Do you support female pastors?

[DinoDillinger]

Do you believe that it is biblically acceptable to have women in church teaching men in an authority position. If you do, please support your belief with scripture giving examples and make your defense of the passages which seem to be in opposition to your belief.

And please, try to keep it civil.

[lightbliss]

In my opinion, there are many things troubling the world (& Christian society), I highly doubt a female pastor is going to send the congregation to Hell.

I'd rather have a strong, level-headed, God serving female as my pastor than a so-so, ineffectual male.

But it's how the Word is received and preached that's important, not the sex of the speaker.

[Mich223]

Paul in the bible says women are to remain quiet in the church. Although I belong to a church that have female pastors, I think the original intent was for men to lead the congregation.

[resurrection33]

Originally Posted by Mich223

Paul in the bible says women are to remain quiet in the church. Although I belong to a church that have female pastors, I think the original intent was for men to lead the congregation.

Is that the way most people felt in those days?

[Israel]

Genesis 5:1-2

This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

We have to focus on the deeper meaning of scripture as well. Here both male AND female are called by the masculine Adam. This is mankind. We know what came out of Adam was a woman to be his help meet and that he obeyed the voice of the woman instead of God. But by the above verse, we see the beginning of the meaning of the story SPIRITUALLY. It is here that matters as the flesh is passing away! Adam (mankind) needs a help meet for the task of spreading the seed of the living word to unbelievers. The "woman" that came out of this "Adam" is what we call Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, Hinduism, Buddism, and such for the task of helping "Adam" or mankind spread that seed. It is THIS voice that should not surpass the authority of the man (Adam or mankind)! If God has no respect of persons, that includes female and male as well as we are no longer to live by the flesh, but of the spirit. So if a woman who has the Spirit of the true and living God can teach me, a man, something I didn't know the day before, I would do well to listen to her!

[HumbleSaint]

Originally Posted by Mich223

Paul in the bible says women are to remain quiet in the church. Although I belong to a church that have female pastors, I think the original intent was for men to lead the congregation.

For I am the LORD, I change no. Malachi 3:6a

If it was in the early church, and it clearly says in I corinthians 14 that it is a command that women keep silent in the churches: and also that God don't change: so I guess that is something to think about.

[resurrection33]

Originally Posted by HumbleSaint

For I am the LORD, I change no. Malachi 3:6a

If it was in the early church, and it clearly says in I corinthians 14 that it is a command that women keep silent in the churches: and also that God don't change: so I guess that is something to think about.

The question might arise whether or not Paul was correct when he said women should be silent in church. Jesus said we should be just. I think justice is self-evident, and it seems unjust to me to prohibit women from speaking in church.

But woe to you Pharisees! for you tithe mint and rue and every herb, and neglect justice and the love of God; these you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. Luke 11:42 RSV

♥~ Galatians 3:28 - "...neither male nor female...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

♥~ Moses said in Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them!"

♥~ Joel 2:28 (King James Version)

28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions

♥~ Acts 2:17-18 (King James Version)


17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

♥~ 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival.




When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.
I would be afraid to condemn women preachers, lest I would be found to be fighting against God, and to be committing the vile sin of attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.



I pulled all this information of an article I read concerning women preachers! Here is the web site if you'd like to read the whole thing! women pastors

~♥~Jillian~♥~

[Mich223]

I think the Apostle Paul was clear on the matter. And there were no women pastors in the first century and early church.

[HumbleSaint]

Originally Posted by resurrection33

The question might arise whether or not Paul was correct when he said women should be silent in church. Jesus said we should be just. I think justice is self-evident, and it seems unjust to me to prohibit women from speaking in church.

Wow, so you are saying Paul was a heritic. That is pretty scary stuff. The Bible says

For the prophey came not in old time by the will of men: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Peter 1:21

All scripture is geven by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Timothy 3:16

[Israel]

Originally Posted by HumbleSaint

For I am the LORD, I change no. Malachi 3:6a

If it was in the early church, and it clearly says in I corinthians 14 that it is a command that women keep silent in the churches: and also that God don't change: so I guess that is something to think about.

Again, we must look at this from a spirtitual perspective. What or who are the churches? The women? The husband of the church? If we are looking at it from a world standpoint, some women don't have husbands or any man to learn from at home. So how are they then to learn? We must understand these meanings spiritually. The woman spoken of here are the churches help meets. "Christianity" is a church's help meet. She should remain silent in that we should teach God and not christianity.

Originally Posted by JMans1187

♥~ Galatians 3:28 - "...neither male nor female...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

♥~ Moses said in Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them!"

♥~ Joel 2:28 (King James Version)

28And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see

♥~ Acts 2:17-18 (King James Version)


17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: 18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

♥~ 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival.




When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.
I would be afraid to condemn women preachers, lest I would be found to be fighting against God, and to be committing the vile sin of attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.



I pulled all this information of an article I read concerning women preachers! Here is the web site if you'd like to read the whole thing! women pastors

~♥~Jillian~♥~

Well said!

[greatkraw]

you will not suffer a womanto teach nor to usurp authority over a man

an elder must be the husbando f one wife, hospitable and apt to teach

[kostik]

Sometimes, women are smarter than men.

[DinoDillinger]

Originally Posted by Israel

Genesis 5:1-2

This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

We have to focus on the deeper meaning of scripture as well. Here both male AND female are called by the masculine Adam. This is mankind. We know what came out of Adam was a woman to be his help meet and that he obeyed the voice of the woman instead of God. But by the above verse, we see the beginning of the meaning of the story SPIRITUALLY. It is here that matters as the flesh is passing away! Adam (mankind) needs a help meet for the task of spreading the seed of the living word to unbelievers. The "woman" that came out of this "Adam" is what we call Christianity, Islam, Judiasm, Hinduism, Buddism, and such for the task of helping "Adam" or mankind spread that seed. It is THIS voice that should not surpass the authority of the man (Adam or mankind)! If God has no respect of persons, that includes female and male as well as we are no longer to live by the flesh, but of the spirit. So if a woman who has the Spirit of the true and living God can teach me, a man, something I didn't know the day before, I would do well to listen to her!

I think this is teaching that God designed mankind with the intention of their being male and female and not that He just created man then decided that He needed a helper. He designed the two to come together to make a whole, not this stuff you are talking about with eve supposedly being 'religion'. Is Oprah in your bible study class?

[Crypto]

Originally Posted by greatkraw

you will not suffer a womanto teach nor to usurp authority over a man

an elder must be the husbando f one wife, hospitable and apt to teach

Amen, nowhere in the Bible does it lay out the qualifications for women in leadership in the church, it's only men, and that was the design from the beginning, that men should be the leaders in the church, pastors/bishops and deacons.

[DinoDillinger]

Originally Posted by Israel

Again, we must look at this from a spirtitual perspective. What or who are the churches? The women? The husband of the church? If we are looking at it from a world standpoint, some women don't have husbands or any man to learn from at home. So how are they then to learn? We must understand these meanings spiritually. The woman spoken of here are the churches help meets. "Christianity" is a church's help meet. She should remain silent in that we should teach God and not christianity.

Well, spiritually the church itself is called the bride of Christ. This may be realized as believers being the physical presence of God's work here on earth. So even spiritually you could not say that Christianity, or as some call it, sound doctrine, is the woman spoken of here. Now if you are correct and Christianity should be silent (which I don't see how that would be possible because what you say we should teach about, God is what Christianity teaches about), then in what way would Christianity be a helper? Which God should we teach? The god in buddism, which I think for the most part believe that we are our own gods, or the god in islam, or the god in hinduism, which would be considered idolatry I think by any of the Abrahamic religions, or judiasm, which if you also believe Christianity to be true, would be a shadow of and point to another religion, maybe we could teach voodoo, they are very spiritual, or wicca, or mother earth, or pigeons, I mean I don't think they ever hurt anybody. Have you ever studied logic, heard of the law of non-contridiction maybe? Is God the author of confusion, offering many different contridictory pathes to Himself? Or if any of these religions are true, would you not logically conclude that all others are wrong? Most of the religions you listed all have atleast this figured out, if they are right, then the others are wrong. Now in modern society in the name of tolerance you have many people who endorse all for the sake of not offending any. Many "spiritual" people today like to take religion with a buffet mentality, taking from each what suits them. I will stop the rant here.

[greatkraw]

lets face it; it is natural for men to be the leaders because they are objective and not overly emotional

[Israel]

Originally Posted by DinoDillinger

I think this is teaching that God designed mankind with the intention of their being male and female and not that He just created man then decided that He needed a helper. He designed the two to come together to make a whole, not this stuff you are talking about with eve supposedly being 'religion'. Is Oprah in your bible study class?

If Adam was indeed, the only man and the woman came out of him, then who are the others who were both male and female as this verse and in Genesis chapter 1 are plural?

Originally Posted by DinoDillinger

Well, spiritually the church itself is called the bride of Christ. This may be realized as believers being the physical presence of God's work here on earth. So even spiritually you could not say that Christianity, or as some call it, sound doctrine, is the woman spoken of here. Now if you are correct and Christianity should be silent (which I don't see how that would be possible because what you say we should teach about, God is what Christianity teaches about), then in what way would Christianity be a helper? Which God should we teach? The god in buddism, which I think for the most part believe that we are our own gods, or the god in islam, or the god in hinduism, which would be considered idolatry I think by any of the Abrahamic religions, or judiasm, which if you also believe Christianity to be true, would be a shadow of and point to another religion, maybe we could teach voodoo, they are very spiritual, or wicca, or mother earth, or pigeons, I mean I don't think they ever hurt anybody. Have you ever studied logic, heard of the law of non-contridiction maybe? Is God the author of confusion, offering many different contridictory pathes to Himself? Or if any of these religions are true, would you not logically conclude that all others are wrong? Most of the religions you listed all have atleast this figured out, if they are right, then the others are wrong. Now in modern society in the name of tolerance you have many people who endorse all for the sake of not offending any. Many "spiritual" people today like to take religion with a buffet mentality, taking from each what suits them. I will stop the rant here.

You are right. Christianity is Not the woman being spoken of here. Neither are the other religions for that matter. For all focus on the appearance.

Revelation 17

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

There are also seven churches mentioned in Revelation. Of these, what church is the bride of Christ? The church is everyone as Jesus is Lord of both the living and the dead. The point being is that God is not any one of these previously mentioned idols. He is a Spirit. Let's take Christianity for instance, or what some would say, is "sound doctrine". One christian says that God is a triune God of Father Son and Holy Spirit. You have another christian that says that God is only the Father and the Son. You have yet another christian who believes that God is only the Father and the Son was made. These examples are just the tip of the division in what some would consider "sound doctrine". Indeed, God is not the author of confusion, but when christians can't even come together in one mind in what some would consider "sound doctrine," again why judge the servant of another man? Is God three in one, two in one, one with three manifestations, or one? Even in Christianity, all of these can't be right! In any regard, there is only one path to the Father. By the Spirit. The same Spirit and mind that was in Jesus!

[phil36]

Originally Posted by greatkraw

you will not suffer a womanto teach nor to usurp authority over a man

an elder must be the husbando f one wife, hospitable and apt to teach

I agree greatkraw. There is nowhere that qualifies women to teach over men. I think the problem being in our society stems from feminism, and it seems an insult that men should say these things.. but men don't, God does!

Phil

[greatkraw]

Originally Posted by phil36

I agree greatkraw. There is nowhere that qualifies women to teach over men. I think the problem being in our society stems from feminism, and it seems an insult that men should say these things.. but men don't, God does!

Phil

remember it was a woman that got us all into troublein the first place