Divine Healing is Divine Life

joaniemarie · Sep 27, 2017

I have found an atonement (Job 33:24, margin).
Divine healing is just divine life. It is the headship of Christ over the body. It is the life of Christ in the frame. It is the union of our members with the very body of Christ and the inflowing life of Christ in our living members. It is as real as His risen and glorified body. It is as reasonable as the fact that He was raised from the dead and is a living Man with a true body and a rational soul today at God's right hand.
That living Christ belongs to us in all His attributes and powers. We are members of His body, His flesh and His bones, and if we can only believe and receive it, we may live upon the very life of the Son of God.
Lord, help me to know "the Lord for the body and the body for the Lord."
--A. B. Simpson

joaniemarie · Sep 27, 2017

While I'm going through certain health and life issues at this time in life., I'm discovering this truth about healing. It's a way of the life of faith. It's not about being perfect in faith. It's trusting in Jesus who is perfect and applying His worthiness each day and walking in that for myself because He gifted His righteousness to me.

There is no other way as a believer except to daily trust in Jesus who is divine health. It's not about being "good enough" for healing. Or "faithful enough" for healing. It's trusting in Jesus worthiness for healing. And that He put healing in us when He died on the cross.

Just like learning about the love He has for us and put in us. We learn how to love after we see how He loves us. We have the love of God but many of us don't walk in that truth and love. We love Him because He first loved us.

Having all these gifts already in us yet it takes a life time to learn about what Jesus actually did when He saved and set us apart as the sheep of His pasture and gave us these many gifts.

That is why I believe some of us are healed at different times. As each new challenge comes., new choices and new steps have to be made. The urgency of the situation causes me to keep seeking the right path and it's always Jesus and the love He wants me to behold in Him.

No matter how complicated the problem seems., It constantly comes back to that one major truth about God's love for me in Christ. The simplicity of accepting that truth is actually the most mature step to make every single time. Everything else comes after that. It's a spring board sort of speak to all the other truths., such as divine healing.

Behold what manner of love the Father has given unto us. That we should be called the son's of God. While going through times of looking for answers on how to live here., I believe it's always about first beholding His love and once again being confident in that love. Whether it be a certain health diagnoses or trying to use a lawn mower and learning how to maintain it. Stepping out in His love is the first step to all challenges ahead.

MarcR · Sep 27, 2017

joaniemarie said:

I have found an atonement (Job 33:24, margin).
Divine healing is just divine life. It is the headship of Christ over the body. It is the life of Christ in the frame. It is the union of our members with the very body of Christ and the inflowing life of Christ in our living members. It is as real as His risen and glorified body. It is as reasonable as the fact that He was raised from the dead and is a living Man with a true body and a rational soul today at God's right hand.
That living Christ belongs to us in all His attributes and powers. We are members of His body, His flesh and His bones, and if we can only believe and receive it, we may live upon the very life of the Son of God.
Lord, help me to know "the Lord for the body and the body for the Lord."
--A. B. Simpson

I think that the Hymn 'Just a Closer Walk With Thee' expresses much the same thought.

jb · Sep 27, 2017

For those interested you can find a bit of a study Here on this subject...

joaniemarie · Sep 27, 2017

Yes., those old hymn writing saints knew a thing or two about the walk of faith.

joaniemarie · Sep 27, 2017

jb said:

Hi jb., Well, that is a major looooong list that I can't check off first in order to get my healing. Why? because I'd never get healed!! I've discovered healing is simply trusting in the love of God in Christ and going from there.

It isn't about jumping threw those hoops to do and be what that link instructs. That's my conclusion on the subject. Each time we come to certain conclusions about a topic that is important in our lives., I realize we will always be learning more on the topic so I can respect your opinions jb. I just don't hold to what you posted in that list and here's why;

While in this situation of needing healing in many areas today., the clear message of Jesus gets lost in the complications of life. Many times we can be swept away in daily life by all the issues and choices and what ifs if we fail or pass. It's not about us., it's about Jesus and what He does regardless of own abilities. It's what Jesus has brought to the table., not me is the firm consideration I'm at right now.

The link you posted as conditions for healing would be yet another stresser for me if I didn't know about the simplicity of the truth., the only condition for healing is finding out how Jesus already paid for it and how I will be learning to walk in the things He has already given me for the rest of my life. Healing being one of the many.

None of it depends on my earning it or being repentant enough for it. I already have my sins forgiven and Jesus has already cleansed and made me whole. That is the truth I am learning to walk in that gives me divine healing. That is the whole point of this devotional. To point to Jesus and His gift of divine living. How else can we sheep walk consistently unless we have this truth to spring board from?

jb · Sep 27, 2017

joaniemarie said:

Hi jb., Well, that is a major looooong list that I can't check off first in order to get my healing. Why? because I'd never get healed!! I've discovered healing is simply trusting in the love of God in Christ and going from there.

It isn't about jumping threw those hoops to do and be what that link instructs. That's my conclusion on the subject. Each time we come to certain conclusions about a topic that is important in our lives., I realize we will always be learning more on the topic so I can respect your opinions jb. I just don't hold to what you posted in that list and here's why;

While in this situation of needing healing in many areas today., the clear message of Jesus gets lost in the complications of life. Many times we can be swept away in daily life by all the issues and choices and what ifs if we fail or pass. It's not about us., it's about Jesus and what He does regardless of own abilities. It's what Jesus has brought to the table., not me is the firm consideration I'm at right now.

The link you posted as conditions for healing would be yet another stresser for me if I didn't know about the simplicity of the truth., the only condition for healing is finding out how Jesus already paid for it and how I will be learning to walk in the things He has already given me for the rest of my life. Healing being one of the many.

None of it depends on my earning it or being repentant enough for it. I already have my sins forgiven and Jesus has already cleansed and made me whole. That is the truth I am learning to walk in that gives me divine healing. That is the whole point of this devotional. To point to Jesus and His gift of divine living. How else can we sheep walk consistently unless we have this truth to spring board from?

Instead of just giving it a cursory 10 sec glance, you might find it instructive studying it!

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joaniemarie said:

This is what I have against WoF -- "That living Christ belongs to us in all His attributes and powers."

The emphasis is always what we get out of the Crackerjack box! If I do A, B, C, and D, God owes me. He belongs to ME!

Not much different than most eastern religions. Most religions. The important part is ME.

I renounce, and will always renounce, anyone who thinks the grand total of God's purpose is in what he owes ME!

And now for pages and pages of "that's not what I'm saying," (and yet it is), followed by one or two paragraphs of "What's wrong with you people" (judgement because ME is always right), and very little about God being the center, instead of ME.

joaniemarie · Sep 27, 2017

Aww go tell it to A.B. Simpson then!

Nehemiah6 · Sep 27, 2017

joaniemarie said:

With all due respect to A. B. Simpson, the first sentence implies that because Christians are in the Body of Christ, and Christ is the Head of that Body, we all should be in perfect health. But that is not the reality, so Divine healing is not applied to all automatically (which would be wonderful if true).

Also to apply the term "rational soul" to Christ is to go beyond what Scripture says.

Also "the living Christ belongs to us" should really be "we belong to the living Christ" since He has purchased our redemption with His own precious blood. "in all His attributes and powers" would suggest that we all can be virtual supermen and superwomen. Again that does not correspond to the reality.

joaniemarie · Sep 27, 2017

... A virtual supermen and women... ? I must agree., superman and superwoman are comic book characters and then they were made into tv and movie characters. You are so right Nehemiah, that does not correspond to the reality...!

And I suppose we should never say Jesus is mine too??? Well, you might have to re write many of the old and new hymns too. You have a big job a head of you Nehemiah to straighten out all this false teaching.

joaniemarie · Sep 27, 2017

jb said:

I did read your link jb and gave it more than a 10 sec glance. There are too many conditions and hurdles to jump that make healing dependent on a whole bunch of different qualifiers and none were the One qualifier that counts; Jesus.

Also, I don't agree that God causes sickness and holds back healing so we will "learn a lesson"

Healing is dependent on Jesus. And I like the way A.B. Simpson said divine healing is the outcome of living a divine life.

It is almost oppressive how negative people are who chose to come to the threads I start and tell me how I'm just too happy. Many come here just to forbid that we should think positively about the Lord and His promises!!! But that is what we are supposed to be doing!! Having good expectations of what the Lord will do in our lives and other people's lives today.

Having good expectations of what opportunities the Lord will give us to serve Him and someone else today. Having faith in the fact that God is for us not against us. Knowing that He who has begun a good work in us will perform it TODAY even and until the day of Jesus Christ.

And if I'm just sounding way to positive for some of you who come to my threads? (((((((HUGS)))))))))
That's what the Holy Spirit will do for us when we believe He loves us. He gives us hope and a good future and has a good plan for us.

Many people are sick because they have no hope. Prov.13:12 says hope deferred makes the heart sick. Why do so many Christians here take a big fat wet blanket and put it over any words of hope and joy? I can't understand it but I'm not going to let it dampen my JOY!!

MarcR · Sep 27, 2017

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Lynn,

Neither LB Cowman, founder of Over Seas Missions, or A. B. Simson, founder of Christian Missionary Alliance has any connection with either WOF or the charismatic/Pentecostal movement in any way.

MarcR · Sep 27, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

L B Cowman is quoting A.B Simpson in her devotional. Ab Simson is not referring to physical healing in that quote. He is referring to Spiritual healing from the curse that Adam brought on humanity.

There is no seeking what he can get from God here! He is praising God for what He has already done.

There is no reason to presume that everything Joaniemarie posts revolves around WOF.

pottersclay · Sep 27, 2017

Joaniemarie sorry to hear of your difficulties arising. Trusting in the Lord is is a very challenging thing to learn. That's when his roots grow deep in our lives. Learning to trust in him reveals our heart and there the healing begins.
We have a wonderful father who knows us better than anyone else and knows your needs .
May the Lord of the impossible show you no limits to his grace and mercy. May his peace be upon you and yours.

Potter

Desertsrose · Sep 27, 2017

MarcR said:

Hi Marc,

I did some research on AB Simpson and yes he was Pentecostal in his beliefs. If you read this article, http://www.csph.ca/assets/1998-elliot.pdf, you'll find he believed that healing was in the atonement. He even taught avoidance of medical treatment and even was a bit of a mystic. Quite a complicated man it seems. He had a few nervous breakdowns and sought treatment in a sanitarium during his spiritual journey.

I believe this quote in the devotional above is all about physical healing after reading about his background. He taught and wrote a book, The Gospel of Healing.

So far as I know of what I've seen with my own eyes of what Joan posts here in the forums, it's about WOF/HG. I'm not on here all the time so there may be other posts she's begun that aren't. I'm just saying all those I've seen are.

That would cause me to understand what her point of reference is and I normally assume it is about WOF/HG and so I don't normally join in the discussions when she posts.

The above article is an interesting read.

MarcR · Sep 27, 2017

Desertsrose said:

That was a very enlightening read! From all my contact with CMA churches and their members I have never seen anything to suggest a link with the Pentecostal movement. I have never read Simpson's biography before. My impressions of CMA are primarily founded on personal experience:

When Simpson Bible College was located in San Francisco, five members of its faculty attended First Covenant Church of San Francisco (now Dolores Park Church), where I was a member. In many conversations with all five I never detected anything remotely charismatic.

A friend who pastored the San Francisco CMA church was taking classes at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary while I was a student there. We became close friends.

During the 33 years I lived in San Francisco 7 couples who were CMA members were in our close circle of friends.

My experience with the CMA in Oregon has been very similar. I know the pastors and the Christian Education directors of both the Salem and the Dallas, OR churches and I have seen nothing charismatic at either.

joaniemarie · Sep 28, 2017

If all of our lives were recorded on line for all to see., I wonder what would be revealed here on CC about one another? How many believers were saved from the brink of madness back in the day when they were given the Gospel? I'm sure the numbers are very high. And that is a good thing how the Gospel saves our souls and also gives us the truth that sets the captives free in their minds as well. Many of us know that the battlefield is often in the mind.

The Bible says the God has not given us the spirit of fear., but of power and love and a sound mind. How many believers have claimed this truth and walked in complete soundness of mind? I'm sure it takes time to develop this habit of life. Thankfully Romans 8:1 tells us that as we are going a head and learning., there is therefor now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Too bad for A.B. Simpon that instead of being remembered here on CC for his service to the Lord., Some people here instead will be thinking of his mental break down. For those of us who understand that Jesus sets the captives free., literally., we won't be looking at the weaknesses of the brethren., but instead the greatness of the One who set them free and helped them walk in newness of life. Amen!

joaniemarie · Sep 28, 2017

joaniemarie said:

While I'm going through certain health and life issues at this time in life., I'm discovering this truth about healing. It's a way of the life of faith. It's not about being perfect in faith. It's trusting in Jesus who is perfect and applying His worthiness each day and walking in that for myself because He gifted His righteousness to me.

There is no other way as a believer except to daily trust in Jesus who is divine health. It's not about being "good enough" for healing. Or "faithful enough" for healing. It's trusting in Jesus worthiness for healing. And that He put healing in us when He died on the cross.

Just like learning about the love He has for us and put in us. We learn how to love after we see how He loves us. We have the love of God but many of us don't walk in that truth and love. We love Him because He first loved us.

Having all these gifts already in us yet it takes a life time to learn about what Jesus actually did when He saved and set us apart as the sheep of His pasture and gave us these many gifts.

That is why I believe some of us are healed at different times. As each new challenge comes., new choices and new steps have to be made. The urgency of the situation causes me to keep seeking the right path and it's always Jesus and the love He wants me to behold in Him.

No matter how complicated the problem seems., It constantly comes back to that one major truth about God's love for me in Christ. The simplicity of accepting that truth is actually the most mature step to make every single time. Everything else comes after that. It's a spring board sort of speak to all the other truths., such as divine healing.

Behold what manner of love the Father has given unto us. That we should be called the son's of God. While going through times of looking for answers on how to live here., I believe it's always about first beholding His love and once again being confident in that love. Whether it be a certain health diagnoses or trying to use a lawn mower and learning how to maintain it. Stepping out in His love is the first step to all challenges ahead.

A repost to encourage again that this is a truth for daily learning that we keep seeking to behold what manner of love the Father has given unto us. That this is a good thing and one that there should be no argument over.

joaniemarie · Sep 28, 2017

pottersclay said:

Thank you potter! I like what you said in your post too. Amen! As we go through trials we get opportunity to look away from ourselves and our problems and onto Jesus. I find that is when perspective kicks in.

Trusting in the Lord with all our hearts and leaning not unto our own understanding., Acknowledging Him in all our ways guarantees He will direct our paths. It's a promise we can count on. Proverbs 3:5-6

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Lean on, trust in, and be confident in the Lord with all your heart and mind and do not rely on your own insight or understanding.
[SUP]
6 [/SUP]In all your ways know, recognize, and acknowledge Him, and He will direct and make straight and plain your paths.

Leaning on our own insight can be lethal. Each day I'm thankful for the Holy Spirit's leading us out of our own thoughts and into His. Amen!!

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