Who is the God Jesus serves?

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theQuestiion

theQuestiion

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crossnote said:
The Son is Eternal God but as the God/man He subjects Himself to the Father.

John 8:58 NKJV
[58] Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
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"I Am" is the typical mistranslation of the Hebrew Name God used only once, and of which Jesus never used.
"Godman" is a fiction of CHURCHianity- unless you have 2 or 3: God SENT His son, He (or One of 'Them') didn't come Himself...AND Jesus was not "Eternal"- for he DIED- AGAIN contrary to CHURCHianity- but certainly not the Bible!
 
theQuestiion

theQuestiion

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NotmebutHim said:
Call me cynical, but threads of this sort eventually end up with the OP denying the Trinity and/or asserting that Jesus cannot possibly be God.
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You are correct, for Truth is Truth, and Church Dogma is usually just coprolite.
 
Snoozy

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what about john 1:1? it says the Word who is Jesus is God.
looks like ur doctrinetruck just ran into a brick wall
 
theQuestiion

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Zmouth said:
The Son is not eternal, as written in 1 Tim 6:16, "Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. "
To say that Jesus was referring unto himself doesn't even make sense grammatically, much less scripturally since it is written in John 5:31 "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."
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That is referring to Jesus' God.
MANY saw Jesus, and He was the ONE (Not Three) who GAVE Jesus his power.
 
theQuestiion

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crossnote said:
CJB Isaiah 9:5 For a child is born to us, a son is given to us; dominion will rest on his shoulders, and he will be given the name Pele-Yo'etz El Gibbor Avi-'Ad Sar-Shalom [Wonder of a Counselor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace],


DBY Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name is called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty *God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.


ESV Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


KJV Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.




NAS Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
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Who GIVES us this "Mighty Warrior/God/Tyrant" as the Hebrew words mean?
The One that does is ALSO referred to as such.
So ONE mighty warrior gives Israel ANOTHER one in the future...
 
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NotmebutHim said:
Call me cynical, but threads of this sort eventually end up with the OP denying the Trinity and/or asserting that Jesus cannot possibly be God.
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Hi cynical,

Me thinks you right
 
theQuestiion

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How many have then Courage to...Question?
Most didn't in Jesus' Day, and remained blind....

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NotmebutHim

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"No God The Son"

Think I called it! :cool:
 
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Maybe both versions are true, one can consider it. But you have to think outside the box.

We are all born in the image and likeness of God, what does that mean exactly?

Maybe we are God, and we are not God.

Maybe Jesus was born of God, and because he never sinned, he stayed of God, and therefore was God, while his body/flesh was not God.

If you paint me blue, and I stay painted blue forever, then you can say that I am blue, even though I am not blue, but I am blue. Logic doesn't have the answers, illogical intelligence has the answers.

I drive a car, therefore I am a car driver. But when I am not driving a car, I am still a car driver, even though I am not driving a car.

Maybe God is in our make up. And to say that, I am God, is not necessarily saying I am THE God, but I am a part of God, I am part God. Or maybe God is not in our make up in the slightest, not one single part of us, and then one could say I am not God, because I am not a part of God, I am not partly God.

But it is our free will which defines this. If we say that we are not God, then what our ego does without us knowing, is it defines Self as God. And people may come with their opinions and thoughts, not discerning where it came from; God or themselves.

I personally believe God is in our make up, otherwise we would be incapable of love. God is Love. So if you have pushed love out of your make up of self, then you have pushed God out of your life, no matter how righteous you believe your self to be (self-belief).
 
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theQuestiion said:
"I Am" is the typical mistranslation of the Hebrew Name God used only once, and of which Jesus never used.
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Mistranslation? You clearly don't know Hebrew and Greek (I do).

"Godman" is a fiction of CHURCHianity-
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No, put like that it is a fiction of the Jehovahs Witnesses who like to think terms mean what they want them to mean.

God SENT His son, He (or One of 'Them') didn't come Himself...
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It means EXACTLY that. God sent, not a man, nor an angel but His SON. In other words He Came with the nature of God.,

AND Jesus was not "Eternal"- for he DIED-
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So you think He is dead? The SON did not die, only the human part of Him died. But His Spirit lived on. Even before He rose He would be in Paraidese


AGAIN contrary to CHURCHianity- but certainly not the Bible!
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You mean the New World Perversion?
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
call me cynical 2.0, but we have the question and you may have supplied the answer
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like I said

the devil is in the details...again...and the details have now been supplied
 
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7seasrekeyed

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ps...don't waste your time

the exchange is not honest but carry on because you will anyway
 
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