is a wondering star actually wondering about without any coarse of direction.

once people had know idea about sun flares, now in modern times they can reckon havoc upon our electronics and can have a human psychological effects from CMEs (coronal mass ejections) though short lived they can include headache, palpitations, mood swings, and feeling generally unwell.

 

[Angela53510]

I utterly detest the false prophecy that the world would end last Saturday!

First, it is contrary to Scripture. No one knows the day or the hour, only the Father!

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Matt 24:36

Second, it scares the innocent among God's people. We have a mentally handcapped woman in our church. She can read, and heard about this false prophecy. After church, she told me how anxious it had made her, to the point where she couod not sleep. She saw something I posted on FB, decrying this sort of ungodly astrological predictions. She said what I said helped, but she wanted to know more. Because she read Rev. 12:1-5 and Sept. 23, 2017 wasn't in there!

Out of the mouths of babes! I spent a lot of time reassuring her from both the Bible, and PostHuman's information on how the astronomy was wrong. To say nothing of the fact that it has happened 5 times since 1000 AD!

But, it is one thing to hear a false prophecy, and not have the biblical breadth of understanding of the dynamics of prophecy. And another to be the evil and/or deluded people who start these ill founded prophecies. Times like this, it comes to mind we should go back to the OT directive to stone false prohets to death! That might make people think and reconsider before they post such utter garbage on the Internet!

1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, 2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ 3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 “You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him. 5 “But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has counseled rebellion against the LORD your God who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, to seduce you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from among you.”

We would not be surprised to be told that false prophets will appear from without, trying to “come in” amongst the people of God. Sad to say, however, in both the Old Testament (above) and the New (see Acts 20:28-30; 2 Corinthians 11:1-15; 2 Peter 2:1ff.), we are warned that false prophets will arise from “within” the people of God. In our text (Deuteronomy 13:1), we are told that these “false prophets” are able to perform “signs and wonders,” which will convince the nave that they are truly speaking for God. We should be aware that false prophets, if empowered by Satan, may be able to do that which is extraordinary (see, for example, the fortuneteller in Acts 16:16ff.).14 No wonder there are “psychics” who amaze those who seek guidance from them.

The ultimate test of a prophet is whether or not he (or she) leads you to worship the One True God in the way He has prescribed. And so it is in verse 2 that we are told that even though a “prophet”performs amazing feats, he is a false prophet if he urges men to follow other gods, new gods which they have not known before. Such prophets must not be given a hearing. While they do not realize it, these false prophets, like their master, Satan, are being used by God to test His people. By allowing them to arise, God puts His people to the test, to see whether or not they will follow Him with their whole heart and soul (verse 3).

False prophets confront the people of God with a choice—either they will hear and obey God, or they will follow the false gods who are promoted by the false prophets. If the Israelites choose to cling to God and to His commandments, then they must take these false prophets and put them to death. They must not tolerate them. There was to be no “religious pluralism” in the land of Israel. They were to follow Him who had redeemed them from their slavery in Egypt, by eliminating those who would seek to seduce them to forsake their God for another. In this way, Israel would purge the evil from among them.


https://bible.org/seriespage/3-false-prophets-part-i

While these verses above speak of true prophecy leading the people astray, how much more when the prophecy is false?

 

[garee]

By definition, a sign is purposefully placed at a location where it will be readily seen by those to whom it is given, and it will contain a message easily understood within the comprehension of its viewers. Anything more than a sign will be a Prophecy, a Scripted or Written Account, an Audible Communication, a Constructed Edifice, a Programmed Venue, or a Cosmic Event.

There is in Scripture no place which shows Christians needing to have any kind of interpretation provided to them relating to Signs in The Heavens. John's Revelation narrates nothing in The Heavens which has taken place in history, nor is now seen in The Heavens. And, none of The Levitic Priesthood were trained or comissioned to supposedly interpret any of the Astrologic Signs or atypical events in The Heavens. The Magi of Matthew were not Hebrew or Christian, and are not exemplary for us today. When Jesus spoke of Signs being observed in The Heavens, He was speaking to ordinary people who were able to see them without specialized interpretation.

Today, no signs exist within The Heavens which convey a specific message beyond the Majestic Creation showing God's Omnipotence. For example, the astrology of Rev. Ch. 12 supppsedly significant upon 9/23/17 was in fact a nonevent. It was mere speculation.

I would agree there is a difference between signs alone and signs and wonders working together as one source of faith

Signs represent that seen while a wonders that not seen. The faith principle is reserved for scripture. This is so that we can find the spiritual meaning hid in parables from natural man who does seek after signs and wonders gospel . Following the proper prescription found in 2 Corinthians 4:18 for rightly dividing parables I think we can come to the end of the matter .

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Signs like wars and rumor of war famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in many places. Sign of the times .They are to be observed and not sought after if it was scripture. It is simply saying things will be as normal as in the days of Noah in so much that every imagination of the thoughts of mans heart (human faith ), not the faith of Christ the supernatural..... their heart that did not know God was only evil continually.

Many today when hearing of these disasters of a corrupted earth begin to believe, again begin to believe again and again . That kind of hope disappoints them. Therefore those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, crucify Christ over and over. They are not walking by the same spirit (Christ’s) of faith according as it is written but rather by walking after the lying wonders that come from the imaginations of their own un-regenerate hearts .

 

[MarcR]

Mt 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
KJV

the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? The remainder of Chapter 24 is Jesus answer to this question.

While I certainly agree with Angela that Jesus has told us not to make predictions of when things will occur; I also believe that current events are far more consistent with Jesus revelation in Mathew 24 than any time in history has ever been.

I believe the rapture is immanent; but I will not and should not set a date.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Mt 24:1-3
24 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
KJV

the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? The remainder of Chapter 24 is Jesus answer to this question.

While I certainly agree with Angela that Jesus has told us not to make predictions of when things will occur; I also believe that current events are far more consistent with Jesus revelation in Mathew 24 than any time in history has ever been.

I believe the rapture is immanent; but I will not and should not set a date.

Could be I'm not disputing that at all, though that could be debated about anytime in history, the ottoman empire racing through Europe ravaging everything in sight could have been percieved as immanent. certianly world war 2 could have appeared by the people who lived in that time as immament.

 

[tourist]

The sun going dark will be a sign that everyone will be able to relate to. Glad to have you join us. Welcome to CC.

 

[IamWhoIam]

The sun going dark will be a sign that everyone will be able to relate to. Glad to have you join us. Welcome to CC.

That will be quite the huge sign in the heavens for sure.

 

[Cranston]

The sun going dark will be a sign that everyone will be able to relate to. Glad to have you join us. Welcome to CC.

I see you wisely agree all signs for us are at this point mere speculation.

 

[preacher4truth]

Today, no signs exist within The Heavens which convey a specific message beyond the Majestic Creation showing God's Omnipotence.

Ah, yes, I see you agree with Paul's Scripture in Romans 1.

 

[Cranston]

Ah, yes, I see you agree with Paul's Scripture in Romans 1.

Paul was at least smart enough to agree with the authentic Prophets and Apostles about God's Omnipotent Creation, even while trying to talk about his own style of salvation.

Satan mixes Truth with his ideas.