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TashaB

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I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
 

Nehemiah6

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I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
Tell another man (husband, father, brother) and ask him to address this. He does not necessarily have to decipher the truth, but if that is what is required, then that is what should be done. Furthermore, if a preacher is preaching false doctrine or heresy, you have no obligation to continue listening to him either. Find a sound church and a sound preacher.
 

oldhermit

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The prohibition relates to the assembly of the Church.
 

trofimus

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I think that women are not to have a teaching or leading position over men.

That does not mean that you cannot correct any man in anything, if you know it better. For example if you can speak Russian and your husband not, of course you can correct his Russian. The verse is not about such things.

Just do it gently, we men are very sensitive beings :)
 
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TashaB

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I unfortunately have no family that are Christian so would it be wrong for me to tell another male Christian or a friend that has a Christian husband or would it be better to keep silent? I feel like going to another male may give the wrong idea to some therefore would be wrong?
 

TashaB

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I mean pertaining to doctrine not other things such as language :)
 

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I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
If a Christian is in error, it usually falls to another Christian to point out the error. Ideally, if a preacher is in error, the elders should deal with it. If just another "lay person" (that's another debate!), you may bring it up in a way that won't offend him. Given that you already seem to believe at face value the verse you quoted, perhaps you can simply question the one in error as to his understanding of biblical passages that speak to the issue.
 

Nehemiah6

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I unfortunately have no family that are Christian so would it be wrong for me to tell another male Christian or a friend that has a Christian husband or would it be better to keep silent? I feel like going to another male may give the wrong idea to some therefore would be wrong?
Since there should be more than one spiritual leader within any local church (pastors or elders) you can go to two or more of them at any time and discuss the matter regarding the one who is teaching false doctrine. That will avoid the possibility of impropriety and also get your issues resolved.
 

TashaB

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Thank you very much. That helps tremendously!
 
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I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
A woman can teach a man for Jesus instructed all the saints to preach the Gospel,and if a woman is a Christian should she be silent and not speak to a man that does not know the truth.

I believe that a woman can do everything a man can do,and God said He will pour His Spirit out upon all flesh,and both men and women shall prophesy.

But I believe that God gave the man authority to take the lead when the saints come together to worship God,and to hear the word of God,as pertains to the operation on earth.

But outside of that setting there is no difference between male,and female,and Jew and Gentile,and bond or free,for all are equal in the Lord.

A man and a woman are equal in the Lord,for there is no gender difference in heaven,for they put off the flesh,and the spirit goes back to God,and the soul is the same between them,and they will have a non gender glorified body.

I believe when the saints come together that the man should take the lead,and when he is done speaking,or having the floor,then all the saints add to the service.

So when the preacher has the floor,the women should be quiet for they are interrupting the service,for the preacher is taking the lead,but they must of had a problem in the Church with the women speaking,for men are to be quiet too,for they also cannot speak while he is taking the lead.

Maybe it is because if the women speak it is like they are trying to take the lead role of the service when they are not in that position.

But I would say that a woman can teach a man,but at Church service the man should take the lead,but after he is done with speaking,and what he wants to do,then both male and female can add to the service,because the Bible says when the saints gather together they all have something to add to the service,for the collection of them benefits them better than one person leading the Church service.

And outside of the Church service the women can teach the men,and I will even say that the women can teach the men preachers,as long as it is not in the setting of the Church service,for there are women that know more than men of the Bible.

And I say that because God said we need not that any person teach us,but the Spirit will teach us,and that the Spirit will guide us in to all truth,and show us things to come,and if we ask God for wisdom,He gives to all people liberally,nothing wavering,so a common pew sitter can know as much as the preacher,for God allows all the saints to know all knowledge the same.

That means many pew sitters might know more about the Bible then the preacher,so outside of the Church setting,a preacher might sit and learn from a women who knows more.

But the Church setting the man should take the lead,and when he is speaking then he has the floor,and should not be interrupted,which it says if they have a question they should ask their husband at home,which maybe they were interrupting the service by asking the preacher a question,or bothering their husband by asking him a question.
 

TashaB

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Can you show scripture to prove this? In the bible from what I know, it's ot says women cannot teach men because Eve was the one who believed the snake instead of God and convinced Adam.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Tim 2:13-14
 
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Can you show scripture to prove this? In the bible from what I know, it's ot says women cannot teach men because Eve was the one who believed the snake instead of God and convinced Adam.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Tim 2:13-14
Well this is not said outright in the bible but,Matt for Jesus,is talking about how things were set in a church in those days,Women were on one side men were on the other side of the sanctuary in church so if a woman was to ask their husband a question they would have to shout to them,which would interrupt a service,because neither were to leave their seats until a service was done,unless for a reason pertaining to the church,it's somewhat shown in the bible but not exactly,you have to sometimes think on how things were in those days to understand certain verses in the bible.
 
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Zmouth

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Can you show scripture to prove this? In the bible from what I know, it's ot says women cannot teach men because Eve was the one who believed the snake instead of God and convinced Adam.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Tim 2:13-14

Matt 19:4-5
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,


5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

WOMAN
 
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Tasha if a man comes before you and ask you about God....... the Holy Spirit will lead you as what to say with men or women....we are to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ and His salvation to all who ask...to be witnesses in the earth speaking Gods heart sharing His truth His word....love in Christ Sherril....:rolleyes:
 
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I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
When teaching, we're supposed to understand the subject matter and prepare a lesson.

When conversing, we're supposed to be honest.

All men aren't our authority. We choose our mantles, when we're old enough to choose, and God gives us Dad when we're young.
 

Dino246

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Can you show scripture to prove this? In the bible from what I know, it's ot says women cannot teach men because Eve was the one who believed the snake instead of God and convinced Adam.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1 Tim 2:13-14
Look at this objectively... does that reasoning make any sense to you? "No woman ever can teach any men, because one woman was deceived one time."

Scripture says clearly that Adam sinned. Why would God, Who is truly wise and righteous, give sinful man the right to teach?

I believe that Paul was writing to Timothy about dealing with some proto-Gnostic heretical teaching, for in that context, every part of the passage makes perfect sense. The heresy included the idea that Eve was formed first and had secret knowledge.
 

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I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
1 Ti 2:5-12
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
KJV

IMO verse 7 establishes a context of in the Assembly.

We find this restriction only in Paul's letters to Corinth, Ephesus, and Crete or to Timothy, who pastored in Ephesus, and Titus who pastored in Crete.

In Ephesus there was a major temple to Astarte, a fertility goddess. In Corinth and Crete there were major temples to Diana, the Roman name of the same goddess. In all three locations there were cult prostitutes involved in the worship of Astarte/Diana. Because the cult prostitutes were noted for speaking out in public, Christian women were told to conduct themselves modestly so as not to be associated with them.

I believe that verse 12 is concerned with the same issue.

If you believe you see a man walking in error, you would do well to discuss it with your pastor quietly and allow him to deal with it as he deems appropriate. If the man in question is someone you have a close relationship with, and you know he would receive it well, you could approach him directly. If you have any question about how he would receive correction from you, leave it in your pastor's hands.
 

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I know women are not to teach men but if a man is wrong in something pertaining to the bible what then should we do? Tell another man and let him decipher the truth of it before telling the man?

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:12
Notice the verse before exhorts women to wear modest apparel,
Revelation 2:20 is the context of this verse, and would be better translated as to dominate and seduce a man, and it's the man who is not to allow himself to be seduced and dominated by woman: men struggle with idolizing woman: "You suffer that woman Jezebel to teach and seduce my servant's to commit fornication and earth things sacrificed to idols" (to have another God).
There is mention of women prophesying in the church, and others serving the Lord with their husbands. The term quiet refers to quiet spirit, not drawing attention to themselves: not speaking our own word, when men do this it is wrong as well, Speaking or praying to draw attention to themselves. Ephesus, the Church Paul was addressing is the city who had the goddess Diana, and he was addressing this.
"In Christ there is no longer male nor female but a new creature."
 

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It seems like the first exhortation is in regards to women (plural) and their dress and beauty code in church, where Paul does not want glaming up to be their objective.

The second prohibition is in regards to a woman (and man) - singular - , so would pertain to marriage. Paul is saying that the husband should teach the wife, and not vice versa.

Fair dinkum really; then once you get to church, I suppose Mrs A could teach Mr B for sure, which is what we see with Priscilla and Aquilla. Priscilla was very senior in the Church, but she is part of a team, Priscilla and Aquilla.
 
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TashaB

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I've learned quite a bit from all these posts. Thank you very much for taking time to reply.