Sin Confession: A Waste of Breath?

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7seasrekeyed

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I agree. It does change people's thinking from faith to delusion. It's a change christians can't afford to do, because it separates them from God, making them rebel against Him. I only wished they could see that.
eventually, the false interpretation no longer works and it's like shaking the salt shaker long after the salt has been used

Jesus said that if He is raised up, He will draw all men to Him

that is a literal and physical truth (the cross) and a spiritual absolute

yet these people want to deny Him and say no no...forget the prayer He taught or Jesus is OT

it's an incredible delusion

but I think I may be on to something when I say that perhaps some have had such bad teaching or understanding that now they have done a 180 but not in repentance but in disobedience as in 'no one is going to tell me what to do' while not understanding they are being told what to do all day long

there is no freedom without seeing the 'systems' in place that the Bible speaks of and understanding that Christianity is being and has been seduced
 
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Relational forgiveness is key to abiding in Christ.
So then does does the vine discard the branch if it does not ask for forgiveness?

I ask this since you have made it part and parcel of abiding in Christ.

Relational forgiveness is key to abiding in Christ.

I would rather say a quick and heart felt, Lord, forgive me for: using profanity, thinking that bad thought about that person, the little lie I said, not putting you first in all things. Than not ask forgiveness and let it sear my conscience.

I honestly have to say this. I have no idea how some of you can say you never ask the Lord forgiveness for SIN you do in the now and present. This is how relationship and abiding become one sided and not becoming one with him as he desires.

I am hopeful my Pastor engages in relational forgiveness before he teaches and preaches. I would not want to hear from a preacher or teacher who feels like Jesus did it all to the point he avoids asking forgiveness because it is viewed as a work to maintain salvation.
 

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I must admit, you make a wise argument, one hard to counter considering that only Jesus can save.
But, nobody is saying confession saves, are they?
I don't think it prudent to downplay confession as if it's no longer important. Paul taught about it to the church, as well as repentance. Jesus Himself taught a great deal about forgiveness, so we know that's important. Seeking forgiveness involves conviction, confession, and repentance. They can't be separated. Yet I keep reading post after post about how conviction, confession, and repentance are done away with by Jesus himself.
How can we argue about it when compared to Jesus?

This is a comparison scripture only.
Mat 12:26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
Jesus makes it plain that Satan's kingdom can't stand if he is divided against himself.
Think about this... if Satan causes division by dividing the word against itself in the minds of the hearers, How can those christians stand?
I believe Satan is mocking what Jesus said and using the word against the word to destroy faith in the Body of Christ.
Faith comes by hearing the word of God. Doing away with that word little by little also does away with our faith.
Sin confession is not being downplayed. Sin confession for forgiveness is, and that is a huge difference. Maybe when making these threads I should emphasize repentance and turning from sin, so it doesn't get into people's heads that sin is okay. I can handle that critique, I get it. My point with this thread is not to remove from people their transparency before the Lord (a silly endeavor, He sees all). It is to give people peace in their heart knowing that they can go before God without condemnation knowing that their sin is already forgiven because of the shed blood of Jesus, and for this reason, they may come before God asking for strength, mercy, and grace.

There is nothing wrong with saying, "Lord, I'm sorry. I did it again. Please give me strength to resist, to walk in your holy and righteous ways." My point is that we are forgiven so by all means speak to the Lord about those things of which you feel bound and let the truth of His word inform you of such deception, that it shouldn't have a hold. That you are set free, a new creation and dead to sin and alive unto God. Another thing, that we can approach the throne of grace in time of need because while we may feel weak to resist temptation God's grace and mercy shall sustain us.

This topic is to come to the full realization of what Christ accomplished on our behalf. Reconciliation to the Father, who does not condemn us but loves us.
 
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but yet we shall leave out what Jesus taught

you can't make this stuff up
 
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read Revelation

God kind of forgets the daddy part through much of that book...not to mention all the warnings to the churches

yeah I don't think you are sitting on God's lap considering He is not flesh and blood

that is more nonsense from hyper charismatics

supply a verse or two that states you are sitting on God's lap

and by the way, the actual meaning of 'abba' would be an intimate term for Father, and as God IS now our Father that is so; sadly, some seem to think that to mean that they have nothing else to consider

which makes many books in the Bible obsolete it would seem

and yet Jesus will say to some 'I never knew you'

and right now, those same people that He will say that to, are thinking they are good to go because no warnings apply to them
You will not find any verses on seeking his hand or seeking and sitting in his lap, which is what the majority of NAR, WOF false teachers say to do.

You will find verses like this though:

1 Chronicles 16:1
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Seek the Lord and His strength;
Seek His face continually.


Psalm 27:8

[SUP]8 [/SUP]When You said, “Seek My face,” my heart said to You,
“Your face, O Lord, I shall seek.”

If you do not seek his face you cannot hear him speak to you.

Oh the preaching I could do right now!!!!
 
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Whenever someone points us to Jesus while separating us from the word of God, they're pointing to the wrong Jesus.
Rom. 1:24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
Psalm 119:89 Forever, O LORD, your word is firmly fixed in the heavens.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of our God will stand forever.
1 Peter 1:24for“All flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls, 25but the word of the Lord remains forever.”
And this word is the good news that was preached to you.
 

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but yet we shall leave out what Jesus taught

you can't make this stuff up
Who is leaving out what Jesus taught? Have you cut out your eye or chopped off your hand yet? I believe Jesus said to do this so that you would enter Heaven an amputee rather than Hell whole. Or do you understand that there are spiritual principles and points being made here? God requires perfection, and that we are not, outside of Christ. Jesus said things that pertained to whom He was addressing, and He preached the old covenant to a people under it, to the ninth degree so that they would completely understand their reliance upon Him as Messiah.

You wish to speak of leaving out what Jesus taught? He is the Word and so look through the scriptures and see that we are forgiven. It is not something we seek once in Christ, for that forgiveness He has attained for us through His bloodshed. The remission of our sins. I am not cherry picking, I am rightly dividing the word of God.
 

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I'm wondering how many more scriptures we'll need to rip out of our bible. The Lord's prayer is out and now we don't need 1 John 1:9. Actually some have said the the teachings of Jesus are not for us today.

How about James 4:1-10? Shall we all tear this one out of our bible as well?

What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.
 
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Well said sister.

The reason the new gospel is so popular is that repentance is usually removed. We dont like to repent. :D
Heck from being on here 6 days I am seeing that they do not like to repent, or exercise perosnal faith, trust and belief.

Jesus' perosnal faith saves me, Fathers personal believing keeps me saved. Anything else is a work for salvation false doctrine.

God help us!
 
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maybe go back and read your post on the Lord's prayer

I don't agree about you rightly dividing the word of God

and vice versa apparently

for that matter, this post addressed to me expresses how you view what Jesus taught

Jesus said things that pertained to whom He was addressing, and He preached the old covenant to a people under it, to the ninth degree so that they would completely understand their reliance upon Him as Messiah.
again, there are considerably more than 2 covenants and stating Jesus was teaching the old covenant reveals EXACTLY that what I said is true

you are not the first person here to state this. been going on a while now and I think most people here do NOT agree with this 'revelation'
it's an undermining of the truth...not rightly dividing
 
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There is nothing wrong with saying, "Lord, I'm sorry. I did it again. Please give me strength to resist, to walk in your holy and righteous ways."
There is when it's taught it's no longer doctrinally necessary. Jesus never taught that.
 
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What is repentance?

The word is metanoia

Properly translated it means to change one's mind

How many times are we to change our minds? Scripture teaches for salvation it is once. :)
So how does this work post salvation? Is repentance from porn addiction after you are saved instant or does it take time?
 

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I'm wondering how many more scriptures we'll need to rip out of our bible. The Lord's prayer is out and now we don't need 1 John 1:9. Actually some have said the the teachings of Jesus are not for us today.

How about James 4:1-10? Shall we all tear this one out of our bible as well?

What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.
Sinners and double-minded, there are two groups being spoken of here. These statements are not both directed to the saints. Look into it. See the context of the statement and what was going on to whom he is addressing.
 
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While that word literally means a change of mind, spiritually it means a lot more. It means a total turnaround in your life -- a TURNING AWAY FROM sins and idols, and TURNING TO God and Christ, with godly sorrow for sins committed, and a genuine desire to renounce the world, the flesh, and the devil. For an example of repentance study the conversion of Saul the persecutor to Paul the apostle. For those who practiced occultism, ti meant burning all their occult artifacts and books, no matter how expensive. Study the book of Acts.

Now you have referred to repentance for salvation, which is COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC. So after salvation, you must repent as often as necessary while confessing your present sins. Why has this become such a stumbling block? Unless Antinomianism was being promoted in many churches, Christians would all agree that this is Bible truth,
Quite correct.

It means to change direction.
 

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It seems the most startling thing for many older Christians is when they begin to hear about true righteousness in Christ. Finding out for maybe the first time where righteousness really comes and that "resting" in that is the requirement.

It can be a startling AND shocking freedom from fear that doesn't seem quite true. We are not used to this when it comes to God. We have been taught otherwise. Many of us have not been taught how to be confident in Christ.

When a Christian has lived their whole life sad and maybe even fearful of missing the mark and never really believing they are pleasing to God because of it ., THAT is works of the flesh. Doubt about God., and some fear and guilt thrown in makes for a very sorry joyless Christian and Christian life.

But not so with the Spirit. The Spirit is life and health and peace. But the enemy is ever ready to steal the joy of our salvation and the confidence in that salvation and mostly cast doubt on the love God gave In and by His Son. Romans 8:6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now the mind of the flesh [which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit] is death [death that [SUP][a][/SUP]comprises all the miseries arising from sin, both here and hereafter]. But the mind of the [Holy] Spirit is life and [soul] peace [both now and forever].

 
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Grace Revolution Or Sin Revolution

Hebrews 6:4-6 – “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened (refers to those who have accepted the Light of the gospel, which means accepting Christ and His great sacrifice), and have tasted of the heavenly gift (pertains to Christ and what He did at the Cross), and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit (which takes place when a person comes to Christ), 5 And have tasted the good Word of God (is not language that is used of an impenitent sinner, as some claim; the unsaved have no relish whatsoever for the truth of God, and see no beauty in it), and the powers of the world to come (refers to the work of the Holy Spirit within hearts and lives, which the unsaved cannot have or know), 6 If they shall fall away (should have been translated, ‘and having fallen away’), to renew them again unto repentance (‘again’ states they had once repented, but have now turned their backs on Christ); seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh (means they no longer believe what Christ did at the Cross, actually concluding Him to be an imposter; the only way any person can truly repent is to place his faith in Christ and the Cross; if that is denied, there is no repentance), and put Him to an open shame (means to hold Christ up to public ridicule; Paul wrote this epistle because some Christian Jews were going back into Judaism, or seriously contemplating doing so).”

Every Christian can testify about how they came to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour. They remember feeling the powerful conviction of the Holy Spirit. They remember repenting and asking the Lord to forgive them and how, afterward, feeling the relief and joy of restored fellowship with Him.

Most Christians realize that this is the same way the Lord deals with Christians when they sin: the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin and, out of a repentant heart, we confess that sin to the Lord, receive His forgiveness, and resume our fellowship and walk with the Lord.

A FALSE TEACHING

Unfortunately, there is a teaching that is becoming quite dominant in this country and elsewhere. It’s referred to as the Grace Revolution, but in reality, it is an evolution away from the true grace of God.

In essence, this hyper-grace doctrine claims that the Cross of Christ addressed all sin, past, present, and future, which is exactly correct. Most definitely, the Cross did do this. But then it states that when a Christian sins, due to the fact that all future sins have been atoned as well, the believer does not have to confess his sin, or ask forgiveness, or even mention it at all. In other words, just go on as if though nothing has ever happened. Plain and simple this is error. And as all error does, sooner or later it will cause the believer terrible problems. In fact, some will even lose their souls.

The foundation of this false doctrine claims that I John 1:9 is speaking to sinners only and not saints, and that Christians do not - and should not - confess their sins to the Lord.

KNOWN SIN UNCONFESSED IS SIN UNFORGIVEN

In the Expositor’s Study Bible, I John 1:9 says:

If we confess our sins (pertains to acts of sin, whatever they might be; the sinner is to believe [Jn. 3:16]; the saint is to confess), He (the Lord) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins (God will always be true to His own nature and promises, keeping faith with Himself and with man), and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (‘All,’ not some. All sin was remitted, paid for, and put away on the basis of the satisfaction offered for the demands of God’s holy law, which sinners broke, when the Lord Jesus died on the Cross.)

As my husband put so well in these expository notes, “the sinner is to believe; the saint is to confess.” So my question is this: are there really born-again believers who think that they no longer have to confess their sins to the Lord?

OPPOSED TO THE FALSE DOCTRINE, NOT THE PEOPLE TEACHING IT

Rather than name the false teachers of this hyper-grace doctrine and list their gross error regarding unconfessed sin, I want to quote instead from the commentary my husband wrote concerning I John 1:9 as I think it will be a great benefit to you.

He writes:

“The phrase, ‘If we confess our sins,’ pertains to acts of sin, whatever they might be. No Christian has to sin; however, the sad truth is, every single Christian does, at times, sin.

‘Confess’ in the Greek is homologeo, and means ‘to say the same thing as another,’ or, ‘to agree with another.’ Confession of sin on the part of the saint means, therefore, to say the same thing that God does about that sin, to agree with God as to all the implication of that sin as it relates to the Christian who commits it and to a Holy God against whom it is committed (Wuest).

All of this includes the saint’s hatred of that sin, his sense of guilt because of it, his contrition because of it, the determination to put it out of his life, which can be done only by understanding that all victory is in the Cross, and that our faith must ever be in that finished work. In fact, the very reason that we sin is because we get our eyes off of the Cross (Lk. 9:23-24) and onto other things.

The English word confess means ‘to admit the truth of an accusation, to own up to the fact that one is guilty of having committed the sin.’ But the Greek word means far more than that, as we have addressed above. The Greek word teaches that the constant attitude of the saint towards sin should be one of a contrite heart, ever eager to have the Holy Spirit to point out all wrong, and to put it out of the life by the power of that same Holy Spirit.

To whom are we to confess our sins?

We are to confess them to the One who is going to forgive us, namely the Lord. Also, if we have harmed someone else, we should confess our wrong to that person as well.

In fact, the very moment that we do something wrong, the Holy Spirit without fail, will convict us (Jn. 16:8). At that moment we should confess our sin to the Lord, whatever it might be, and wherever we might be. This is a matter of the heart, so it does not need ceremony of any kind.

But what if the Christian does not confess his sin? Failing to confess his sin to God means that the Lord at the same time, cannot forgive such a sin, which leaves the believer in a precarious situation. Forgiveness by God, in the context of which the Holy Spirit here speaks, is not automatic. It requires confession of our sin to Him and for many and varied reasons.

The believer is to never take sin lightly. In fact, there is really nothing anyone can do to make amends for sin. All we can do is to acknowledge our guilt and turn to God for forgiveness. As well, there is really nothing we can do to make up for the hurt we cause others, other than mutually extending and accepting forgiveness. However, if we have harmed someone else in any way, and refuse to confess our wrongdoing to that person, John plainly says that such a person ‘walks in darkness’ (I Jn. 2:11). Jesus said, ‘Therefore your sin remaineth’ (Jn. 9:41).

Any Christian who sins, and refuses to confess that sin to the Lord, or sins against a brother or sister and refuses to confess the wrongdoing to the individual, asking forgiveness, is in serious spiritual trouble indeed! If that person continues on in such a state, it is impossible but that spiritual deterioration must be the case. As it regards the salvation of such a person, I’ll have to leave that to the Lord; however, it should be well understood that we are speaking here of very serious things.”

I think this commentary makes it perfectly clear that I John 1:9 is speaking about believers and not sinners, as this hyper-grace teaching claims. Another claim of this false doctrine - and perhaps even most dangerous to the believer - is this: that the Holy Spirit does not convict believers when they sin.

As my husband pointed out on his program, The Message of the Cross, if sin is present in a Christian’s heart, the Holy Spirit will absolutely convict that believer:

“Whenever you do something wrong, and it’s obvious that it’s wrong, you feel it in your spirit. You sense it. The Holy Spirit is grieved. The Holy Spirit convicts you of that thing you did wrong.

A child of God is not saved in sin, he’s saved from sin. And while sin may be something that happens once in a while, it is not a constant occurrence in the heart and life of the believer. If there is something wrong, the Holy Spirit convicts you, where you are.

When Simon Peter denied the Lord, and Jesus came by and looked at him; Peter went out and wept bitterly - that was the Holy Spirit convicting Peter of what he had done.”

My husband and I feel so strongly about the dangers surrounding this false doctrine, that we’ve been using every opportunity to warn Christians who may have gotten tangled up in this wrong teaching. That’s why we’ve been discussing it on our SBN programs, The Message of the Cross and Frances & Friends. My husband also addressed this error of unconfessed sin in his newest book, Elijah, which will be available to you very soon. I don’t think he would mind me giving you a short preview of his book in following excerpt since it fits so well here:

“REPENTANCE

Repentance is admitting the wrong, condemning oneself and totally justifying God. It is completely turning around from the erroneous direction that one has been traveling.

Repentance is seldom engaged by the church, simply because it is an ugly business. One has to admit wrongdoing. It seems that only the most destitute can do so.

Actually, at this particular time repentance is such a rarity in the modern church that the church really does not even know what to do with one who repents. Due to a plethora of man-made rules, repentance toward God is not even recognized, only repentance toward man. God will not accept repentance toward man simply because it is God who has been offended by our sin. There is not a single Christian denomination in America and Canada, at least of which I am aware, that will accept repentance toward God. Every single one, again, of which I am aware, completely ignores the Word of God, makes up its own rules, which by and large deny repentance. Repentance is always toward God and never toward man. While it certainly may be true that repentance toward God may include the asking of forgiveness of man, still, all sin is in its conception directed toward God.

TRUTH AND ERROR

One of Satan’s chiefest ploys is to mix some truth in with error. The truth serves as bait, with the believer then thinking that all that is said must be correct. So the fact that error contains some truth doesn’t make it acceptable at all. So the believer has to listen very carefully to what he is hearing. And to be sure, the idea that a Christian doesn’t need to confess his sin to the Lord whenever sin is committed, is facetious indeed!

ALL SIN IS AGAINST GOD

The believer must understand the truth of our heading, in that all sin is ultimately against God. Considering that when we sin we have offended Him, means that we have to ask forgiveness for that sin.

WHAT HAPPENS TO A CHRISTIAN WHO BELIEVES THIS LIE?

What you’re asking concerns the believer who believes this error, never asks forgiveness for anything that he’s done that’s wrong, and what will be the results?

God is patient, loving and kind. He doesn’t throw us over when we make a mistake, or when we do something foolish. He seeks to bring us back to the fold. However, when one fails the Lord in any capacity, even in the act of refusing to confess our sin to Him, relationship is somewhat hindered. It cannot be otherwise. God is the judge, however, if the believer continues on that erroneous path, there will come a time that the wrong direction will reap it’s results, and it won’t be pretty.”

Ladies and gentlemen, this false doctrine is by no means a revolution of grace but, more accurately, a revolution sin. My husband and I believe that this is one of Satan’s biggest efforts to hinder the Message of the Cross — the true message of grace. The response we are receiving on this subject from our SBN audience indicate that many Christians are migrating toward this false doctrine. As a Christian, if you find yourself struggling with this deception, I would encourage you to go to the Lord in prayer and sincerely ask Him to help you discern what is right and what is wrong. Ask Him for His leading, His help, and His guidance because the most important thing in the world is to be right with Him. I believe the Lord will answer that prayer and lead you to correct doctrine, the correct teaching, and the correct way.

5:19-20 - “19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth (James is speaking here of believers, and of them straying from the truth of the Cross), and one convert him (refers to strengthening the individual, turning him back to the right way of truth, which is back to Christ and the Cross);

20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way (bluntly proclaims any way other than the Cross as the 'way of sin,' which then makes the one traveling such a way 'a sinner') shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (This refers to the fact that if the believer leaves the Cross, thereby transferring his faith to something else, and such an erring way is continued, it will result in the loss of the soul. To pull one back to the Cross saves that soul, which the Cross alone can do!)


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There is when it's taught it's no longer doctrinally necessary. Jesus never taught that.
Let me correct your understanding of what I am saying, if you don't mind. Necessary for forgiveness, for forgiveness. I am not my own savior through the method of sin confession, I am saved by Jesus Christ who died on the cross for my sins and resurrected on the third day unto my justification. I don't confess my sins or forgive others to obtain forgiveness, that makes salvation (my forgiveness) dependent upon me instead of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It steals from Him, it doesn't accredit to Jesus that which He has purchased on my behalf. My forgiveness is by and through Christ, not a work of my own.
 

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I'm wondering how many more scriptures we'll need to rip out of our bible. The Lord's prayer is out and now we don't need 1 John 1:9. Actually some have said the the teachings of Jesus are not for us today.

How about James 4:1-10? Shall we all tear this one out of our bible as well?

What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.
Oh, and 1 John 1:9 is not out. Understand it from the perspective that people are being invited to have fellowship, a fellowship that is with the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ and they are being preached to of what they have heard. It sounds to me like people are being evangelized and these people said they were without sin, hence the need to confess, come in agreement with, their sinful state before God so that they may receive forgiveness for all unrighteousness.
 
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I'm wondering how many more scriptures we'll need to rip out of our bible. The Lord's prayer is out and now we don't need 1 John 1:9. Actually some have said the the teachings of Jesus are not for us today.

How about James 4:1-10? Shall we all tear this one out of our bible as well?

What is the source of quarrels and conflicts among you? Is not the source your pleasures that wage war in your members? You lust and do not have; so you commit murder. You are envious and cannot obtain; so you fight and quarrel. You do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it on your pleasures. You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: “He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us”? But He gives a greater grace. Therefore it says, “God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be miserable and mourn and weep; let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the Lord, and He will exalt you.

exactly

and like I said earlier, the denial of what is actually said now appears and the remarks about cutting off my hand or whatever, knowing full well that Jesus did not mean that literally

maybe He didn't mean if you look at a woman to lust after her, you have already committed adultery in your heart

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matt. 5:28

the subtle deception being taught and believed, is that Jesus was teaching a physical gospel when His words above show He was teaching a HEART gospel

Jesus words reveals what is in the heart and demand we walk in the light as He is in the light...but again, men (and women) love darkness

the age old question is always being asked: Has God really said?

I am no prophet, but at this point I think it would be appropriate to say...let him who has ears hear

He who has ears to hear, let him hear. Matthew 11:15

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches Revelation 2:9


 
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[FONT=&quot]What is bad is trying to shut down a brother or sister in Jesus for having a different opinion than you. For if you have nothing more to learn from the Bible and you got it all down pat...,? Than I'd suggest you are in more trouble than you realize. And if you can't stand to hear someone else who presents these different interpretations of say 1 John 1:9 who present the Bible verses and reasons well well? I'd suggest maybe there is a green monster about who would rather see a different opinion shut down than dealt with using the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit to guide.[/FONT]
I don't know what this writer is talking about. I don't see it. It seems everyone has the liberty to post what they want, and there's nobody to stop them.