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    The elements that Peter was talking about "melting with fervent heat" are not chemicals/atoms there are the "elements" of the Jewish religion of the old covenant.
    You used the wrong definition, it has about 4.

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    I believe the 1000 year period is literal.. I see no reason why it would be figurative.. From reading Revelation 20 i cannot see it as being anything other then Literal.. It starts on the day of the return of Jesus..

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    Jesus Himself said, definitely, that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob shall be
    in that glorious and glorified Kingdom (Luke 13:28).


    Should we not see them here if this kingdom is now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adstar View Post
    I believe the 1000 year period is literal.. I see no reason why it would be figurative.. From reading Revelation 20 i cannot see it as being anything other then Literal.. It starts on the day of the return of Jesus..
    Exactly. If the term was symbolic, the context above and below would also be symbolic. But it's not.

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    Originally Posted by Locutus
    The elements that Peter was talking about "melting with fervent heat" are not chemicals/atoms there are the "elements" of the Jewish religion of the old covenant.


    Prove:
    Bologna - Those are "elements of the world" you speak of [mans],
    they are not Gods Holy Convocations, made for God by God. {His Oracles}

    remember, preterisim dictates you can create an allegory out of whatever you want and the more the merrier

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laish View Post
    Here is the musical version
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    LOL! how cute is that!

    where was that when I sat in science class slowly nodding off to sleep ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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    It's a literal period from the preaching of Christ until the dissolution of the old covenant in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple and the Jewish theocracy symbolically called by John "a thousand years".

    Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    Paul is speaking of his people receiving the promises when he wrote:

    Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    There is no future remnant.

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    Symbolic.

    I see no reason why should I take it from the symbolic context all around and believe this one sentence is literal. It needs some theological background (physical understanding of the OT prophecies and Israel-centered theology) to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    The first thing in my mind that needs to be addressed it who are those that partake in this:

    "Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again"

    I would say that is it the 144,000 of the tribes of Israel among others, but primarily is concerned with the 12 tribes.Is there any disagreement with this?
    Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    I would suggest it’s how we hear what the Spirit says as to what signified means in looking for the spiritual understanding. It’s the key that unlocks the gospel of Christ. The same key spoken of in Revelation 20 or Mathew 16 .

    This is seeing a literal key does not lock (bind)or open(release)from a literal bottomless pit and neither could a literal chain hold a lying spirit. They are used to signify. It’s the gospel as the key that the gates of hell could never prevail against .It loosens or bind the things not seen the eternal.

    Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

    I would offer because the book of Revelation is signified using the things seen the temporal, to reveal the eternal things not seen according to 2 Corinthians 4:18. we need to search for the spiritual understanding in the parables knowing without parables, Christ the Holy Spirit spoke not..

    The first resurrection began in fulfillment of a many of the Old testament promises as the glory spoken of in 1 Peter 1 in so much that he would open their graves as a result of finishing all the work necessary having prepared a place of many mansion for them the graves a temporal holding place, no longer held any value..


    Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1Pe 1:10

    Since that time period to be absent from the things of this world is to be present along with the saints that have died not receiving the promise of their new bodies.

    On the last day the seventh trump the saints that remain reigning with Christ here on earth they will hear the wake-up call like that of Lazarus and all together in the twinkling of the eye both will be changed into their new eternal bodies in the new heavens and earth.

    Because the 1444,000 as well as the use of the word tribes is signified we understand that the 1444,000 represents a number that no man could count, it signifies all the saints from the beginning when he first had favor on Abel up until the last day, the last called heavenward

    Salvation has nothing to do with the outward flesh of tribes used to signify gates for entering into fellowship with the Holy Spirit just as the walls of that same city prepared as the one bride of Christ as those sent (apostles)with the gospel .

    One is signified for entering fellowship with God the other signifies those sent out. One bride .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    It's a literal period from the preaching of Christ until the dissolution of the old covenant in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple and the Jewish theocracy symbolically called by John "a thousand years".

    Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    Paul is speaking of his people receiving the promises when he wrote:

    Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    There is no future remnant.

    I would think Christian the new name God named His people is the remnant.

    He had a purposed a meaning and is why used that name Christian to help to add meaning of the bride coming down on the last day. It means much more than the added meaning that some subscribe to it ,as followers of Christ. It what they do follow Christ not what the word means.

    Changing the meaning of a word can add or subtract form the intended purpose.

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    If the millennial reign of Christ is figurative then perhaps the salvation He promised is also figurative?

    Reasonably certain that is not the truth.

    Preterism is second only to complete unbelief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    If the millennial reign of Christ is figurative then perhaps the salvation He promised is also figurative?

    Reasonably certain that is not the truth.

    Preterism is second only to complete unbelief.

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    I think if it is signified as to the spiritual meaning. It is figurative as a shadow. It represents the real substance .(redemption)

    Figures are parables that hide the meaning not seen from natural unconverted man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    Bologna - Those are "elements of the world" you speak of [mans],
    they are not Gods Holy Convocations, made for God by God. {His Oracles}

    it is part of their spiritualising the word.

    They can not take literal interpretation of the word when it comes to these things, if they would, it would prove them wrong. And their doctrines would fall apart.
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    If the millennial reign of Christ is figurative then perhaps the salvation He promised is also figurative?

    Reasonably certain that is not the truth.

    Preterism is second only to complete unbelief.

    For the cause of Christ
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    They do that anyway, Gods eternal promise to Israel was figurative, Even though God said it would last forever. They stay it did not have to.

    If God did not have to keep his promise to them as a nation, why does he have to keep his promise to us as a people?
    Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.

    Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

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    This is the problem with all the dispensationallists of all stripes, they claim a literal interpretation when it suits their "theology".

    Symbols or figures stand for something other than what they literally state - Jesus said he is the door, yet we all know he is not a literal door, yet the door is symbolic or a figure for a real thing.

    Just because John used a "thousand years" in a symbolic sense (in a book full of symbols and figures) does not mean it is none existent.

    Dictionary definition:

    Symbol:

    something that stands for or suggests something else by reason of relationship, association, convention, or accidental resemblance; especially :a visible sign of something invisible
    • the lion is a symbol of courage.


    Figurative:

    expressing one thing in terms normally denoting another with which it may be regarded as analogous :metaphorical
    • figurative language


    • in a figurative sense, civilization marches up and down
    • —Lewis Mumford


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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    Seeing as the opponents of Covenant Eschatology are bringing up the millennium in a thread discussing dispensationalism and progressive dispensationalism in an attempt to derail the thread this is their opportunity to have it out in whether John's millennial reign in the book of revelation is symbolic or literal.

    Rev 20:6 (Young's Literal) Happy and holy is he who is having part in the first rising again; over these the second death hath not authority, but they shall be priests of God and of the Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    There are differences between the two....

    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abcdef View Post
    Jesus was the 1st resurrection, 1 Cor 15:23-28.

    When He resurrected, He brought with Him a host of captives, Eph 4:8, from paradise.

    These would be the 144,000,

    the multitude that no man can count (MNMCC),

    the 24 elders,

    those seen over the sea of glass in Rev 15,

    those who rule with Jesus for a symbolic 1000 yrs.


    For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone can get the 144,000 from the captive of paradise. WOW. Or the Symbolic 1000 Years.
    Like the Bereans in Acts 17:11 (KJV) "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    With Jesus Christ as your savior, The Holy Spirit will teach you if you are willing to learn from Him. He will guide you in daily activities if you will listen to Him. He will protect and maintain your soul in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit if you will let Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prove-all View Post
    Jesus Himself said, definitely, that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob shall be
    in that glorious and glorified Kingdom (Luke 13:28).


    Should we not see them here if this kingdom is now?
    The kingdom began on Pentecost.

    Jesus has been ruling the kingdom from heaven.

    The glory kingdom that Jesus speaks of in Lk. has yet to come.

    The "kingdom of God" v.29, happens after the kingdom has been delivered up to the Father,

    After death is destroyed 1 Cor 15:23-28, Rev 20:14.

    This is the glory kingdom that Jesus is speaking about.

    It is not going to be on planet earth at that time or ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladerunner View Post
    For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone can get the 144,000 from the captive of paradise. WOW. Or the Symbolic 1000 Years.
    When Jesus was resurrected, He brought many souls with Him.

    They are seen with Jesus in 96 ad (approx.), at the vision of Revelation.

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