You know I have always believed that those that do not understand they have sinned against G-d are still "innocent" without sin before G-d so if they die they will go to heaven, the children and mentally ill. According to Ezekiel chapter 16. Tradition is the age of Bar/Bat Mitzvah. But I real an article once on how G-d did not punish the children of Israel upto the age of 20, anyone under 20 could enter the promised land. Do you think there is an age of "accountability"? what age? or what qualifies?
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(May I ask why you type God's name "G-d" instead of "God"? Are you 'o' racist?) lol
When a boy stops growing taller, is able to leave his father and mother, and start a family of his own. But like you said, there could be a mentally handicapped person who may physically be 45, but is only as mature as a seven year. Or an adult in a jungle somewhere who has not even heard of the Bible. The Bible says in such cases their conscience is a law onto themselves, and they'll be judged according to that. You are right, to those who do not understand that they have sinned, it won't be counted against them. For the Bible says "He who knows the good he ought to do, yet chooses not to do it, sins." So for those who know to read the Bible, but refuse to, they sin.
When a boy stops growing taller, is able to leave his father and mother, and start a family of his own. But like you said, there could be a mentally handicapped person who may physically be 45, but is only as mature as a seven year. Or an adult in a jungle somewhere who has not even heard of the Bible. The Bible says in such cases their conscience is a law onto themselves, and they'll be judged according to that. You are right, to those who do not understand that they have sinned, it won't be counted against them. For the Bible says "He who knows the good he ought to do, yet chooses not to do it, sins." So for those who know to read the Bible, but refuse to, they sin.
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Well, despite a specific age not being the concept, you're repeating an age oriented question again. You're rewording the same question is all.
Bypassing the age specific aspect of your question, we all, at some point, willfully do something we believe is wrong. Going against our conscience is viewed as a type of sin.
Bypassing the age specific aspect of your question, we all, at some point, willfully do something we believe is wrong. Going against our conscience is viewed as a type of sin.
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Jews don't spell out the name God. Most Messianic Jews are the same. Some Christians choose to follow some Jewish traditions.
But your belief is someone (just boys? Since that's what you specified) are not accountable for their sin until they are old enough to move out? Under that logic anyone under 18 has a free pass to sin.
But your belief is someone (just boys? Since that's what you specified) are not accountable for their sin until they are old enough to move out? Under that logic anyone under 18 has a free pass to sin.
No. But I have to be careful answering your question others have told me on here answering the same kind of questions they know I am a Jew and are sick of it... Don't really care but with that said... I'm trying to tone it down, but people ask me questions...I type G-d because it is ingrained... I type Y-shua instead of Jesus because I believe He is G-d, so it iss how I show Him respect in everything.... I do not think I am above anyone else it just is what it is...
Yes, while all are born with the old Adamic nature (Rom 5:12) there is an age below which children cannot truly grasp their own standing before God. I do not believe we could simply apply age 20 to that, but anywhere between age 5 and 15 would be when children can understand the meaning of sin and the Savior. It would vary with circumstances, Christian influences, and mental capacity.
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I pointed out that I was bypassing specific ages because it us a repeat of your first post. We can't give a specific age, so I'm not going to bother spending time guessing on it .
Technically speaking you could say a three year old is a sinner if he makes a choice to do something he's told not to. Does God view that as sin? I don't know. I'm not God. And He didn't tell us. Likely because it seems a potentially very subjective measurement. One only God can decide on.
Unless God Himself decides to make it known, which is unlikely since it's going to be specific to the individual, we don't know exactly at what point someone becomes accountable.
Or perhaps God knew better than to let us know. Humans, after all, love loopholes.
Technically speaking you could say a three year old is a sinner if he makes a choice to do something he's told not to. Does God view that as sin? I don't know. I'm not God. And He didn't tell us. Likely because it seems a potentially very subjective measurement. One only God can decide on.
Unless God Himself decides to make it known, which is unlikely since it's going to be specific to the individual, we don't know exactly at what point someone becomes accountable.
Or perhaps God knew better than to let us know. Humans, after all, love loopholes.
The Adamic nature is sometimes just sad. I remember my mother telling me something at the age of 14/15, she said it would separate me from G-d. I wanted to see if she was right, so that very night I went out on purpose and did it not carrying of consequence. By His grace I did not die before I got saved at age 18. We must teach our children when they are grown they will not depart from it... I think even if it looks like we do when we are grown we go back. How important!?!
Oh I didn't know that about the spelling. Personally I think it's disrespectful.
I'm sorry, I meant girls too. It's just that I was thinking of the verse "A man shall leave his father and mother, and be united to his wife." Which is why I was thinking 'boy'.
No, children (babies, kids, teens) do not have a free pass to sin. "Even a child is known by his behavior- whether his conduct is good and right." But his parents are accountable for him- like managers. When I think of the age of accountability, I think of when a person starts being their own manager. I think America has it right- around the age of 21. And again, that's if their maturity level matches the average 21 year old.
I'm sorry, I meant girls too. It's just that I was thinking of the verse "A man shall leave his father and mother, and be united to his wife." Which is why I was thinking 'boy'.
No, children (babies, kids, teens) do not have a free pass to sin. "Even a child is known by his behavior- whether his conduct is good and right." But his parents are accountable for him- like managers. When I think of the age of accountability, I think of when a person starts being their own manager. I think America has it right- around the age of 21. And again, that's if their maturity level matches the average 21 year old.