Sin Confession: A Waste of Breath?

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It begs the question entirely, if the confession of sins is meaningless in the New Covenant, why is the epistle of John in our New Testament? The epistles were written way after the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, which would certainly qualify them as New Covenant epistles?
 

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~ we don't even live in the New Testament

kind of you to go around correcting absolutely everyone

good thing you joined :rolleyes:



sinless people are so rare
One could argue we are still in Acts but be that as it may while I do not like the delivery of PJW he does have a great point. Did Jesus take away the sin of the world or did He not? If Jesus finished work on the cross does not account for future sins how can we be saved thousands of years after the crucifixion?

God says we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ, God says we are redeemed and that He remembers our sin no more. If I think or feel like I am still a sinner but God says I am not one of us is mistaken...hint...it isn't God.

Again, I know that many major religious institutions like to say we must confess and usually they say we must somehow use someone who works for them to do this but that is how they keep people in bondage. Jesus came to set the captives free.
I know it is a very difficult thing indeed to put down our pride and ego and rely solely on what Jesus did on that cross for our salvation but again God's Word states time and again that we are not under any condemnation, that we are righteous and that trying to establish our own righteousness (by daily confession, repentance etc) is actually showing disobedience to God.


Romans 10:3-4 3 [FONT=&quot]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Again, this is the meat of the Word so pray then read and see if God will enlighten you to these amazing truths. Shalom.[/FONT]
 
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One could argue we are still in Acts but be that as it may while I do not like the delivery of PJW he does have a great point. Did Jesus take away the sin of the world or did He not? If Jesus finished work on the cross does not account for future sins how can we be saved thousands of years after the crucifixion?

God says we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ, God says we are redeemed and that He remembers our sin no more. If I think or feel like I am still a sinner but God says I am not one of us is mistaken...hint...it isn't God.

Again, I know that many major religious institutions like to say we must confess and usually they say we must somehow use someone who works for them to do this but that is how they keep people in bondage. Jesus came to set the captives free.
I know it is a very difficult thing indeed to put down our pride and ego and rely solely on what Jesus did on that cross for our salvation but again God's Word states time and again that we are not under any condemnation, that we are righteous and that trying to establish our own righteousness (by daily confession, repentance etc) is actually showing disobedience to God.


Romans 10:3-4 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Again, this is the meat of the Word so pray then read and see if God will enlighten you to these amazing truths. Shalom.
my Bible seems to interpret differently than yours does

I would thought you noticed that by now

Selah

perhaps God will enlighten you to the amazing truths already in vogue for the last 4000 years or so, with special attention to the last 2000, instead of Prince et al and the new revelation assembly
 
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I am hopeful that your POV is based on the fact that Christians don't commit sin after being reborn.
My old life ended on the cross with Christ when I was "immersed" into Him and His death on the cross. (Rom 6:3-7)
For me, the cross was a finishing event. But it is also a starting point for the reborn life to live as Christ lived.
Anything less would infer a false repentance from sin, and you can't have a relationship with God that is based on a lie.
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Amen.
But more sin would show that you were never on that cross.
The sin shows that the "flesh" wasn't killed, with the affections and lusts. (Gal 5:24)



Not sure if I understand you correctly brother PJW. I don't believe in sinless perfection. We still have this body and our old habits., or better said., our old manner of living that needs to be replaced by as we learn to walk in the new manner of living in Christ. This takes time. We learned how to breath and walk and talk with these old bodies but now we have to relearn how to walk in the Spirit.

While we do that., there is no condemnation Rom.8:1 because now we are the sons of God. We are not as we once were but our manner of living has to be walked out. We work out what Jesus has worked in us at the time of our salvation. We do that by knowing who we are IN Christ., we are righteous and holy and without blame in love. Now we walk out that new and amazing truth and gift given to us by Jesus Himself.

 

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Sin confession is not a waste of breath but it defines who we are. We sin because we are sinners . David said against you o Lord and only you I have sinned.
John reminds us of our advocate Christ Jesus when we sin. Now why would he remind us of that? Are we to shrug our shoulders and say o well better obedience next time?
Jesus died for all sin. There is not a single one that could be committed that wasn't taken care of at Calvary. Save one against the Holy Spirit.
Your sins will find you out saints. We are to walk in the light as he is in the light being transparent and the only way we can do this is confessing to the Lord and if we offended any brother or sister confessing to them our short comings.
Paul said where sin abound grace abounds more... Shall we sin more... God forbid. Thinking that you are not responsible for your actions and owe no apologies to anyone is wreckless religion imo.


We are no longer sinners that sin. We are now saints who sin occasionally and learning how not to walk in the flesh but by and in the Spirit. When we were in Adam., we sinned because it was our nature to sin., we were born in Adam so we were 100% guilty and we naturally sinned all the time... we were born into sin so we were sinners even before our feet touched the ground..

But now., we are born again in Christ and have a new nature... old things are passed away behold all things have become new. Now we are no longer in Adam but now we are IN Christ. Major change of positions and major change of hearts., we got new hearts. Gone from dead unrighteous guilty sinners to Alive Righteous saints no longer guilty IN Christ. AMEN!! Thank You Jesus for Your unspeakable gift!!
 

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The new spirit of a saved individual cannot commit sin, but the flesh of that spirit can, as explained in Romans chapter seven. The spirit has been saved from punishment, but not the fleshly body. On this earth we are told that all will be punished with no exception. Colossians 3:23-25 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters,24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.


It IS a strange thing for us humans to grasp that we are no longer under curse and judgement of sin because Jesus took every single curse for us. The Believer is not ever going to have to pay for sins they committed. They will however lose rewards meant for them. And if a believer sins., God is not going to zap him...., But sin always leads to death., even a slow death if that believer doesn't get out of the sin he is in. But that is sin in action., not God causing death and all that goes along with sin.

"For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under grace"

The Christian is no longer guilty before God because Jesus took alllll the penalty and judgment and guilt and condemnation on the cross for us. There is no more judgment for any of our sins ever again. Jesus sacrifice paid it all in full 100%. And now we must "recon it to be so" We are dead to sin and alive unto God. That is how we begin to recon these truths to be so and how we begin to live them out.

Yes.,, it is a shocking thing to believe that God will not hold us guilty if we sin. But that is what Jesus gifted to us., HIS righteousness. WOW.

The Bible is clear if we would believe it. Hebrews 8:10-13 focusing especially on verse


.......For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness., and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember NO MORE.

When we believe this we will be free to sin no more. This doesn't cause us to sin and try to get away with sinning. This causes us to jump in and draw close to Him. His love and provision causes us to follow Him. He has the answers to all of life. Why would we His sheep who hear His voice go listening to another?

The love of God constrains us to sin NO MORE. The love of God causes us to be like Jesus and learn to be guided by the Holy Spirit who is now in us directing guiding and teaching us who we are IN Christ. We are the righteousness of God IN Christ. The more we grow in faith in that truth., the more we see the truth work our and show out in our lives. Amen!!



 

joaniemarie

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oh you don't consider yourself under judgement?

you just tell everyone else they are...by quoting judgement starts at the house of God

got it :p

but then of course you seem to be posting about sinless perfectionism

and we're off.................

Yes, that is a good catch you are right 7seas. You and I for these short moments in time agree because he did say judgment begins in the house of the Lord. He is contradicting what he said and maybe we can help him know there is no judgment coming from God anymore. Sin has it's own consequence....death. God sent His Son and in Christ there is Life and that more abundant.

I believe based on the Scriptures just posted (and many others to be posted) that all our sin and God's judgment for sin has been paid in full by Jesus. That sin has no dominion over us because the believer is not UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE. God no longer deals with us according to our sins.,,, but according to His Son and grace.
 

joaniemarie

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One could argue we are still in Acts but be that as it may while I do not like the delivery of PJW he does have a great point. Did Jesus take away the sin of the world or did He not? If Jesus finished work on the cross does not account for future sins how can we be saved thousands of years after the crucifixion?

God says we have been made the righteousness of God in Christ, God says we are redeemed and that He remembers our sin no more. If I think or feel like I am still a sinner but God says I am not one of us is mistaken...hint...it isn't God.

Again, I know that many major religious institutions like to say we must confess and usually they say we must somehow use someone who works for them to do this but that is how they keep people in bondage. Jesus came to set the captives free.
I know it is a very difficult thing indeed to put down our pride and ego and rely solely on what Jesus did on that cross for our salvation but again God's Word states time and again that we are not under any condemnation, that we are righteous and that trying to establish our own righteousness (by daily confession, repentance etc) is actually showing disobedience to God.


Romans 10:3-4 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Again, this is the meat of the Word so pray then read and see if God will enlighten you to these amazing truths. Shalom.


AMEN and well put. We Christians must keep remembering we are no longer under God's judgment radar. All judgment has been put on the Son. When we believed this ., we were saved. His righteousness was imputed onto us and Adam's imputed sin was paid for and judgment was taken off of us. We repented and agreed with God on this matter. We were sinners in need of a Savior. Now we are saints in need of REMEMBERING what Jesus did on the cross for us and learning what this so great a salvation in tails. There is so much to learn about imputed righteousness.

And the astounding amazing thing about remembering what Jesus did for us., is faith grows and we see His love more., we find out by faith and by our walk we are recipients of the Holy Spirit and those rivers of living waters flowing in and through us by Him.

When we believe it is His righteousness and not our own., we see His hand in our lives and He begins to show up in our lives as our Good Shepherd who takes care of His sheep. When we stop taking care of ourselves and stop trying to establish our own righteousness., we allow Him to take care of us like He promised. That is faith and that will cause manymany changes in our lives as believers.




 
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The new spirit of a saved individual cannot commit sin, but the flesh of that spirit can, as explained in Romans chapter seven. The spirit has been saved from punishment, but not the fleshly body. On this earth we are told that all will be punished with no exception. Colossians 3:23-25 23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters,24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving.25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.
Hi, C'.
Why wasn't that "flesh" crucified with the affections and lusts? (Gal 5:24)
Why is your "body" over-ruling your mind?
As for Romans 7...
The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.
 

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You don't live without sin in addition to your misunderstanding and subsequent misapplication of 1 John 3:9.
Better "roll the film" if you are going to accuse me of sin.
BTW, is the "truth" of your moniker the same "truth" Jesus said could free you from service to sin...in John 8:32-34?
 

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John 8:32-34, "and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered Him, “We are the seed of Aḇraham, and have been servants to no one at any time. How do you say, ‘You shall become free’? יהושע answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone doing sin is a servant of sin."

Genesis 4:6-7 “YHWH said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why has the expression of your face fallen? If you do well, will it not be lifted up? If you don’t do well, sin crouches at the door. Its desire is for you, but you are to rule over it.”

John 15:5, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who stays in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit. Because without Me you are able to do naught!"
 

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oh you don't consider yourself under judgement?
you just tell everyone else they are...by quoting judgement starts at the house of God
got it :p
My judgement already happened, and I was killed for my sins.
If I were to return to sinning, God forbid, I would be under judgement here and now.
Our final judgement will determine our salvation, and I'm not going to risk that for anything the flesh desires here and now.

but then of course you seem to be posting about sinless perfectionism
and we're off.................
Yes, I am.
Perhaps a new thread would be better?
Or doesn't obedience to God apply to confession of sin?
 

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~ we don't even live in the New Testament
It is here now, if you are interested.

kind of you to go around correcting absolutely everyone
good thing you joined
sinless people are so rare
You got that right.
Few really wants to serve God, they just want the "prize".
 
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Yes, that is a good catch you are right 7seas. You and I for these short moments in time agree because he did say judgment begins in the house of the Lord. He is contradicting what he said and maybe we can help him know there is no judgment coming from God anymore. Sin has it's own consequence....death. God sent His Son and in Christ there is Life and that more abundant.

I believe based on the Scriptures just posted (and many others to be posted) that all our sin and God's judgment for sin has been paid in full by Jesus. That sin has no dominion over us because the believer is not UNDER LAW BUT UNDER GRACE. God no longer deals with us according to our sins.,,, but according to His Son and grace.

I agree with the bold type above. this, is the backbone of salvation and I guess that makes it a really good thing to agree on

this expression, not under law, has been used to the point, IMO, that it has become an expression rather than something we understand from scripture

we need to remember that salvation, including the OT (refer to Abraham PRIOR to Moses receiving any law) was ALWAYS by faith

no animal sacrifice EVER actually did away with sins. animals are not moral beings and therefore no more guilty of sin than a tree. it's important to understand this, because the way some people seem to post as though there are but 2 covenants, leads me to suspect they may believe the sacrifices did do away with sin and/or there are but two covenants...the old and the new...when there are I believe it is 7 actually.

at the final judgement, EACH of us will be judged. so, it is incorrect to state no more judgement is coming...however, some will receive eternal life without rewards as their 'works' will not stand the test of fire and will be burned up

this is all in the Bible.

when we take a look at ourselves, we are, more or less, 'judging' ourselves. I understand from your posts that you want to keep a clean slate between you and God as do I and prob most people here who are sincere in their pursuit of living for Him

from that, we concur that we do not wish to continue in sin as no Christian should. I believe most certainly, that we do agree on that; demonstrating a true and saving faith, and not just lip service
 
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It is here now, if you are interested.


You got that right.
Few really wants to serve God, they just want the "prize".
listen, no offence, but you do not seem to have a clue what I'm posting about

now whether that is because you just joined, or you have not read any of this thread and just jumped in with your eyes closed, or you have poor comprehension skills, I don't know

however this:

You got that right.
Few really wants to serve God, they just want the "prize".
sounds like someone who has sat under too many condemnatory 'sermons' and it does not apply to me

you are not actually exchanging thoughts here...you are simply quipping religious wisecracks and I'm not interested

thanks but no thanks
 
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you cannot reason with a person who believes they never sin

they totally misunderstand what it means to be a saint before God, because of our position IN Christ, the fact that God accepts us in His beloved Son and ONLY because of Him, allows us to call God Father.

for the record, I'm not going around this mulberry bush again, but y'all are welcome to have a go LOL!
 

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Not sure if I understand you correctly brother PJW. I don't believe in sinless perfection. We still have this body and our old habits., or better said., our old manner of living that needs to be replaced by as we learn to walk in the new manner of living in Christ. This takes time. We learned how to breath and walk and talk with these old bodies but now we have to relearn how to walk in the Spirit,...

You don't believe Gal 5:24?
My "old self" was killed, buried, and raised anew...with Christ.
I am a new creature now...thank God.
Technically, it is His body now and I'm just along for the ride.

While we do that., there is no condemnation Rom.8:1
You didn't read the whole scripture..."
[FONT=&quot]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
You can't walk in both.
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because now we are the sons of God. We are not as we once were but our manner of living has to be walked out. We work out what Jesus has worked in us at the time of our salvation. We do that by knowing who we are IN Christ., we are righteous and holy and without blame in love. Now we walk out that new and amazing truth and gift given to us by Jesus Himself.
"Walk it out" in the Spirit, instead of in the flesh.
 

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listen, no offence, but you do not seem to have a clue what I'm posting about
now whether that is because you just joined, or you have not read any of this thread and just jumped in with your eyes closed, or you have poor comprehension skills, I don't know
however this:
sounds like someone who has sat under too many condemnatory 'sermons' and it does not apply to me
you are not actually exchanging thoughts here...you are simply quipping religious wisecracks and I'm not interested
thanks but no thanks
If obedience to God offends you...I'm sorry, but I won't quit extolling the love and power of God in His kingdom on earth now...in me and those who have submitted their own will to God's will.
Till the end, there will be those that despise government. (2 Peter 2:10)
I pray you are not one of them.