Why is dispensationalism seen as a heresy?

[eternally-gratefull]

There are forms of dispensationalism, where people actually think people are saved different ways in different ages (i.e., Isreal has always been saved by law. And will return to law in the tribulation). And this is heresy. Yet is is also a very small portion of disposed who actually believe and preach this.

the problem is those who object to dispensationalism not think we all believe this. So they attack it and claim we are all heretics.

yet again, it's is based on what people are thought others believe, not what they actually do believe, as with many of the arguments and fights in the church throughout history.

 

[MarcR]

To clarify:

I do not consider all doctrinal error to be heretical.

As I see it heresy is only a doctrinal error of such a nature that it denies a truth that is essential to Salvation.

I refer to issues such as the Deity of Jesus, the humanity of Jesus, the pervasiveness of sin, etc.

 

[J7]

Did Jesus ever call the Pharisees or Saduccees by denominator?

 

[Locutus]

Pull us a pint J7...

 

[Issachar92]

One of the biggest things that separate dispensational teachers from others is how they view Israel and its future.

 

[Willie-T]

I get tickled at the way so many of us throw around the term "Heresy". When all it really means is anything at variance with Church tradition. And, there are enough different "Church Traditions" to choke a goat.

 

[Locutus]

That's true Willie everybody here is a heretic:

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G139 hairesis hah'-ee-res-is

from G138;

properly, a choice, i.e. (specially) a party or (abstractly) disunion.


KJV: heresy (which is the Greek word itself), sect.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There are forms of dispensationalism, where people actually think people are saved different ways in different ages...

Yes, there are several kinds of Dispensationalists, including Ultra-Dispensationalists (also called Hyper-Dispensationalists. And some have improperly suggested that there are different plans of salvation. However, the majority of Dispensationalists do not believe this.

Hyper-dispensationalism (or sometimes ultra-dispensationalism), as opposed to traditional (or classic) Dispensationalism, views the start of the Christian church as beginning with the ministry of the Apostle Paul after the early part of the book of Acts. Although variations exist in specifics, all hyper-dispensationalists view the four Gospels and many of New Testament Epistles as applying to the pre-Pauline Jewish-Christian church or to the future Davidic Kingdom; not directly applicable to the predominantly Gentile Church of today.

 

[Issachar92]

Yes, there are several kinds of Dispensationalists, including Ultra-Dispensationalists (also called Hyper-Dispensationalists. And some have improperly suggested that there are different plans of salvation. However, the majority of Dispensationalists do not believe this.

Hyper-dispensationalism (or sometimes ultra-dispensationalism), as opposed to traditional (or classic) Dispensationalism, views the start of the Christian church as beginning with the ministry of the Apostle Paul after the early part of the book of Acts. Although variations exist in specifics, all hyper-dispensationalists view the four Gospels and many of New Testament Epistles as applying to the pre-Pauline Jewish-Christian church or to the future Davidic Kingdom; not directly applicable to the predominantly Gentile Church of today.

Thanks bro. This is what i was talking about earlier. I dont believe this nonsense.

I believe you was saved by faith always. I also believe the church was founded in acts 2 at pentecost and that the words of Jesus do apply to christians jew and gentile alike, not just israel.

Based on that Bro Nehemiah can ya categorize me into one of them groups if there is any that agrees with my views above?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Based on that Bro Nehemiah can ya categorize me into one of them groups if there is any that agrees with my views above?

You are a classical, traditional Dispensationalist, and so am I.

But just like any other Christian group there will always be a lunatic fringe, and we don't need to get involved with them.

No Christian who believes that the Bible is indeed the Word of God can deny:

(1) that God's dealings with mankind changed from time to time, and that we are presently in the Age of Grace (the Church Age)

(2) that the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants have yet to be fulfilled in their totality.

(3) That there is indeed a "dispensation of the fulness of times" which refers to the establishment of the Kingdom of God throughout the universe in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

 

[Issachar92]

You are a classical, traditional Dispensationalist, and so am I.

But just like any other Christian group there will always be a lunatic fringe, and we don't need to get involved with them.

No Christian who believes that the Bible is indeed the Word of God can deny:

(1) that God's dealings with mankind changed from time to time, and that we are presently in the Age of Grace (the Church Age)

(2) that the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants have yet to be fulfilled in their totality.

(3) That there is indeed a "dispensation of the fulness of times" which refers to the establishment of the Kingdom of God throughout the universe in the New Heavens and the New Earth.

Amen to that bro.

To all the replacement theology folks out there, good luck trying to evangelize in the Holy Land, aint no Jew in his right mind gonna listen to ya. You expect us to believe that the eternal promises made to Israel are down the drain?

 

[John146]

i wouldn't say heresy.

i mean, dispensationalists are wrong (lol), but they're my brothers and sisters in Christ.

c'mon, now, let's save the 'heresy' word for the topics that really need it.

You're a dispensationalist because if not, you'd be building your ark, sacrificing animals, escaping the mark of the beast, etc...but you have the understanding that God's commands are given throughout the Bible to various individuals and groups of people in that particular time period. That's dispensations.

 

[John146]

There are forms of dispensationalism, where people actually think people are saved different ways in different ages (i.e., Isreal has always been saved by law. And will return to law in the tribulation). And this is heresy. Yet is is also a very small portion of disposed who actually believe and preach this.

the problem is those who object to dispensationalism not think we all believe this. So they attack it and claim we are all heretics.

yet again, it's is based on what people are thought others believe, not what they actually do believe, as with many of the arguments and fights in the church throughout history.

I think you're mistaken with your view of dispensations. Any dispensationalist I know believes in the shed blood of Jesus Christ only for the forgiveness of sins. How His blood is applied may vary.

 

[notuptome]

The short answer is ignorance and a need to justify one's own less that biblically sound doctrine.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Locutus]

There is no such thing as replacement theology - it's a made up invention of dispensationalists (all of the different stripes) - the church never replaced Israel, it IS Israel, all 12 tribes were gathered into Christ, Gentiles added in with them in the 1st century AD.

The only reason the church of Christ looks Gentile is because the 12 tribes only represented one nation among the many nations to embrace the gospel.

For a refutation of this so-called replacement garbage spread by dispensationalists see my threads:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/158062-reverse-charges.html

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...eology-reformed-not-replacement-theology.html

 

[Laish]

Regarding the sheer "frequency" at which dispensationalism is viewed as heresy... I think it's simply because reformed theology has had a significant resurgence in the last decade or two, and reformed theology is inherently antithetical to dispensationalism.

In a nutshell, it simply isn't as popular as it once was.

Popularity can account for the "frequency" of a thing's love or malignment, but that alone has nothing to do with it's veracity... that's an entirely separate issue.

I will agree that Reformed theology has made a resurgence lately. I don’t think it is the cause of the growing negative view of Dispensationalism. I do believe they are related. This is just my opinion here that I have formed from talking to new members of our congregation. Many have Walked away from Dispensationalism due to things like others here pointed out as “ ultra-Dispensationalism “or it’s inconsistent interpretation by many different pastors. Also their is the tendency by some not all to set dates or look at the coming eclipse or blood moons and say this is it folks get ready. Then nothing nada . That too has led to a increase of the poor opinion of Dispensationalism an a growth in Reformed congregations .
Blessings
Bill

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you're mistaken with your view of dispensations. Any dispensationalist I know believes in the shed blood of Jesus Christ only for the forgiveness of sins. How His blood is applied may vary.

Kind of hard to. Be mistaken, when I have read people who preach this, and the church I grew up in (baptist) taught this.

Because of that reason, I used to believe it myself.

 

[Off123123123]

On the internet every doctrine is a heresy in someone's camp.

 

[J7]

The problem is that a Jew in his right mind will accept Christ, and conjoin himself to the Church, aka Israel.

A Jew out of his mind rejects these things.

I am very happy to be in the reunited House Of Israel

Amen to that bro.

To all the replacement theology folks out there, good luck trying to evangelize in the Holy Land, aint no Jew in his right mind gonna listen to ya. You expect us to believe that the eternal promises made to Israel are down the drain?

 

[Johnny_B]

The word heretic and heresy is tossed around quite a bit, like Willie-T mentioned or some what like what he said. Also calling doctrines we disagree with doctrines of demons gets its share of being tossed around as well. Calvinism and/or Reformed doctrine get tagged with this quite a bit. I have done it myself before I came to understand the Doctrines of Grace.