The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

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stonesoffire

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Will be excited to see what all transpires in this thread.

Night all!
 

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I had to log back in because this just occurred to me. History does seem to repeat itself. So, if a temple is built, and a sacrifice attempted...would that be the abomination of desolation repeated?

I would be afraid to be there.
 
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I had to log back in because this just occurred to me. History does seem to repeat itself. So, if a temple is built, and a sacrifice attempted...would that be the abomination of desolation repeated?

I would be afraid to be there.
You're thinking! So, with THAT in mind, what might the first abomination have been that caused the Lord to come down so hard on Israel? (specifically, Jerusalem.... where the Temple was) What were the priests continuing to do on a daily basis that would have been an abominable to God?
 

Ahwatukee

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Greetings Stonesoffire,

I just have a question. What did it mean when Jesus said that He saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning?


Jesus said the above in response to the following:

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The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”

In response to this Jesus said to them:

"He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

The fall that Jesus is referring to, which he was an eye witness to, is Satan's original fall when he and a third of the angels rebelled against him as described in Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 12:12-18. However, we know that Satan and his angels still have access to heaven, because he appeared before God's throne and spoke to him regarding Job:

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them." Job 1:6

"Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the LORD." Job 2:1

"Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night." - Rev.12:10

Regarding the above, you would have to be in God's presence in order to accuse the servants of God day and night.

To recap, Jesus seeing Satan fall from heaven like lightning is referring to his original fall which took place prior to the creation of mankind. The war in heaven which takes place in Rev.12:7-9 is referring to a future time during the time of God's wrath and in the middle of the seven years, when Satan and his angels will officially be thrown out of heaven and restricted to the earth, which is also the result of the 7th trumpet and is the 3rd woe. At that time he will know that his time is short because he knows that he only has 3 1/2 before Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and is also when he will be captured and thrown into and locked in the Abyss during the Lord's thousand year reign.

I hope that this has been helpful
 

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Rev 6

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

any body know who is the beast in this verse?
 

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Enocish,,,The Lord made it clear that the days on this earth were 24 hr days, 30 day months and 360 day years, etc. He also made it clear that His time was as a 1000 years to our 1 day.

You see He is a Body of Light. Light has no mass, thus is not confined to the 3 dimensional laws our bodies have to deal with. Therefore, Time a part of the fourth dimension (height, width, Depth, Time) means nothing to HIM. We also see this throughout the Bible especially in the upper room after his resurrection. The door was locked and He was there. No He did not walk through the wall but rather just popped in.

You are correct there are 360 days in a year, as you already know that is the solar calendar. And only the country of Isreal ( Not tribe of Isreal ) goes by that any more. But when God gives prophesy to his children, About his children, It is done in the light and solar calendar years. now the rest of the world goes by the lunar calendar. Which has 365 days every 3 years and on the 4 the year 366. Sounds like confusion huh. And we know who the father of confusion is. And Christ, the same high priest that walked and talked with Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob foretold us all things. He made it clearer that there is no Good point of reference in mans 24 hour days. So he has to go by his timing in 4th deminsion. Which is a thousand years is as a day to the lord. And a day is a thousand years. To those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. This is a point of reference. ( Oh one more thing if you don't get this. Put it on shelf somewhere in your mind and when the time is right God will have you pull it off the shelf and make it grow. ) We are right now in the evening of the 13th day. It is almost the dawn of the 14th day, which is the Lords day. From there you should be able to find a point of reference. Hint : that in not the Begining. Now I felt like I needed to type this whole thing, which is not me,but Christ in me. There is an old saying, Some of you may have heard it before. The devil is in the details. Which simply means the devil decieves by twisting the truth just a little. He is a bible lawyer. If I may use this example ( which is what prompted me posting here because this one was so obvious.) The end of the world is coming, this really is confusing. The heaven and earth its self will not pass away. It will go on for Ever. But this heaven and earth age will pass away. It is reserved for fire and brimstone. 2nd Peter 3:5-6. For those that have eyes to see and ears to hear, May pease and love in our lord and savior Jesus Christ be with you.
 

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Rev 6

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

any body know who is the beast in this verse?
Yes, it is another designation referring to one of the "four living creatures" or cherubim. Here is another translation:

"And I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying, as a voice of thunder, "Come!"

Below is the definition of "living creature"

2226 zṓon (from 2198 /záō, "living") – a living creature (literally, "something alive"). 2226 /zṓon ("living creature") is often mistranslated "beast" (rather than "living being" or "living creature").

If you would like to know more about these four living creatures, click on "Christian Blogs" and "Member Blogs" and then on the right side of the page click on "Ahwatukee" and it will take you to my blogs on Revelation.

 

Ahwatukee

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Rev 6

6 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

any body know who is the beast in this verse?
They are an order heavenly beings. Ezekiel refers to them as "Cherubim" and Isaiah refers to them as "Seraphs." And here in Revelation John refers to them as "Living creatures" or "Living beings."
 

Jackson123

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Yes, it is another designation referring to one of the "four living creatures" or cherubim. Here is another translation:

"And I watched when the Lamb opened one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying, as a voice of thunder, "Come!"

Below is the definition of "living creature"

2226 zṓon (from 2198 /záō, "living") – a living creature (literally, "something alive"). 2226 /zṓon ("living creature") is often mistranslated "beast" (rather than "living being" or "living creature").

If you would like to know more about these four living creatures, click on "Christian Blogs" and "Member Blogs" and then on the right side of the page click on "Ahwatukee" and it will take you to my blogs on Revelation.

thanks a lot
 

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Rev 6

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

any body know who is red horse in this verse?
 
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Yes



I'm going to agree with you on this. But please examine what you believe a little closer.

When Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th trumpet, that's it, the end, fire from heaven.

He will appear a second time without sin unto salvation Heb 9:28.

That's where the story of the little scroll ends.

After that begins the description of the Roman beasts, (I know, Rome again, sigh)

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This is a parallel passage to Dan. 2, where the stone strikes the image. That would be the place where Jesus takes possession of the kingdom. After the stone strikes, the chaff and wheat harvest. Rev 20:11-15.

Then the new earth.

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There are only 2 resurrections, 1 Cor 15:23-28,23-24. We are waiting for the second one, the one with eternal salvation.

But then comes the end.
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Not me....I a waiting for the first one.....blessed is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION upon whom the 2nd DEATH hath no power.........the 1st Resurrection began with Christ and the 1st fruits and culminates with the description of what is found in 1st Thessalonians 4 and 1st Corinthians 15....
 

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I believe the 70 weeks ended in 70 AD.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel states that 70 weeks were "determined" on thy people and thy holy city.

To try and push this past the 1st century AD and into out future would make the anointing of the most holy still to be done, whereas we see from Hebrews that the Jesus entered the holy place to bring in everlasting righteous which we as Christians have in Him now:

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

To say that the 70th week is not accomplished is to state that physical Israel is still "thy people" and that the dirt based city in the middle east is still "thy holy city" - which goes against what is written by Paul and others and disregards that there is no longer Gentile or "Jew" the new "man" which Christ died to establish. In effect building back up what was broken down

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
 

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Not me....I a waiting for the first one.....blessed is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION upon whom the 2nd DEATH hath no power.........the 1st Resurrection began with Christ and the 1st fruits
The 1st resurrection was Jesus and the first fruits.

The 2nd resurrection, is Jesus appearing a second time unto salvation Heb 9:28.



and culminates with the description of what is found in 1st Thessalonians 4 and 1st Corinthians 15....
This is the second resurrection that you are talking about here, the rapt/resur coming, at the 7th trumpet. The one that is unto salvation.

There are only 2 resurrections 1 Cor 15:23-24, then comes the end.

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You can't have 2, 3, 4, or more 1st resurrections, because after the 1st one, would come the 2nd, the 2nd one can't be the first.

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The first resurrection in Rev 20 is the one where Jesus and the first fruits rose with Him.

It literally says the first resurrection.

Is it literally the first resurrection where Jesus rose or not?
 

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if you believe this descibes the end of the world you are mistaken...it was the end of the Jewish age, or theocracy.

I don't rem History telling us that any of this besides random earthquakes happen during the 70 AD years you speak of. I did not know there was a Jewish AGE or a Jewish Theocracy. You forgot the Bible... It is still written by Jewish Hands, therefore is a Jewish Book and Just in case you want to throw Jesus out with the Jews, He (as the SON of MAN) was Jewish as well....

Go ahead,,,Throw him out...Ah, not a good idea.
 

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I believe the 70 weeks ended in 70 AD.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Daniel states that 70 weeks were "determined" on thy people and thy holy city.

To try and push this past the 1st century AD and into out future would make the anointing of the most holy still to be done, whereas we see from Hebrews that the Jesus entered the holy place to bring in everlasting righteous which we as Christians have in Him now:

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

To say that the 70th week is not accomplished is to state that physical Israel is still "thy people" and that the dirt based city in the middle east is still "thy holy city" - which goes against what is written by Paul and others and disregards that there is no longer Gentile or "Jew" the new "man" which Christ died to establish. In effect building back up what was broken down

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
I thought that also, at first, that the 70 wks ended in 70 AD.

But then, after some discussions on CC, I have come to believe that the 70 wks ended in 37 AD when Israel rejected the kingdom and the gentiles entered in.

Jesus confirmed the covenant with Israel for 7 years, 1 week.

From the beginning of His ministry, the beginning of the 69th wk.,

Through His death, cut off in the middle of the week,

Then 3 1/2 years until Israel's final rejection of the gospel kingdom, and the gentiles enter.

So the 70 wks ended in 37 AD.

What do you think?
 

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As is testified to by the very words of the Bible.... WHEN you let Scripture interpret Scripture.
Ah, we agree at one point anyway... TO symbolize, allegorize scripture allows anyone to interpret scripture any way they desire. Outside of a Literal, historical, grammatical and context, context context hermeneutics, one is symbolizing or alergorizing entire Books of the Bible to fit their philosophy, world view and or lifestyle.
 
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Ah, we agree at one point anyway... TO symbolize, allegorize scripture allows anyone to interpret scripture any way they desire. Outside of a Literal, historical, grammatical and context, context context hermeneutics, one is symbolizing or alergorizing entire Books of the Bible to fit their philosophy, world view and or lifestyle.
IF they insist on ignoring the Biblical precept of allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture.
 

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Rev 6


4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him
that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another:
and there was given unto him a great sword.

any body know who is red horse in this verse?
The first horseman (on the white horse) represents religious deception while
the second horseman (on the red horse) represents war (Revelation 6:1-4).

The third horseman, riding a black horse, symbolizes famine.
The man on the pale horse symbolizes climactic, globe-encircling plagues
and pandemics occurring and soon to occur in this modern age!

Look up pestilence in any Bible concordance and you will be amazed by the link
between the second, third and fourth horsemen representing war, famine and pestilence
(Jeremiah 21:9; 27:13; 29:17-18; 32:24; 34:17; 38:2; 42:16-17; 44:13).

These three horsemen derive their origin directly from the first horseman of religious deception,

The importance of the duality of Scripture cannot be emphasized enough.

Matthew 24 refers to:
1) a first typical fulfillment in a.d.?70;
2) a long-term condition prevailing from a.d.?70 until now; and
3) an end-time anti-typical fulfillment yet ahead.


Why did John not wright about the olivet promise as others did ?
Johns version of the Olivet prophecy, Revelation,chapter 6. first four seals

John’s vision, revealed by Jesus Christ and recorded for us today in Revelation 6:1-8,
differs only slightly from the Olivet prophecy in Matthew 24 and the other accounts.


Josephus describes in graphic detail the wars and resultant famine and plagues in Jerusalem
about a.d.?70, almost 40 years after the Olivet prophecy was first given.
(Josephus’s Wars of the Jews, which tells of thousands of Jews being impaled by the Romans.)

Yes, what Christ said in Matthew 24 indeed had a typical fulfillment in a.d.?70.
But John’s vision was recorded 20 years after the city’s fall and the temple’s destruction.

Nothing in it speaks of historical fulfillment or events occurring in John’s day.
Instead, it is referring to a future completion immediately ahead of us.

An End-Time Message ,Revelation is clearly a book for the end time.
Revelation 9:16 mentions a standing army of about 200 million men.

Even the context of Matthew 24 shows that the ultimate fulfillment of these prophecies
is still ahead. Verses 21-22 show that Christ’s message would apply at a time when
human annihilation was a very real threat.


“And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon
to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto
him a great sword” (Revelation 6:3-4).

Jesus Christ opens the second seal and John sees a red horse whose rider is given authority
to remove peace from the Earth. When peace is gone, there is only war. The man on the red horse
plainly represents war with its abominable effects. Verse 4 clearly interprets itself, but further proof
is given in Matthew 24:6-7 as we have read. Christ practically spells it out for us in His description
of the second horseman who represents “wars and rumors of wars.”


The first thing Christ prophesied about was a general condition of war that would extend from
His time on Earth until man’s misrule on Earth was finally over. “And ye shall hear of wars and
rumours of wars [plural].”

The very next thing He said after warning about this seemingly endless state of warfare was,
“See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”

These many wars comprise a general, not specific, condition of war. Christ admonished us not
to be too troubled. Throughout man’s miserable existence on Earth, there have been alternating
periods of war (of every description) and peace. Unfortunately, the periods of war have lasted
much longer than those fleeting times of peace.

The mood gets far more serious after the many wars of Matthew 24:6 are mentioned.
Verse 7 tells us that “nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.”


This indicates world war, where one large block of allied nations or countries would be directly
attacking another. It means much more than “wars and rumors of wars.”


The world has already survived two world wars, but neither can compare to the potential global
war spoken of in Matthew 24:22: “And except those days should be shortened, there should
no flesh be saved [alive].” The Moffatt translation adds the word alive. This refers to total war,
with the annihilation of all people as the outcome, barring divine intervention.

Never before has mankind had the potential to completely destroy itself—until now!

Religious deception—the first horseman—has conquered the Earth with Satan’s counterfeit
religion. Now we see war—the second horseman—as the tool religion has used down through
history to gain its satanic conquests.

Notice Revelation 12:7-9: “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their
place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,
and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast
out with him.” Satan is the great being symbolized by the rider of the blood-red horse.


The casting down of Satan leads to this intensified period of global wars and conflicts.

Satan is the same being who took peace from the Earth back in the Garden of Eden,
who later challenged Jesus Christ for rulership of the world, and who is today the
“prince of the power of the air” (Ephesians 2:2), and the god of this world (2?Corinthians 4:4).

He’s been responsible for the war-making which has gone on in every era of man’s history.
But now, with his reign almost over, Satan realizes his time is extremely short (Revelation 12:12).

By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the
brimstone, which issued out of their mouths” (Revelation 9:17-18).

We could speculate on the exact particulars of nuclear weapons and radiation fallout,
but the end result will be the same—one third of all humanity will die!


The Prophet Joel also paints a gruesome picture of our immediate future. (Joel 2:2-6)
“A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness.......
Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness” .


the Prophet Jeremiah exclaimed, “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it” (Jeremiah 30:7).


“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no,
nor ever shall be” (Matthew 24:21). We can take hope that this global insanity is not permitted to run
its course. “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved [alive]:
but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (verse 22).

The first horse, a white one, while being the least understood, is perhaps the most important
because it produces the most insidious destruction: universal religious deception.


The first and most deadly horseman is religious deception! The word conquer means
“to come off with the victory” that the largest organized religious “cult”on Earth today
waged the bloodiest battles ever, in the name of God.

This horseman has wreaked havoc on mankind with religious wars throughout history.

The deceived followers of the man on the white horse “go forth conquering and to conquer”
based on their erroneous belief that the white horseman is Jesus Christ. In fact, he is Satan
disguising himself as Christ (2?Corinthians 11:14). This leads directly into, and overlaps with,
the second horseman of the apocalypse: war!
 
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Locutus

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I thought that also, at first, that the 70 wks ended in 70 AD.

But then, after some discussions on CC, I have come to believe that the 70 wks ended in 37 AD when Israel rejected the kingdom and the gentiles entered in.

Jesus confirmed the covenant with Israel for 7 years, 1 week.

From the beginning of His ministry, the beginning of the 69th wk.,

Through His death, cut off in the middle of the week,

Then 3 1/2 years until Israel's final rejection of the gospel kingdom, and the gentiles enter.

So the 70 wks ended in 37 AD.

What do you think?
I think you maybe basing that on Paul's statement in Acts AB:

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

I feel that is somewhat arbitrary, and in 37 AD the fate of the city was still not accomplished or the people. The destruction of the city along with rejecting Jews during the war of 66-70AD was the final blow.
 

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I think you maybe basing that on Paul's statement in Acts AB:

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

I feel that is somewhat arbitrary, and in 37 AD the fate of the city was still not accomplished or the people. The destruction of the city along with rejecting Jews during the war of 66-70AD was the final blow.
I was basing it on the thought that the 69th wk began when Jesus began His ministry, he came at the beginning of the 69th wk.

Then was cut off in the middle of the week 33 AD,

and the 69th wk ended at the rejection of the covenant confirmed.

7 years from when Jesus began His ministry, until the kingdom is rejected, completes the last of the 69th wk.