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#81
You misunderstand----------
Your Calvinist view is contrary to Scripture.
Salvation is offered to all, not just the chosen.
Explain the following in light of your stance

The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil
 

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#82
Explain the following in light of your stance

The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil
The Hebrew word translated there as "purpose" is ma’aneh (#04617 מַעֲנֶה) and it means "answer, or response".

Strong's Hebrew: 4617. מַעֲנֶה (maaneh) -- an answer, response

God has an answer for every behavior, including a response for those who choose to do evil.

God does not predetermine which people will be good and which people will be evil. Likewise He does not determine whom He will save. God wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11). But if they don't, there's a day of judgment coming, and God will have an answer for how the wicked chose to behave.
 

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#83
The Hebrew word translated there as "purpose" is ma’aneh (#04617 מַעֲנֶה) and it means "answer, or response".

Strong's Hebrew: 4617. מַעֲנֶה (maaneh) -- an answer, response

God has an answer for every behavior, including a response for those who choose to do evil.

God does not predetermine which people will be good and which people will be evil. Likewise He does not determine whom He will save. God wants the wicked to turn from their evil ways so they might live (Eze 33:11). But if they don't, there's a day of judgment coming, and God will have an answer for how the wicked chose to behave.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
4. for himself—"for its answer," or "purpose," that is, according to God's plan; the wicked are for the day of evil (Ps 49:5; Jer 17:18); sinning and suffering answer to each other, are indissolubly united.

All is according to God's plan. whether we like it or not.
 
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#84
Explain the following in light of your stance

The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil
Shrume, post #82, said it better than I can and I agree with him.
 
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Shrume, post #82, said it better than I can and I agree with him.
While I agree with some of what he states...there are exceptions that do not agree with his conclusion...such as Pharaoh (a lost man) who was raised up by God to make his power known.....Judas the SON OF PERDITION....and others......the saying Even the wicked for the day of evil does not fit the concept of the Lord making everything for his own ANSWER....it does fit PURPOSE THOUGH
 
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ok. So I cant even say I follow the Messiah and He has shown me the way Im being self righteous? Are you looking for a excuse to accuse?



This is not true and even if it were how would you even know that? Can you find a single post where I used anothers teaching directly or indirectly concerning Scripture?
Actually, I can answer your last two questions. You're an open book. (That's not a bad thing. I am too.)
1. You've shown it on your "About me" page. Included in your verses on the "About" section of your page you included translations from sources other than the Bible to clarify what you think the Bible says. Since they're Bible aids, clearly all your sources aren't strictly from the Bible.

2. You also include "Yahchanan" as one of the words when quoting scripture. Since you say you're from Lithuania, I checked. "Yahchanan" isn't a Baltic word. And, being American, clearly it isn't English, so, although the verses are in English, and I have no idea which Bible you use, it's clearly a specific Bible that goes along with your beliefs.

3. You use Yeshua, instead of Jesus. In the Baltic language of Lithuania, the word for Jesus is... Jesus. Just as it is in America. But you chose these other words.

Certainly not from the usual sundry Bibles used by English-speaking countries, which shows you do get your teaching from something besides your typical English Bible.

You have a philosophy that goes along with the beliefs you have in the Bible. I really don't know what it is, but it's not your own private philosophy, and you certainly picked it up somewhere along the way.

So, you are a student/follower/whatever-you-want-to-call-it of that, as surely as we are students/followers/whatever-you-want-to-call-that of Calvin. Sure, seriously, you can say you follow Christ, just as Calvinists can say we follow Christ, BUT it does NOT mean we "follow Calvin" in lieu of Jesus, anymore than whoever you follow means in lieu of Jesus.

Matter of fact, I have read no more than FB memes on statements Calvin made, and yet I am a Calvinist.

Would you like to boldly state who you follow? Because I really don't get what your belief are that has you calling Jesus Yeshua and calling John
Yahchanan, but I have been curious about it. And, since you assume we follow Calvin in a way we don't, but I just tried to explain that, I hope you get my question isn't accusatory. It's curiosity.
 
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Thanks for coming out in the open as being against proper contextual interpretation in favor of tradition.
Actually, I kind of agree with him because most Calvinists don't become Calvinists at regeneration. We become Calvinists while studying scripture.
 

phil36

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Actually, I kind of agree with him because most Calvinists don't become Calvinists at regeneration. We become Calvinists while studying scripture.
Lol, this is quite true (well for alot of people).. the default position is arminian (the remnant part of us that says I am) :p
 
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You misunderstand----------
Your Calvinist view is contrary to Scripture.
Salvation is offered to all, not just the chosen.
No, you misunderstand. We know that. We just also know not all are chosen, so no one is accepting salvation unless they're chosen.

It really does help to understand something before condemning it. Otherwise you remind me of the kid with the glasses in Polar Express.
 

maxwel

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Actually, I kind of agree with him because most Calvinists don't become Calvinists at regeneration. We become Calvinists while studying scripture.

You see...

too much study really IS bad for a person.




Hey, don't get upset about me teasing you;
it was predestined.



: )
 
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I want to hear from you- your ideas, your thoughts, your bible study conclusions. Anyone can go to YouTube if they want to watch a video about a specific topic, but this is a discussion- not a movie theater. Such things like pictures and videos should be used as reference- not the main discussion.
Actually, Preach is excited about a new movie, which you could have figured out from his OP, and brought it to attention of others. And since so many are in this just to argue anyway, (like you), then he brought it to this forum where it doesn't become an argument for the non-arguing forums.
 
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I'm not into religious art by any means

but you find no difference between hanging an image of Jesus (even though it prob never looks like him) and hanging an image of Calvin?



okay

if you say so

but I agree on hanging either one
Does any churches hang Calvin's portraits in their sanctuaries?
 
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Actually, I kind of agree with him because most Calvinists don't become Calvinists at regeneration. We become Calvinists while studying scripture.
Cool, I've forgotten what the argument was even about.

Here it is to refresh my memory:

Are you a Calvinist?
Of course. One cannot honestly read the Scriptures in context and not be one.
I respect your right to be totally wrong.
Thanks for coming out in the open as being against proper contextual interpretation in favor of tradition.
Yes, after study we do. Was it Whitefield that said we are all arminians at first, but by the grace of God we become Calvinists? Or maybe it was Spurgeon. I can't remember that, either.
 
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You may believe that God sends some to Hell without any opportunity to be saved if you wish, but that does not describe the God of my Bible, nor the God I worship.
 
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You may believe that God sends some to Hell without any opportunity to be saved if you wish, but that does not describe the God of my Bible, nor the God I worship.
I get you sir, it is a hard truth and practicing Romans 9:20 is obviously easier for you. Some have never heard and some are not chosen, but meat is for those mature in the Word.
 
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I get you sir, it is a hard truth and practicing Romans 9:20 is obviously easier for you. Some have never heard and some are not chosen, but meat is for those mature in the Word.
Don't assume you are more mature in the Word than those who disagree with you.
I can make the same assumption of you for what you believe.
 
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Do you Calvinist even bother to witness to others? If you do, WHY? Is it not a waste of time on your part?
 

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Cool, I've forgotten what the argument was even about.

Here it is to refresh my memory:

Yes, after study we do. Was it Whitefield that said "we are all arminians at first", but by the grace of God we become Calvinists? Or maybe it was Spurgeon. I can't remember that, either.
Here's one for the Preacher,

Spurgeon's Quotes:

Those particularly on Calvinism vs Arminianism and the Doctrines of Grace

On Irresistible Grace
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I believe that Christ came into the world not to put men into a salvable state, but into a saved state. Not to put them where they could save themselves, but to do the work in them and for them, from first to last. If I did not believe that there was might going forth with the word of Jesus which makes men willing, and which turns them from the error of their ways by the mighty, overwhelming, constraining force of divine influence, I should cease to glory in the cross of Christ. (Sermons, Vol. 3, p. 34)
"George Whitefield said, "We are all born Arminians." It is grace that turns us into Calvinists." (Sermons, Vol. 2, p. 124)

Attribute: Spurgeon's Quotes |The Reformed Reader
 
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phil36

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Do you Calvinist even bother to witness to others? If you do, WHY? Is it not a waste of time on your part?

Yes, you have heard of William Carey - Modern missions and all that ??

Spreading the Gospel is not a waste of time, we should be fervent in doing more and more!! It's the means by which God uses to save the soul who has ears to hear. may all men get to hear the true beautiful gospel. It humling to be entrusted with such a task to go and make disciples.

We need more missionaries and that's just in our own backyards.

I'm a Calvinist BTW.