The end of the world is coming. What should we be looking for?

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Jackson123

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Lk 24:1-9, 7





You are correct that there is no verse that says "the number 144000 means perfection."

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The thought is related to the measurements of the New Jerusalem in Rev 21:15-17.

Rev 21:27, The New Jerusalem is perfect, nothing that is imperfect, is allowed in the presence of God, to pollute the city or God.

The city is perfect, and the measurements of the city must also be perfect, to be in the presence of God.

Since 144,000, is the measurement of the perfect city of God, 144000, must be the number that is perfect or symbolic of perfection.
Luk 24 say Jesus resurrect in the 3rd days but not the saint.

the saint resurrect when Jesus die
 

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This tells me a lot, that you know very little about the Nation of Israel in the bible, or
you are just hostile towards that little [current man made nation] of Judahs decendents.

So you never heard of [the house of Judah] and [the house of Israel] ?
Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come
concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
Isaiah 17:7,Psalms 135:4,1 Chronicles 14:2,Isaiah 54:5,

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt
very treacherously against me, saith the Lord.

For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced
cities: but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow [the house of Israel]
and [the house of Judah] with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
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The sceptre shall not depart from Judah …” (Genesis 49:10).
But the birthright was Joseph’s” (1 Chronicles 5:2).
For truly, the name “Israel” was named on the sons of Joseph! (Genesis 48:16)
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Moses wrote all the terms of this covenant—this agreement making these ex-slaves
God’s nation—this agreement which also was a marriage covenant,
with the Eternal as Husband, binding the wife (Israel) to obey her Husband.

Then they Rejected God as King as their civil Ruler.(1 Samuel 8) there greatest sin. They
suffered under Saul. They began prospering under King David, and in Solomon’s reign they
reached a considerable state of prosperity. And Solomon’s prosperity turned him to idolatry.

When Solomon’s son Rehoboam became king, he threatened to put still heavier tax burdens
on the people. Thereupon the nation rejected Rehoboam and set up Jeroboam, of the tribe
of Ephraim, as king. This caused division and Judah thereupon seceded. They formed a new
nation—the kingdom of Judah. No longer did they have the national name “Israel.”

Here's a short Bible history on the matter:

1. After Solomon, God split Israel into two kingdoms, one in the south with its capital
at Jerusalem (known as "kingdom of Judah" and "house of Judah"), and the other
in the northern holy lands with its capital at Samaria (known as "kingdom of Israel"
and "house of Israel").

God gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be king over the ten tribe house of
Israel at Samaria. Solomon's son Rehoboam became king over the two tribe house
of Judah at Jerusalem. See 1 Kings 11 forward.

2. Jeroboam, king of ten tribe house of Israel setup golden calf worship in two cities in the north, to keep peoples in the north from going down to Jerusalem to worship. He made common priests of the people instead allowing the Levite priests to do their duties as God had setup. Because of this, small portions of the northern ten tribes went south and joined with Judah and Benjamin. The Levites in the north also went down to Jerusalem and joined with Judah and Benjamin.

3. The two kingdoms had war against each other.
And there was war between Rehoboam (king of Judah)
and Jeroboam (king of Israel) all their days. 1 Kings 14:30

4. Because of what Jeroboam had done with setting up idol worship over the ten tribes,
God rent the "kingdom of Israel" from him, bringing the kings of Assyria upon the ten tribes,
and removed them all out of the northern lands to Assyria in the north.

The Behistun Rock in modern day Iraq still stands as a record of the ten tribes
in captivity there, it's a huge carving of several plates upon a mountain side.
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The kingdom of Judah are the ones who became known as the Jews today. (2 Kings 17:18)
Jews are from Jacob (only one tribe)and there not called by the name (Isreal) in the bible .

the house or tribe of Judah” - Judah, or the Jews, Jerusalem as capital. The people of the
kingdom of Israel or [the house Israel], occupying the northern part of Palestine north of
Jerusalem, never were called Jews. In biblical prophecy, it is they—not the Jews—who are
called Israel!

recap of God’s Promises to Abrahams seed, or physical descendants.
¦Genesis 12:1-2 | God promises Abraham that his descendants will become a great nation.
¦Genesis 17:1-6 | God promises Abraham will be a father of many nations, not just one.
¦Genesis 22:16-18|the birthright nations will possess the gates (access points) of their enemies.
¦Genesis 26:3-5 | God promises the birthright nations will multiply as the stars of heaven.
¦Genesis 27:26-29 | the birthright nations will become wealthy and rule over other nations.
¦Genesis 28:13-14 | the birthright nations will spread worldwide.
¦Genesis 35:11 | the birthright nations will become “a nation and a company of nations.”
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In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel,
and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land
that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.[Jeremiah 3:18

Israel was established as a nation in 1948. This was a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.
The current nation in the middle east is not the northern tribes of the House of Israel.
But those living there, they are the decendents of Judah, making up the House of Judah.
The Jews are prophesied to lose Jerusalem and the rest of their land in the latter days.

They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation;
that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Do you know, or think, that Jerusalem is about to fall to Iran and the gentile nations?
 

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Luk 24 say Jesus resurrect in the 3rd days but not the saint.

the saint resurrect when Jesus die
Jn 20:17, When Jesus appeared to Mary after His resurrection, He told her not to touch him because He had not yet ascended to the Father.

It is assumed that He did as He said and ascended to the Father. There Jesus would receive all power in heaven and earth Matt 28:18.

Eph 4:8-10, 8. When Jesus ascended to the Father, after His resurrection, is when He brought the souls to heaven with Him.
 

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Jn 20:17, When Jesus appeared to Mary after His resurrection, He told her not to touch him because He had not yet ascended to the Father.

It is assumed that He did as He said and ascended to the Father. There Jesus would receive all power in heaven and earth Matt 28:18.

Eph 4:8-10, 8. When Jesus ascended to the Father, after His resurrection, is when He brought the souls to heaven with Him.
I am talking about when the saint raised to life. It is not when zjesus raised, It happen when Jesus die, yes they visit Jerusalem when Jesus raised, but they raised when Jesus die.

Matt 27
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
 

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I am talking about when the saint raised to life. It is not when zjesus raised, It happen when Jesus die, yes they visit Jerusalem when Jesus raised, but they raised when Jesus die.

Matt 27
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
Hi Jackson123,

What verses bring you to that answer?

It does say that they did not come "out of the tombs", until after the resurrection v 53.

So were they resurrected in the tombs for three days?

Maybe we have some different ideas about what a resurrection is.
 

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Friends,

I know that it is hard to go against what is popular, and what the majority believe.

It is animal instinct to run with the herd, there is thought to be safety in this.

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If you want to know the truth, then know this truth for sure,

The beast is Rome.

It is the iron legs/toes of the statue in Daniel 2.

It is the 4th beast of Daniel 7.

Rome is the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns, It cannot be any other.

The spirit of the beast is the dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns.

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Think about this,

Even the pre-trib's agree that the beast is Rome in some form.

For a while it was 10 nations reforming the old Roman Empire.

Now it is a planet earth division, but Rome still plays a part.

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It was revealed when Jerusalem was destroyed that Caesar is the Antichrist, the head of the iron Empire.

When the Roman Empire fell in 476 AD, the image of the Roman Empire remained, the RCC and the Bishop of Rome (BoR).

This is proven by the fact that the iron remains unbroken until the stone strikes, divided, but solid.

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When ever pre-trib says that the Antichrist has not been revealed yet, they are helping to hide him.

He is Caesar and the BoR, Vatican.
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When they say that the tribulation of Israel is yet to come, they deny all that Rome has done to Israel for the last 2000 years.

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The RCC claims to be the only one true kingdom/Church/Israel. (Antichrist kingdom)

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The BoR is called holy father. (Antichrist, Caesar worship)

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Friends, how plain can it be?

Who has been the iron legs/toes for the last 2000 yrs?

Who is the iron right NOW?

If you can accept this as truth, then you will begin to see the pieces fall in place.

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The False Prophet Rev 16, has one more lie/deception to speak.

It is the last sign given before the kings of the east (Iran) and the nations Magog come to the valley of Armageddon.

The sign is:

He deceives the kings of the east (Iran) into attacking Israel and restored Jerusalem.

The Vatican, somehow, causes Iran to make the final decision to attack Israel and Jerusalem.

(How can the Vatican, be the one, only, true Israel/Church/kingdom, if Israel exists as a nation? It would make the Vatican 2nd place to Israel, and perhaps nullify all claims to the title of Israel and church/kingdom.)

Has this happened yet? I don't know. It could have.

Will we know it when it happens? I don't know. But after it happens, Iran attacks Israel.

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I believe that this is one of the signs that the Bible gives to us.

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Believe this, Rome is the iron legs/toes.

Start with that one firm fact, and build on it.
 

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Hi Jackson123,

What verses bring you to that answer?

It does say that they did not come "out of the tombs", until after the resurrection v 53.

So were they resurrected in the tombs for three days?

Maybe we have some different ideas about what a resurrection is.
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

verse 50 -52 tell when Jesus cried with Lord voice, that is list what happen

1. Veil of the temple was rent

2. Earthquaqe

3. Grave were opened and many saint arose ( so the dead arose when Jesus cried, not when Jesus raise)

i think you confused between arose and come out of the grave

they arose when Jesus cried

they come out from the grave and go to the city after Jesus resurrect

arose and go to the city is 2 different word that has 2 different meaning
 
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the end of the world is coming............ what should we be looking for?

Jesus!
 

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50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

verse 50 -52 tell when Jesus cried with Lord voice, that is list what happen

1. Veil of the temple was rent

2. Earthquaqe

3. Grave were opened and many saint arose ( so the dead arose when Jesus cried, not when Jesus raise)

i think you confused between arose and come out of the grave

they arose when Jesus cried

they come out from the grave and go to the city after Jesus resurrect

arose and go to the city is 2 different word that has 2 different meaning

Eph 4:8-10, When Jesus died, He descended into the lower parts of the earth.

When He ascended (resurrected), from the lower parts of the earth, He brought the souls with Him at that time.

The souls did not ascend from the lower parts of the earth before Jesus did, because Jesus is the first fruits.

The souls ascended from the lower parts of the earth following Jesus.

They were not in the graves, they were in the lower parts of the earth with Jesus after His death.
 

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Look at the Middle East, 11/22/17.

Soon the USA will no longer have troops anywhere near Israel.

Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Russia, etc., all will not allow the U.S. or anybody to help Israel.

Think of what the situation will be in 6 months or a year from now.

Israel and Jerusalem will stand alone.

Will the E.U. risk a war with Russia and Iran over Israel? no.

Will the U.S. risk a war with Russia and Iran over Israel? no.

Who will save Israel and Jerusalem? no one.

The troops of Iran and it's allies will soon be standing in Jerusalem.

Then the end will come.

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Look at the Middle East, the truth is in front of you, don't turn away from the truth, face up to it.
 

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Eph 4:8-10, When Jesus died, He descended into the lower parts of the earth.

When He ascended (resurrected), from the lower parts of the earth, He brought the souls with Him at that time.

The souls did not ascend from the lower parts of the earth before Jesus did, because Jesus is the first fruits.

The souls ascended from the lower parts of the earth following Jesus.

They were not in the graves, they were in the lower parts of the earth with Jesus after His death.
how about matt 27, It say the grave were open when Jesus cried with the Lord voice
 

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how about matt 27, It say the grave were open when Jesus cried with the Lord voice
Try reading the passage in a different translation.

NIV, NAS, or some others, it's just the wording of the KJV, that makes it look that way.

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