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Prov910

Prov910

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Do heated debates in the CC Bible Discussion Forum rise to the level of sin?

In thread after thread we see posters getting upset, demeaning each other, judging each other, and calling each other heretics. Or worse. Generally the disputs are due to disagreement over some particular doctrinal point or interpretation of the bible. (Does anyone else see the irony in this? Bible disagreements leading to sin?)

Is this sort of behavior sinful? A couple of passages from Matthew come to mind:

22. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell. (Matthew 5:22)

39. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Matthew 22:39)
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Finally: Lest anyone bring this up--I am NOT claiming to be innocent of these things. I've written things that, upon reflection, I regret.
 
Prov910

Prov910

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mikeuk said:
I agree.

One of the old chestnuts I see time and again, is when people try to defend their own belief, rather than defending that issue, they do one of two things. (a) Hurl the "false prophets" and similar verses at their opponents or (b) I discerned it with the holy spirit, so I must be right.

Both arguments are bankrupt .

Since in many of the heated arguments eg justification, the answers OSAS, Saved but can lose it, Dont get saved until the end, are all mutually exclusive, so two thirds of you are wrong!

But all will claim they (b) discerned the holy spirit and (a) so the others are false prophets. So provable from that is most of those who say the holy spirit guided them are wrong, since I am sure the holy spirit does not have a divided doctrine!

If everyone did the courtesy to the other faction of saying " I think <this> is true because of <abc>" rather than the more dogmatic "<this> is true, because of <abc> so you are wrong!> then the forum would be so much more pleasant!

Outside the forum it can get even nastier. A story.

A protestant theologian (does not matter who) was a salaried teacher at a seminary. Then one of the schisms blew up over doctrine, the new sect gave itself a new name, and took over the seminary in that new name..
Our preacher was part of the "losing" side in an acrimonious dispute, and lost his job in favour of those preaching the opposite doctrine. In desparate financial straights, he took on benefits, to tide him over, on the basis that the seminary had closed (which was true in the sense that the new faction, was in a new name, had new beliefs. much like a new company taking over an old company site, has no responsibility for the staff fired). But rather than letting that take its course, the seminary went out of its way to say "no he was not made redundant, he was fired!!" so he got no benefits at all, had to pay back what he had already been paid.

How nasty can people be to each other!
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This is a post from an old thread. LINK. He has some good advice on avoiding doctrinal spats.

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I would have bumped this thread, but I guess we are not supposed to do that.
 
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Ellsworth1943

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Prov910 said:
This is a post from an old thread. LINK. He has some good advice on avoiding doctrinal spats.

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I would have bumped this thread, but I guess we are not supposed to do that.
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If you are on the wrong side of the debate, than yes, you sin.:eek:
 
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Susanna

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If you call me a false prophet, it's a sin. If I call you a false prophet, then you are a false prophet. LOL.
 
IamWhoIam

IamWhoIam

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Yes heated debates can lead to sinning, been there done that, it takes a lot of patience and lip biting,
 
IamWhoIam

IamWhoIam

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What does sin mean,

Sanctifation In Nothing
 
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Prov910 said:
Do heated debates in the CC Bible Discussion Forum rise to the level of sin?

In thread after thread we see posters getting upset, demeaning each other, judging each other, and calling each other heretics. Or worse. Generally the disputs are due to disagreement over some particular doctrinal point or interpretation of the bible. (Does anyone else see the irony in this? Bible disagreements leading to sin?)

Is this sort of behavior sinful? A couple of passages from Matthew come to mind:
22. But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ will be sent to fiery hell. (Matthew 5:22)

39. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Matthew 22:39)
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Finally: Lest anyone bring this up--I am NOT claiming to be innocent of these things. I've written things that, upon reflection, I regret.
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I've been reading Gospel of John lately, and I am amazed how often Jesus purposely got rid of tare. His miracles brought in lots of people, and whenever he got to "a whole lot," he'd say something so off the wall, that the tare fled and the wheat stayed. ("Eat my body, drink my blood" for example.)

We often talk about the gifts on this site, (usually tongues, but whatever lol), but if I were ever given a gift I'd highly regard, I think that would be the one. The one that makes tare flee.

Doctrine is very important. It is the difference between inventing a god we like versus serving the God who loves us. People have fallen away from what doctrine really means and the importance of it so much so, that there is a lot of tare on here teaching something else entirely.

I easily admit I'm a hot head. BUT I'm a hothead like a Mama Bear. Don't muss with the cubs or you muss with me. That is my love. No way am I letting the junk posing as gospel to infiltrate the young ones in Christ, if I can help it. My only problem is I usually can't help it. Which is why, I wish I had the power to scurry the tares away. Let them blow away in the breeze, never to return.
 
FlSnookman7

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When Jesus said that anyone who is angry has already murdered and anyone looking at another with lust was already committing adultery, He was trying to show the jews that no one could keep the law enough to save themselves. The law's purpose was to lead us to Jesus. Once we are there we no longer have need of the law...

Galatians 3:24-25 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The problem is that in order to trust in Jesus alone for not only our salvation but our righteousness we must put down our ego and pride and have faith in what we can not see. This is a very, very hard thing indeed. In fact many large institutions like the rcc and others realize that we will find this difficult so they play on that to keep people in bondage to them.

We are the righteousness of God in Christ....

2 Corinthians 5:21 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Since the Word says we are the righteousness of God in Christ we then must ask, does God sin? Has God ever sinned? Will God sin at some point in the future?

The entire gospel of Jesus is that we must trust and have faith in the fact that we are who He has made us to be and not the product of our own actions. Thank God we do not reap what we sow when it comes to salvation or Heaven would be empty for all eternity.

So even though I think I sin, it looks like I sin and it feels like I sin God says I am the righteousness of God in Christ. Either what I see, think and feel is mistaken or God is mistaken, hint, it is NOT God who is mistaken. I must then conclude that all the facts I see, think and feel must be wrong as they do not line up with the Word of God. Again, this is such a difficult thing to do that indeed many will be called but few will be chosen.

Here is what God says about those who can not trust in Jesus finished work on the cross....


Romans 10:3-4 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

This is really the meat of the Word so instead of reacting try praying then reading the Word for yourself. Properly divided the bible holds all the answers to any question. Shalom.
 
Prov910

Prov910

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I've been reading Gospel of John lately, and I am amazed how often Jesus purposely got rid of tare. His miracles brought in lots of people, and whenever he got to "a whole lot," he'd say something so off the wall, that the tare fled and the wheat stayed. ("Eat my body, drink my blood" for example.)

We often talk about the gifts on this site, (usually tongues, but whatever lol), but if I were ever given a gift I'd highly regard, I think that would be the one. The one that makes tare flee.

Doctrine is very important. It is the difference between inventing a god we like versus serving the God who loves us. People have fallen away from what doctrine really means and the importance of it so much so, that there is a lot of tare on here teaching something else entirely.

I easily admit I'm a hot head. BUT I'm a hothead like a Mama Bear. Don't muss with the cubs or you muss with me. That is my love. No way am I letting the junk posing as gospel to infiltrate the young ones in Christ, if I can help it. My only problem is I usually can't help it. Which is why, I wish I had the power to scurry the tares away. Let them blow away in the breeze, never to return.
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A big part of the problem is that your doctrine, and my doctrine, and the doctrine of that fellow posting in the other thread, all have subtle differences. Even though we all worship the same God we interpret passages of the bible in different ways. Hence, the need for at least some amount of tolerance and courtesy.

I think that's what Paul had in mind when he said:

1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. (Romans 14:1-4)
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I think too many of us are quick to assume the role of judging others. Perhaps we should just point to scripture and leave it at that. :)
 
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Prov910 said:
In thread after thread we see posters getting upset, demeaning each other, judging each other, and calling each other heretics. Or worse. Generally the disputs are due to disagreement over some particular doctrinal point or interpretation of the bible. (Does anyone else see the irony in this? Bible disagreements leading to sin?)
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Yes I do see it...
 
Magenta

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Amberlight said:
Simple question related what you said
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I believe Susanna was simply pointing out what hypocrites a lot of people are, and not necessarily saying anything about whether or not she herself is a prophet.
 
Dino246

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I haven't sinned on CC today. However, the day is young, and this is the first thread I've read. :rolleyes:
 
BillG

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Not yet:cool:

However If I do it was the other persons fault
 
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