How did we get to the massacre in Las Vegas?

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The United States is no longer united. Stephen Paddock was 64 years old. Probably born in 1954. Four generations past, from today (2017), would be around the beginning of the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century. This was the time of the industrial revolution, centered around wealth, and the first world war. The Civil War was fought for that purpose of prosperity, contrary to popular belief, as were the history books’ false documentation in high school. The love of money is the root of all evil.

What have we turned a blind eye to in the last 100 years plus? I feel that we haven’t taken God’s perfect government into account for a very long time. Have we been praying the Lord’s prayer in vain, “thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven?” Is Las Vegas another harbinger (warning) given to us by the grace of God?

Exodus 20:3-6
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Revelation 3:15-16
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

 

[IamWhoIam]

I love my country, but the people from the 1700's pretty much wrote a pep talk. No doubt the African people who were slaves then didn't feel United in a land that inslaved them, And who said those English folks could just take north America from the natives that lived in North America already their home. pretty much no different than someone coming to my house and pitching a tent in my backyard then later on demanding I give them my house also.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I don't understand these types of threads

why do Christians expect non-Christians to act like Christians?

who is the we here that you are talking about?

the FBI do not even know why the man did what he did, but as Christians we do know why he did what he did

there is no country in the world that is a theocracy and this one is no different

and please note that I do find the attack to be abhorrent, but infanticide is worse

 

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I don't understand these types of threads

why do Christians expect non-Christians to act like Christians?

who is the we here that you are talking about?

the FBI do not even know why the man did what he did, but as Christians we do know why he did what he did

there is no country in the world that is a theocracy and this one is no different

and please note that I do find the attack to be abhorrent, but infanticide is worse

Are not believers to expose the truth to the world? Rhetorically, doesn't it seem as though we have failed for the last 4 generations, at the least? Looks to me as if we Christians have been lukewarm for quite some time, but no one can do it signal handedly. Maybe the Las Vegas thing is a wake up call because we fail to see what God wants us to see?

We go to church inclusively, propagating introvert behaviour when we should be extroverts.

 

[trofimus]

I understand that this is really bad event for the US, but I do not think it should be in the Bible discussion forum.

Not all of us are Americans and what can we do biblicaly with the question if the U.S. are or are not united?

In the EU, the police attack on Catalonia in Spain is also important, but what to discuss about it on this forum? I am not sure. Bad things happen in the world.

 

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I understand that this is really bad event for the US, but I do not think it should be in the Bible discussion forum.

Not all of us are Americans and what can we do biblicaly with the question if the U.S. are or are not united?

In the EU, the police attack on Catalonia in Spain is also important, but what to discuss about it on this forum? I am not sure. Bad things happen in the world.

I posted this in this forum to discuss how Christians are supposed to be a witness to the world, and also resist Satan. The rhetorical question is 'have we missed something, or ministered the wrong stuff?' Chaos is world wide, and it's getting worse every day.

 

[trofimus]

I posted this in this forum to discuss how Christians are supposed to be a witness to the world, and also resist Satan. The rhetorical question is 'have we missed something, or ministered the wrong stuff?' Chaos is world wide, and it's getting worse every day.

What would you propose Christians did wrong in this case?

I think that information about Christianity is everywhere and who desires can find it easily on the web, on TV, in various churches etc. What else should we do?

 

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What would you propose Christians did wrong in this case?

I think that information about Christianity is everywhere and who desires can find it easily on the web, on TV, in various churches etc. What else should we do?

Good question, open for discussion. It might not be what we did wrong, but what we should do right that we haven't been doing. To me it's obvious that we've missed something, and all of us have ideas when we sincerely think about the world's condition today. I don't know, but there is certainly something wrong and I think the church would be able to influence in the right direction, but that influence obviously is very little.

 

[trofimus]

Good question, open for discussion. It might not be what we did wrong, but what we should do right that we haven't been doing. To me it's obvious that we've missed something, and all of us have ideas when we sincerely think about the world's condition today. I don't know, but there is certainly something wrong and I think the church would be able to influence in the right direction, but that influence obviously is very little.

When I read what for example John tells us about the world, I do not think we can change the world to be more "Christian".

It can addopt some Christian kind of culture, habits, holidays... but it will not be in their hearts. Evil will stay in them. It will be the same situation like with OT Israel. Knowing, having information, having some habits, but totally depraved and evil. Even killing their God and Messiah.

Its quite common that nations knowing about real God are somehow more evil than others.

Even we must struggle with many evils in us, how much more the unsaved ones. How can we change that? Its on God.

 

[Ugly]

Not all of us are Americans and what can we do biblicaly with the question if the U.S. are or are not united?

Not answer? Not open the thread? You aren't required to read and respond to every thread.
And this IS an INTERNATIONAL fellowship site. Just because something doesn't deal with your country doesn't mean it has no place here. In fact you should Expect to see these sorts of posts on an International forum.


People criticize the US for being too self absorbed, yet you don't often see Americans criticize other countries that may post about politics or events in their countries. Typical double standards people have about the US. People blind to their own bigotry.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Are not believers to expose the truth to the world? Rhetorically, doesn't it seem as though we have failed for the last 4 generations, at the least? Looks to me as if we Christians have been lukewarm for quite some time, but no one can do it signal handedly. Maybe the Las Vegas thing is a wake up call because we fail to see what God wants us to see?

We go to church inclusively, propagating introvert behaviour when we should be extroverts.

you certainly are not speaking for everyone here. I don't know which church you attend, but not all churches are, as you say, inclusive and introverted

if x, y and z throw out the gospel in response to a, b and c sharing it, you can hardly blame a, b and c

do you blame every act of evil of lukewarm Christians?

if you do, I do not think you understand what is going on in the world

 

[trofimus]

Not answer? Not open the thread? You aren't required to read and respond to every thread.
And this IS an INTERNATIONAL fellowship site. Just because something doesn't deal with your country doesn't mean it has no place here. In fact you should Expect to see these sorts of posts on an International forum.


People criticize the US for being too self absorbed, yet you don't often see Americans criticize other countries that may post about politics or events in their countries. Typical double standards people have about the US. People blind to their own bigotry.

I do not see any threads about France, Poland, Spain or Italy, China, Canada, Russia or Australia in the Bible discussion forum talking about their unity or not, so yeah, it seems to me you are quite self absorbed, thinking that when something bad happens in your country, the end of the world is near

 

[mj007]

America is a very self-absorbed country. It's very hard to make them see this, even in their religious belief in guns. Owning a gun makes people feel like they are a God (whether they know it or not) and that affects the way they speak. It has a lot to do with how they are brought up. A little like the way people are brought up in North Korea, or even Hitler's Youth under Nazi Germany, they are taught to deem their country as 'exceptional', they grow up thinking they set the standard and other countries are inferior.

From what I observe on this site, American's like to own any of the conversations. I don't mean all Americans here, but generally there are Americans who stick around making sure their point of view is the one that is listened to. And interestingly, and maybe unknown to them, the ones they tend to be up against, are usually not American.

It would be nice for America to be a more humble nation, like most other countries in the world. I say take away their weapons, they will soon remember what being a human is. But the addiction will say that is the worst thing that could happen, all hell will break lose, people will break in and attack them. Paranoia, or just insanity, I don't know which one it means. A heroin addict will make up anything to keep his drugs and keep his addiction alive. Having an addiction to guns though, I think that is worse that any addiction, because it is living in insecurity, ah yes, but the gun gives the security right? And not faith in God.

Just look at The Gun Thread, so appropriate for a Christian site. It was not and would not ever be created by someone who is not American. In my eyes, non-Christian, anti-God, but in their eyes, true-Christian, and pro-God. No, just no. I observed that after the massacre people are talking about guns on it, as if that's appropriate, talking about shooting people at close range. That thread should be closed.

From a human point of view, people are allowed to tell you maybe you are wrong, and for my American friends, it is ok to 'admit you are wrong'. Haven't seen much of that here though, the humility.

How does talking about weapons fit on a Christian website?

I do not see any threads about France, Poland, Spain or Italy, China, Canada, Russia or Australia in the Bible discussion forum talking about their unity or not, so yeah, it seems to me you are quite self absorbed, thinking that when something bad happens in your country, the end of the world is near

 

[PennEd]

I do not see any threads about France, Poland, Spain or Italy, China, Canada, Russia or Australia in the Bible discussion forum talking about their unity or not, so yeah, it seems to me you are quite self absorbed, thinking that when something bad happens in your country, the end of the world is near

It's probably because at this point in history, If America falls to evil and the left, the whole world falls to evil and the left. If Spain or the Czech Republic falls, not so much. Sorry, it would be bad for you, but it wouldn't take the world down.

Make sense?

 

[StevieXKR]

As a libertarian and someone who believes in freewill I do not think that the United States should be made a scapegoat in these matters. Most western democracies are just the same having many opinions on all sides. It is just that the US is the most powerful and prosperous nation in the world so of course they are going to get this scrutiny. Personally I do not agree with the freedom to bear arms whatever you may be but that is just my opinion and many do not share my opinion. However many in the US do have this same opinion and we should ultimately leave it to the citizens to decide their fate. At the end of the day if a madman wants to get a hold of weapons then they will do it whatever the gun controls are. I do not agree with the use of arms but I just make the point.

 

[StevieXKR]

This is a very very unusual case. I do not believe that this madman had any cause or destiny. Please understand it is completely different from the threat of terrorism we in the civilized world are facing. The terrorists are trying to destroy our democracy and way of life, this was just and act of madness with no purpose or aim I believe and can not be compared with other terror driven atrocities. Sorry but that is just my honest opinion.

 

[trofimus]

It's probably because at this point in history, If America falls to evil and the left, the whole world falls to evil and the left. If Spain or the Czech Republic falls, not so much. Sorry, it would be bad for you, but it wouldn't take the world down.

Make sense?

I can see the point that America is more influential than Spain or the CR.

But I do not agree that if America falls to evil, the whole world falls to evil. Why do you think so?

 

[Lighthearted]

Satan is here to steal souls. As Christians all over this world all we can do is what God asks of each of us, be a light to others, show love and compassion, and pray,pray,pray.

 

[oldethennew]

oh these end-times! what's going on now, such being orchestrated by the hidden powers, -
they no longer can just be hidden behind a screen - the rats just about crawled completely
out of the bag, they have become so bold, and are only gearing-up, for the next round!...

soldiers', always keep your 's-words and shields ready, fine tuned for the battles to come'...

 

[MarcR]

2 Ti 3:1-4
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
KJV