The End is Near for Dispensationalism - it's cracking apart..

[eternally-gratefull]

Paul tells us that all nations had been preached to and the land mass has not grown since that time. There are places that I feel know about God but they refuse to accept iHim, especially in some of the Tribes in the Congo and Amazon areas as they tend to have their own GOd(s). Other religions (Buddha, Islam, etc,..)know about our GOD but like many so many reject Him as well.

Now there are also many places like Iran, China where the Government has placed a death sentence on anyone who practices Christianity. There are many martyrdom(s) in these countries yet there are still far more people that received the WORD of GOD through Radio, Internet and smuggled Bibles, etc.

There are a lot of missionary works out there that are bringing not only aid to their villages but also brings God's WORD to them.. I would bet that like Noah's Flood, all tribes of the earth, including your tribe, knows about the invisible GOD and for many reason(s) beyond the scope of this post, do not seek HIM.

When paul said that, tell how the americas were given the gospel. When did paul come over here and preach to north and South America, and all of the islands in the carabian?

Paul said all the nations he had access to were given the gospel. That is what context says, even if he did not say sad much, to think anything else. Would be taking a leap.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus tells us through Paul in Col 1:23."If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Now which part of that do you want to Call Jesus a LIAR??????????

You tell me when paul came to the americas, and then we can talk.

The gospel as far as the spirit convicting the world of sin, I agree, the HS has told everyone , thus there is no excuse. But the gospel in written or spoken word from an apostle or disciple of the apostles, that is a different story.

 

[Bladerunner]

Naw, Paul does not use the te4rm "Every nation And every tribe, And every tongue. Plus, things revelations speaks of were impossible in Pauls day. Well unless you spiritualism prophesy. Which is a no no!

Jesus tells us through Paul in Col 1:23."If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Now which part of that do you want to Call Jesus a LIAR??????????

"Every Creature" in my book contains 'all nations' within the borders of its very definition.

It appears that you change your Hermenutics if the verse(s) do not correspond to your belief(s). There are many that do the same thing, so do not feel I am singling you out.

The bottom line is; One should not change hermeneutics because of personal beliefs at the time. One who reads the Bible by using a Literal, Historical and Grammatical hermeneutics, should read the WHOLE BIBLE the same way.

This is true for other types of hermeneutics although by using other types of hermeneutics very few of the Bible Verses will make sense among themselves promoting the promiscuous change in their Hermeneutics.


This is also the main problem with amillennialism.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus tells us through Paul in Col 1:23."If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Now which part of that do you want to Call Jesus a LIAR??????????

"Every Creature" in my book contains 'all nations' within the borders of its very definition.

It appears that you change your Hermenutics if the verse(s) do not correspond to your belief(s). There are many that do the same thing, so do not feel I am singling you out.

The bottom line is; One should not change hermeneutics because of personal beliefs at the time. One who reads the Bible by using a Literal, Historical and Grammatical hermeneutics, should read the WHOLE BIBLE the same way.

This is true for other types of hermeneutics although by using other types of hermeneutics very few of the Bible Verses will make sense among themselves promoting the promiscuous change in their Hermeneutics.


This is also the main problem with amillennialism.

So you have proof that a person came to North America to spread the gospel? To Puerto Rico, to the Dominican Republic, Haiti, all the islands, to Hawaii, all these places. Who did it before Paul wrote those words?>

Either give proof. Or back up. Because you failed to prove your point.

again, If we are talking how the HS convicts them world in context I agree. But the spoken word given to all the world. Then no.

 

[Bladerunner]

So you have proof that a person came to North America to spread the gospel? To Puerto Rico, to the Dominican Republic, Haiti, all the islands, to Hawaii, all these places. Who did it before Paul wrote those words?>

Either give proof. Or back up. Because you failed to prove your point.

again, If we are talking how the HS convicts them world in context I agree. But the spoken word given to all the world. Then no.

Yes, I do,,,,,Jesus Told Me in col 1:23 ...Is that not good enough for you???????

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I do,,,,,Jesus Told Me in col 1:23 ...Is that not good enough for you???????

All he told you was the the word was given to all nations. He did not tell you that the physical word though men was preached to all nations. It has not yet happened till this day.

if you want to believe otherwise, thats up to you. You want me to believe it, then prove what men came to the americas before Paul wrote those words.

By the way, Jesus said in matt 24 that the gospel will be taught to all nations, then the end would come. The end has not yet come. So jesus never said it was taught to all nations..

Matt 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come

next..

 

[crossnote]

Replacement theology is a misnomer and is not the cause of "anti-semitism", "anti-semitism" is just another form of racism, no different that what plagued the US years with the African Americans.

This is just another red herring, we see racism/xenophobia all over the world, Muslims in Burma persecuted by Buddhists.

You are right, RT doesn't cause antisemitism but it sure attracts the antisemites in the theological arena.

 

[Bladerunner]

All he told you was the the word was given to all nations. He did not tell you that the physical word though men was preached to all nations. It has not yet happened till this day.

if you want to believe otherwise, thats up to you. You want me to believe it, then prove what men came to the americas before Paul wrote those words.

By the way, Jesus said in matt 24 that the gospel will be taught to all nations, then the end would come. The end has not yet come. So jesus never said it was taught to all nations..

Matt 24: 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come

next..

OK,,,,it is after all your choice. No skin off my back.... But when Paul said that in Col 1:23 "If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Here Paul is talking about preaching the Gospel not just a word..........and he also tells us that "EVERY CREATURE", Not every nation where some could be missed and;

I am sure that if he said that 'all nations' had been preached to, you would want proof that all the people (creatures) within those nations had been told.????????

In Jhn 1:1.."In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

This verse tells us how much GOD thinks about his WORD. What is written in the KJV, is HIS Holy WORD! Now if you decide to reject that, ok, if you decide to change that OK, but consider this:

Deut. 4:2.."Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

 

[Muzungu256]

Jesus tells us through Paul in Col 1:23."If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;"

Now which part of that do you want to Call Jesus a LIAR??????????

"Every Creature" in my book contains 'all nations' within the borders of its very definition.

It appears that you change your Hermenutics if the verse(s) do not correspond to your belief(s). There are many that do the same thing, so do not feel I am singling you out.

The bottom line is; One should not change hermeneutics because of personal beliefs at the time. One who reads the Bible by using a Literal, Historical and Grammatical hermeneutics, should read the WHOLE BIBLE the same way.

This is true for other types of hermeneutics although by using other types of hermeneutics very few of the Bible Verses will make sense among themselves promoting the promiscuous change in their Hermeneutics.


This is also the main problem with amillennialism.

maybe its time to change ur "hermeneutic" u see.......... lol. many times in the bible the word world doesnt mean the entire world.
all doesnt always mean all, forever doesnt always mean forever. (jonah inside the fish "forever" but was only a few days).
u are just making wild accusations when people refuse to accept ur over-literal interpretation which is just plain false, paul never travelled to north america..........

 

[Locutus]

maybe its time to change ur "hermeneutic" u see.......... lol. many times in the bible the word world doesnt mean the entire world.
all doesnt always mean all, forever doesnt always mean forever. (jonah inside the fish "forever" but was only a few days).
u are just making wild accusations when people refuse to accept ur over-literal interpretation which is just plain false, paul never travelled to north america..........

Give the lad a cookie - when Jesus stated that the gospel would be preached in "all the world" he was mainly speaking of the lands to where the Israelites had been scattered.

The gospel had traveled as far as China, India and Briton, it did not need to go to every nook and cranny on the planet.

Matt 24:14 “This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come."

Rom 10:18 But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have; “THEIR VOICE HAS GONE OUT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS TO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD.”

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Notice Christ said "unto them", the apostles, not every tom, dick or harry afterwards until now.

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Therefore the mission to spread the gospel in "all the world" and to "every creature" was accomplished by the apostles and Paul in the 1st century AD then came the end of the old covenant reign of Judah/Israel.

The unbelief by those refuting the above is "unbelievable".

 

[Ahwatukee]

One of the great hallmarks of the millennium is that satan will be bound and cast into the bottomless pit. This little fact seems to have escaped the preterists.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

That's because they allegorize or symbolize the thousand years, as well as Satan's literal binding in the Abyss, making them nonliteral. Otherwise, if they read it at face value it would infer a literal thousand years and a literal binding, just as the scripture states.They do the same thing with all of the scriptures that demonstrate a literal fulfillment regarding end-time events.

 

[Bladerunner]

they think he is bound now.. And Jesus is ruling with that rod of Iron.

I thought all nations were supposed to be at peace during the Millennium???????? Something I will ask a Preterist next time I met one.

 

[Bladerunner]

yuh know...the whole debate is bad enough, but when the type of ignorant remark as the one above is added, you might as well call the fire department

if that is what you think, or read somewhere, both you and the article are misinformed

scripture calls satan the god...LITTLE g...of this world (II Cor 4:4)

that does not make him the owner or the ruler. preterism may have evolved it to make it sound like anyone who is not in that club believes the devil is ruling, but since they change the meaning of what is being said so often, it's just par for the course

in other words, part of the scripted allegorical rendering they have slaved over to make their false premise true to themselves

7seasrekeyed....I agree with you except for one sentence. "that does not make him the owner or the ruler"

Rem. when He took Jesus to the Desert. Satan told Jesus then that he would give HIM (Jesus) all the nations of the earth. They had previously been given to him and Jesus knew that. Satan is the Prince of this world, thus the ruler of this world. While He is restrained at the moment, when the Rapture happens, all evil that exists in Satan, His mininions and Man will be at full throttle.

Those left behind are in for a ride, that is for sure.

 

[Bladerunner]

When Jesus defeated satan on the cross, did the devil cease to be active? The devil had limits put on him when he was allowed to attack Job, yet he was not inactive.

Bogadile..... would like to remind you that Jesus Christ did not defeat Satan as a result of his death and Resurrection....He did however, defeat "DEATH"......The defeat of Satan will happen at the end of Daniel's 70th week at the Battle of Armageddon in the Jezreel Valley near Jerusalem.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I thought all nations were supposed to be at peace during the Millennium???????? Something I will ask a Preterist next time I met one.

Hey Bladerunner!

Unfortunately, the preterist will just tell you that Jesus is currently ruling from heaven through His church and will allegorize His literal rule on this physical earth from the literal city of Jerusalem. Does it look like the church is ruling anything? Sin is rampant and getting worse. We are not in that period where Jesus is ruling with a rod of iron.

 

[valiant]

That's because they allegorize or symbolize the thousand years,

They do not symbolise of allegorise. They just note how large numbers were used in those days as indicating, for example, a long period of time (e.g. 'a thousand generations', which even you would not see as literal)

as well as Satan's literal binding in the Abyss, making them nonliteral.

Satan was bound in the abyss in Revelation 9.

Otherwise, if they read it at face value it would infer a literal thousand years and a literal binding, just as the scripture states.

But the Scriptures do not state that it is literal. By all Old Testament examples it is NOT 'literal'

They do the same thing with all of the scriptures that demonstrate a literal fulfillment regarding end-time events.

But the Scriptures do not demonstrate a 'literal fulfilment'. You have to PROVE it.

 

[Bladerunner]

maybe its time to change ur "hermeneutic" u see.......... lol. many times in the bible the word world doesnt mean the entire world.
all doesnt always mean all, forever doesnt always mean forever. (jonah inside the fish "forever" but was only a few days).
u are just making wild accusations when people refuse to accept ur over-literal interpretation which is just plain false, paul never travelled to north america..........

It is Ok Muzungu256, My Hermeneutics are just fine thank you. If you could be more specific on the "forever" thought, and the Jonah fish tail..I might get a chance to set you straight.

My last question is that since you and your friends (who liked your post) are time travelers; What did Paul look like....Did you take any pics of him. If you did, Please share them with us....Have a many of question for you that have not been answered yet??????

 

[valiant]

Unfortunately, the preterist will just tell you that Jesus is currently ruling from heaven through His church

They do not say 'through His church'. Christ IS ruling from Heaven (or is Acts 2 wrong?)

and will allegorize His literal rule on this physical earth from the literal city of Jerusalem.

NOWHERE does it say He will literally rule on this physical earth from the physical Jerusalem. You imagine it.

Does it look like the church is ruling anything?

Christ is ruling all things.

Sin is rampant and getting worse. We are not in that period where Jesus is ruling with a rod of iron.

I would disagree, He IS shepherding the people with a rod of iron and He will smash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. HE is in control.

 

[Bladerunner]

They do not symbolise of allegorise. They just note how large numbers were used in those days as indicating, for example, a long period of time (e.g. 'a thousand generations', which even you would not see as literal)




Satan was bound in the abyss in Revelation 9.



But the Scriptures do not state that it is literal. By all Old Testament examples it is NOT 'literal'



But the Scriptures do not demonstrate a 'literal fulfilment'. You have to PROVE it.

OH,,,,You are very wrong my friend.... The Exact Day that Jesus would ride into Jerusalem was prophesied 5-600 years earlier. It was fulfilled. It was very literal as well.

Is that good enough for you. That is just one of many.

 

[Ahwatukee]

OH,,,,You are very wrong my friend.... The Exact Day that Jesus would ride into Jerusalem was prophesied 5-600 years earlier. It was fulfilled. It was very literal as well.

Is that good enough for you. That is just one of many.

But the Scriptures do not demonstrate a 'literal fulfilment'. You have to PROVE it.

On the contrary Valiant, you and others have to prove that it is not a thousand years and that because the scripture states plainly that the time period is "a thousand years." It is only by your interpretation that you change the meaning. If you read it at face value (in the literal sense) it says "a thousand years." You do not need to go to any other scripture to understand what a thousand years means, as it is self explanatory right there in Revelation.