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Nehemiah6

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For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:14

Christians should note this verse, since the mark of being under grace is living righteously – “sin shall not have dominion over you”. However, there is a great deal of confusion and false doctrine among Christians today, some of whom actually believe that the Ten Commandments were set aside, and others who believe that since they are under grace they can do as they please (Antinomianism).

When Paul says “for ye are not under the Law” what he is telling us is that the Old Covenant does not apply to Christians. That is because the Lord Jesus Christ established the New Covenant through His death, burial, and resurrection. But Christ also established the Ten Commandments within the New Covenant by declaring the existence of the two Greatest Commandments (Matthew 22:36-40). These two commandments not only summed up the Ten Commandments, but they summed up the entire Old Testament:

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment [summing up the first four commandments]. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself [summing up the last six commandments]. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The apostles recognized this, so Paul called it the Law of Love (“love is the fulfilling of the Law") and James called it the Royal Law as well as the Law of Liberty. The apostle John, however, speaks of the commandments of Christ, the primary one being the commandment to love our brethren and also love others.

But when God promised the New Covenant, He also said that He would write His laws in our minds and in our hearts (Hebrews 8:6-13). Whether we call them the Ten Commandments, the Two Greatest Commandments, the Law of Love, the Royal Law, the Law of Liberty, or the commandments of Christ, it makes no difference. They all pertain to the moral and spiritual laws which are to be obeyed by the power of the Holy Spirit by all Christians. Only thus will sin not have dominion over you.

So what exactly did Paul mean (via Divine inspiration) when he said “ye are not under the Law”? Well the Law has 613 commandments, and the ones that do not apply to Christians pertain to the tabernacle (as well as the temple), the Levitical priesthood, the feasts, festivals, and holy days, the dietary laws, and some of the civil and criminal laws which applied strictly to Israel. But Paul’s epistle to Hebrews really focuses on the portion of the Old Covenant which was abolished through the death of Christ and the shedding of His blood for our redemption. In particular the constant animal sacrifices which were necessary to deal with sin. There were also various ceremonial observations which were necessary for Jews but are not necessary for the Church. However, there are still four commandments from the Law of Moses which apply to all Christians (Acts 15:28,29).

Now Paul says that sin shall not have dominion over you, which means that “the flesh” (the old Adamic sin nature) shall not control you. Why? Because we are supposed to be under the control or dominion of the Holy Spirit. We are not our own, we have been bought with a price. Therefore there must be some evidence that the Holy Spirit is in control: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (1 Cor 6:19).

But in spite of this reality, Christians can and do sin, and if we say we have no sin we make God a liar and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:10). In view of this the apostle John provides us with instructions on how to deal with sin in our lives (read the entire first epistle of John). The first epistle of John is not addressed to Gnostics (who are heretics) but to genuine children of God.
 

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The problem you are having here Nehemiah is not seeing that Christians who are conscience of being the righteousness of God IN Christ do not believe we can (as you are accusing) do as we please and go sin all we want. The thing is we don't want to sin. We know that sin brings death and we are no longer under the law of sin and death because Jesus has set us free from that old law and brought us under the new covenant of grace.

Romans 8:2-3 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh... God did sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh.

Jesus didn't die on the cross to make us be able to be "in the running" now and be better law keepers. NO. Jesus took over the job of making us righteousness and established us in HIS righteousness.

 

Nehemiah6

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The problem you are having here Nehemiah...

I am certainly not having any problem, but you definitely are. You have not even been able to understand what I posted, but have come up with something very confused.

Let's analyze this statement:
Jesus didn't die on the cross to make us be able to be "in the running" now and be better law keepers.

This shows that you have no clue about the basis of walking in the Spirit, which goes back to obedience to the Ten Commandments through the Law of Love. You have referred to imputed righteousness -- "His righteousness" -- (which is not even being discussed) instead of practical righteousness which is being discussed. Why don't you study the Bible instead of devoting your time to Joseph Prince?

 

joaniemarie

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The word "practical righteousness" is not found in the Bible. That is a man made term trying to describe righteousness. You think much more about JP than I do. Maybe you should take your own advice and devote more time to Bible study than to JP.

But I should apologize for even coming onto your thread. I was not remembering your hostility. I do try and am quite successful at forgetting unpleasant things. Had I remembered., I would certainly not have jumped in here. For that I do apologize and will not be coming onto your threads again.

And just in closing., there is only ONE kind of righteousness we have. That is the imputed righteousness of Christ. We have no other kind....practical or otherwise. The only kind that counts for real is the Jesus kind.
 
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Amberlight

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The word "practical righteousness" is not found in the Bible. That is a man made term trying to describe righteousness. You think much more about JP than I do. Maybe you should take your own advice and devote more time to Bible study than to JP.

But I should apologize for even coming onto your thread. I was not remembering your hostility. I do try and am quite successful at forgetting unpleasant things. Had I remembered., I would certainly not have jumped in here. For that I do apologize and will not be coming onto your threads again.
I have to say there is no such thing called "practical righteousness" :/
Maybe nehemiah misspoke ?
 

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For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:14

Christians should note this verse, since the mark of being under grace is living righteously – “sin shall not have dominion over you”. However, there is a great deal of confusion and false doctrine among Christians today, some of whom actually believe that the Ten Commandments were set aside, and others who believe that since they are under grace they can do as they please (Antinomianism).

When Paul says “for ye are not under the Law” what he is telling us is that the Old Covenant does not apply to Christians. That is because the Lord Jesus Christ established the New Covenant through His death, burial, and resurrection. But Christ also established the Ten Commandments within the New Covenant by declaring the existence of the two Greatest Commandments (Matthew 22:36-40). These two commandments not only summed up the Ten Commandments, but they summed up the entire Old Testament:

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment [summing up the first four commandments]. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself [summing up the last six commandments]. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The apostles recognized this, so Paul called it the Law of Love (“love is the fulfilling of the Law") and James called it the Royal Law as well as the Law of Liberty. The apostle John, however, speaks of the commandments of Christ, the primary one being the commandment to love our brethren and also love others.

But when God promised the New Covenant, He also said that He would write His laws in our minds and in our hearts (Hebrews 8:6-13). Whether we call them the Ten Commandments, the Two Greatest Commandments, the Law of Love, the Royal Law, the Law of Liberty, or the commandments of Christ, it makes no difference. They all pertain to the moral and spiritual laws which are to be obeyed by the power of the Holy Spirit by all Christians. Only thus will sin not have dominion over you.

So what exactly did Paul mean (via Divine inspiration) when he said “ye are not under the Law”? Well the Law has 613 commandments, and the ones that do not apply to Christians pertain to the tabernacle (as well as the temple), the Levitical priesthood, the feasts, festivals, and holy days, the dietary laws, and some of the civil and criminal laws which applied strictly to Israel. But Paul’s epistle to Hebrews really focuses on the portion of the Old Covenant which was abolished through the death of Christ and the shedding of His blood for our redemption. In particular the constant animal sacrifices which were necessary to deal with sin. There were also various ceremonial observations which were necessary for Jews but are not necessary for the Church. However, there are still four commandments from the Law of Moses which apply to all Christians (Acts 15:28,29).

Now Paul says that sin shall not have dominion over you, which means that “the flesh” (the old Adamic sin nature) shall not control you. Why? Because we are supposed to be under the control or dominion of the Holy Spirit. We are not our own, we have been bought with a price. Therefore there must be some evidence that the Holy Spirit is in control: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (1 Cor 6:19).

But in spite of this reality, Christians can and do sin, and if we say we have no sin we make God a liar and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:10). In view of this the apostle John provides us with instructions on how to deal with sin in our lives (read the entire first epistle of John). The first epistle of John is not addressed to Gnostics (who are heretics) but to genuine children of God.
Animal sacrifices were not nessesary to deal with sin. Not one sin was dealt with by the blood of animals- if that could happen God would not have His precious Son die a gruesome death. But it, like all other Old Testament laws, was nessesary because they represented New Testament laws.

God’s laws do not change, so how many were nailed to the cross? All of them, because God’s laws are no longer obeyed physically, they are now obeyed spiritually. So what was nailed to the cross was the physical way of obeying God’s laws- which was not real anyways, it was only a representation of what is real. “These were a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ.

God must be obeyed from the heart (spiritually). The old way was physical deeds lead to a spiritual heart, the new way is a spiritual heart leads you to physical deeds. If you are not obeying God, on purpose, then you need to go back to the drawing board, cause “If you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins.”
 

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Animal sacrifices were not nessesary to deal with sin. Not one sin was dealt with by the blood of animals- if that could happen God would not have His precious Son die a gruesome death. But it, like all other Old Testament laws, was nessesary because they represented New Testament laws.

God’s laws do not change, so how many were nailed to the cross? All of them, because God’s laws are no longer obeyed physically, they are now obeyed spiritually. So what was nailed to the cross was the physical way of obeying God’s laws- which was not real anyways, it was only a representation of what is real. “These were a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ.

God must be obeyed from the heart (spiritually). The old way was physical deeds lead to a spiritual heart, the new way is a spiritual heart leads you to physical deeds. If you are not obeying God, on purpose, then you need to go back to the drawing board, cause “If you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins.”
I think it is important to realize what willful sinning is.

"26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains"

In this case it talks of a person who has the knowledge of God and Gospel .

God has revealed his truth to the person and the person then chooses to.

"29How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?"

This is not mere lapse of faith or "bad moment" but a person who chooses to be adversary to God.
 
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Here we are again...

Really, did Jesus only die for the 10 commandments to become 2?!

No wonder people think His death on the Cross isn't that big of a deal.
 
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When Paul says “for ye are not under the Law” what he is telling us is that the Old Covenant does not apply to Christians. That is because the Lord Jesus Christ established the New Covenant through His death, burial, and resurrection. But Christ also established the Ten Commandments within the New Covenant by declaring the existence of the two Greatest Commandments (Matthew 22:36-40). These two commandments not only summed up the Ten Commandments, but they summed up the entire Old Testament:
Do you not see that these two things are THE SAME?

10 commandments, 9 commandments, 8 commandments, 2 commandments, 101 commandments.

How can you not see this when it is so obvious! Jesus died for FAR MORE than this.
 
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The problem of the world, not just today but which has always been, is not the number of commandments or the kind of commandments we're given.

It has always been and always will be, OUR INABILITY TO KEEP THESE.

Why do you think Jesus had to fulfil the law? Because NO ONE CAN.

I don't know if you know, but putting people BACK UNDER THE DO THIS AND DO THAT kind of living, is putting them in bondage.

I know you mean well because that's what you understand. But come on! Peoples' lives are at stake here. PEOPLE DIE of condemnation.

This is not just a matter of interpretation it's LIFE AND DEATH FOR PEOPLE.
 

BenFTW

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Why do I have to confess my sins for forgiveness when Jesus as my High Priest was the last and once and for all sacrifice for sin? Not only this, scripture says that He isn't like the priests of old having to often sacrifice for his sins and the people's sins, otherwise He would've suffered since the foundation of the world (since He, Himself, is that very sacrifice; Hebrews 9:25-28).

So, Jesus' blood isn't like the blood of bulls and goats, it actually takes away sin (Hebrews 10:4,10-14). The penalty is paid. There is no other means by which forgiveness of sin occurs, because the shedding of blood must occur in order for sins to experience remission (Hebrews 9:22). Jesus shed His blood for the remission of our sins. Hence, forgiveness for any and all present sin.

If our sin is not forgiven, not to be said without reverence, Christ would have to get back on the cross according to scripture, but as scripture also says, His blood isn't like that of the sacrificial animals and He is an eternal priest, our High Priest (not dying like previous priests and with an eternal priesthood in the order of Melchizedek). This means that He is able to save us completely because He lives forever interceding on our behalf (Hebrews 7:25).

There are points being made here, but also a question to consider. I understand repentance is still necessary in this life, especially in consideration of things pertaining to life. What we are going to experience, consequences and benefits, etc. Why under the New Covenant would a person seek out forgiveness from God through sin confession when in Christ and through Christ [as our High Priest] we have the forgiveness of sin, and our sins through the shedding of Christ's blood have experienced remission?

Why ask for what we already have? The NT clearly says to forgive others because God for Christ's sake has forgiven us (Ephesians 4:32). So, instead of glorifying the Advocate and our High Priest, who is the propitiation (the appeasement, if you will) for our sins, as 1 John 2 emphasizes to the "beloved" (that's you and me), why would we make the forgiveness of sin something we have to attain instead of a reality we walk in through Jesus Christ? Why seek forgiveness on an eternal scale through any other avenue than God's Son, in the New Covenant?
 

Nehemiah6

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I have to say there is no such thing called "practical righteousness" :/
Maybe nehemiah misspoke ?
Not really. The New Testament is full of exhortations towards practical righteousness -- what you do every day as a Christian.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
 

Nehemiah6

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Animal sacrifices were not nessesary to deal with sin. Not one sin was dealt with by the blood of animals
Clearly you have not studied the Old Testament, otherwise you would not make such a statement.

1 And the LORD called unto Moses, and spake unto him out of the tabernacle of the congregation, saying,

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Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man of you bring an offering unto the LORD, ye shall bring your offering of the cattle, even of the herd, and of the flock.


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If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.


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And he shall put his hand upon the head of the burnt offering; and it shall be accepted for him to make atonement for him. (Leviticus 1:1-4).

Are these the words of God?

Is this about burnt offerings?

Why was the offering to be a male and without blemish?

Why was the man required to put his hand on the head of the burnt offering?

Was the burnt offering acceptable to God "to make an atonement for him"?

Does the word "atonement" have any connection with sins?
 

Nehemiah6

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Here we are again...

Really, did Jesus only die for the 10 commandments to become 2?!

No wonder people think His death on the Cross isn't that big of a deal.
Christ died to pay the penalty for the sins of the whole world, and He shed His blood for the remission of sins, and to redeem sinners from the penalty, the power, and the presence of sin. That does not mean that He expected His redeemed ones to become Antinomians -- lawless ones. Kindly study the matter in depth.
 

Nehemiah6

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It has always been and always will be, OUR INABILITY TO KEEP THESE.
And that is why believers are given the gift of the Holy Spirit. It is by the power of the Spirit that Christians can live righteously, soberly, and godly in this present world.
Why do you think Jesus had to fulfil the law? Because NO ONE CAN.

Well, if no one can, then Paul would not have written this: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law...therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. So please study Romans 13.
I don't know if you know, but putting people BACK UNDER THE DO THIS AND DO THAT kind of living, is putting them in bondage.
If you believe that living righteously, soberly, and godly, and departing from iniquity are "bondage" the you should really spend some time studying and digesting these truths from Scripture.
 

Nehemiah6

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Why do I have to confess my sins for forgiveness when Jesus as my High Priest was the last and once and for all sacrifice for sin?
Yes Christ paid the penalty for all of your sins. When a sinner genuinely repents and turns to Christ for salvation, he or she is turning away from sins and idols and making Christ their Lord and Savior. But that does not automatically make you sinlessly perfect. There will be times when you will sin (knowingly or unknowingly) therefore you must not only confess your sins, but turn away from those sins (repent). You are to stop sinning after you are saved.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us...My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (1 John 1:8-2:1).
 
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Why do you think Jesus had to fulfil the law? Because NO ONE CAN.
No not this nonsense again. This is the reason why the church is dying yall, this teaching that nobody can ever do anything good, and even if they do all the pundits go up in arms "NOT OF WORKS NOT OF WORKS NOT OF WORKS, are you trying to earn your way to heaven??" As if Paul had discussed doing good in Ephesians 2:8 and not works of the law, rituals like circumcision.
Time to put it to rest:

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Looks like they were both righteous before God, and kept all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless, and they were considered righteous before Jesus was even born, let alone died and resurrected. Hmm..

Then after Jesus' death and resurrection we have Cornelius who was a devout man.


And how about 1 john 3:7 "...... let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. "

You said that putting people back under "do this and do that kind of living is putting people in bondage". If you truly feel that way you either cant read, or have a problem comprehending what you read. The new testament is FILLED with exhortations and commands on what to do, how to act and behave. Especially the parables and words of Jesus!

Listen, if yall dont wanna obey God, just be honest about it and dont come up with these phony excuses that men are unable to do what Jesus told em to do. Im not gonna blame God for not obeying Him today, i will blame myself for being a loser. It aint God's fault.
 
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For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:14

Christians should note this verse, since the mark of being under grace is living righteously – “sin shall not have dominion over you”. However, there is a great deal of confusion and false doctrine among Christians today, some of whom actually believe that the Ten Commandments were set aside, and others who believe that since they are under grace they can do as they please (Antinomianism).

When Paul says “for ye are not under the Law” what he is telling us is that the Old Covenant does not apply to Christians. That is because the Lord Jesus Christ established the New Covenant through His death, burial, and resurrection. But Christ also established the Ten Commandments within the New Covenant by declaring the existence of the two Greatest Commandments (Matthew 22:36-40). These two commandments not only summed up the Ten Commandments, but they summed up the entire Old Testament:

Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment [summing up the first four commandments]. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself [summing up the last six commandments]. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The apostles recognized this, so Paul called it the Law of Love (“love is the fulfilling of the Law") and James called it the Royal Law as well as the Law of Liberty. The apostle John, however, speaks of the commandments of Christ, the primary one being the commandment to love our brethren and also love others.

But when God promised the New Covenant, He also said that He would write His laws in our minds and in our hearts (Hebrews 8:6-13). Whether we call them the Ten Commandments, the Two Greatest Commandments, the Law of Love, the Royal Law, the Law of Liberty, or the commandments of Christ, it makes no difference. They all pertain to the moral and spiritual laws which are to be obeyed by the power of the Holy Spirit by all Christians. Only thus will sin not have dominion over you.

So what exactly did Paul mean (via Divine inspiration) when he said “ye are not under the Law”? Well the Law has 613 commandments, and the ones that do not apply to Christians pertain to the tabernacle (as well as the temple), the Levitical priesthood, the feasts, festivals, and holy days, the dietary laws, and some of the civil and criminal laws which applied strictly to Israel. But Paul’s epistle to Hebrews really focuses on the portion of the Old Covenant which was abolished through the death of Christ and the shedding of His blood for our redemption. In particular the constant animal sacrifices which were necessary to deal with sin. There were also various ceremonial observations which were necessary for Jews but are not necessary for the Church. However, there are still four commandments from the Law of Moses which apply to all Christians (Acts 15:28,29).

Now Paul says that sin shall not have dominion over you, which means that “the flesh” (the old Adamic sin nature) shall not control you. Why? Because we are supposed to be under the control or dominion of the Holy Spirit. We are not our own, we have been bought with a price. Therefore there must be some evidence that the Holy Spirit is in control: What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (1 Cor 6:19).

But in spite of this reality, Christians can and do sin, and if we say we have no sin we make God a liar and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:10). In view of this the apostle John provides us with instructions on how to deal with sin in our lives (read the entire first epistle of John). The first epistle of John is not addressed to Gnostics (who are heretics) but to genuine children of God.
Romans 13:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

In response to your 4 laws we have to adhere to Acts 15:28-29, particularly verse 17 which is bolded.


14 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. [SUP]2 [/SUP]One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. [SUP]3 [/SUP]The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. [SUP]6 [/SUP]He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; [SUP]8 [/SUP]for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall give praise to God.”

[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; [SUP]17 [/SUP]for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For he who in this way serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. [SUP]19 [/SUP]So then we pursue the things which make for peace and the building up of one another. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not tear down the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are clean, but they are evil for the man who eats and gives offense. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. [SUP]22 [/SUP]The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
 
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#19
I have to say there is no such thing called "practical righteousness" :/
Maybe nehemiah misspoke ?
There are 3 types of righteousness found in the Bible.

1) Self
2) imputed
3) practical
 
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Here we are again...

Really, did Jesus only die for the 10 commandments to become 2?!

No wonder people think His death on the Cross isn't that big of a deal.
The Law of spirit of life in Christ Jesus is the Law of Love, which Paul defines in Romans 13:8-10

Romans 13:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law

In other words Paul is saying since love does no wrong to a neighbor I have fulfilled the last 5 of the 10 commandments.

The first 5 commandments are how man relates to God and the second 5 are how man relates to man