Is something wrong with people?

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mcubed

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I read a post tonight a person defending themselves typing the word Yashua. Yes, they are wrong it is Yeshua (Yashua is not even a name for Jesus but kudos to them for trying). I always type Y-shua instead. And I always type the word G-d. Now I have never in 4 years had someone give me flack about Y-shua but have had many questions, even accused as “better than” because I type G-d.

I never really mind I think people are just ignorant. But tell me what is wrong with you people? Do you think you are inferior that you must make big deal out of something so small?
 

Nehemiah6

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I never really mind I think people are just ignorant. But tell me what is wrong with you people? Do you think you are inferior that you must make big deal out of something so small?
Nothing wrong with people or Yahshua (you spelled it Yashua which is not exactly correct). Yahshua is perfectly correct since it is derived from YAH = God and shua = salvation. "Jesus" means God is our salvation. Salvation is a Divine Person.

But it does not matter whether you write Yeshua, Yahshua, Joshua, Yehoshua, Iesous, or Jesus. What is more important is whether Christians write or say "the Lord Jesus Christ" instead of simply Yeshua or Yahshua. Why? Because that is how God has designated Him after His resurrection. He has made Him both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36) so simply saying Yeshua is inappropriate. He is no longer Jesus of Nazareth walking the roads of Galilee and Judea. He is now seated at the right hand of the Father and will come "with power and great glory". (And omitting vowels is totally unnecessary).
 

Hizikyah

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Psalm 44:20-21, "If we have forgotten Your Name, YHWH, or if we stretched out our hands to hinder gods, Would You not search this out, YHWH? For You know the secrets of the heart."



and his name is JESUS....you have a problem with calling him JESUS or do you feel more holy by sayin YAH.......
What? Who said anything about calling Him JEsus or this or that about me calling Him Yah? What I see is you seem to have a problem with me. His name is Yahshua and His Fathers name is YHWH, Im accused as possibly being holier than thou because I use His real name?

G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
[of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]
KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3442
See also: H3091

H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
1. he will save.
2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel.
[for H3091]
KJV: Jeshua.
Root(s): H3091

H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p.
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
1. Yahweh-saved.
2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader.
[from H3068 and H3467]
KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Root(s): H3068, H3467

יהוה YHWH
יהושע Yahshua
Not a point for contention I do want to pint out tho, in the Henrew letters;
יה
Yod
י

Heyה


or YH

Without vowel points;
יהושע


With vowel points;
יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
 
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I just use JESUS.....and personally....I see no reason to not say God or JESUS.....many see the words G-d or Yeshua/Yashua and get turned off from anything said after that....I suppose the same is true with JESUS and God as well....but we are not Greeks or Hebrews and the people we deal with for the most part understand Jesus and or God........and to be frank...sometimes the people who use the bolded put off a certain "Holier than thou" attitude.....NOT ALL...but some for sure.........like the name JESUS offends them /or something......

Just saying...not griping....
 
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Psalm 44:20-21, "If we have forgotten Your Name, YHWH, or if we stretched out our hands to hinder gods, Would You not search this out, YHWH? For You know the secrets of the heart."







G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
[of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]
KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3442
See also: H3091

H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
1. he will save.
2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel.
[for H3091]
KJV: Jeshua.
Root(s): H3091

H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p.
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
1. Yahweh-saved.
2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader.
[from H3068 and H3467]
KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Root(s): H3068, H3467

יהוה YHWH
יהושע Yahshua
Not a point for contention I do want to pint out tho, in the Henrew letters;
יה
Yod
י

Heyה


or YH

Without vowel points;
יהושע


With vowel points;
יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
Post the rest of our conversation and are you a Hebrew?

Does not matter....it is faith that saves and justifies....a man cannot obey unless saved already....and JESUS was clear..the work of the FATHER is to believe....that is what this thread is about....NOT LAW KEEPING or Sabbaths or any other such topic....You guys come in here and push this law abiding, vanilla twist works based false gospel and then expect us to fawn all over it.....and his name is JESUS....you have a problem with calling him JESUS or do you feel more holy by sayin YAH.......

THEN YOU ACCUSED ME OF ACCUSING and I responded...

I did not accuse...I asked....
and the only problem I have is your incessant blend of law keeping and works with faith to seemingly push a café blend gospel that PAUL calls accursed, false, different, having no power and all who believe and espouse it are called foolish and bewitched.....so....what say you!
 
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Hizikyah

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Post the rest of our conversation and are you a Hebrew?
Im not going to post the entire convo, if you want to go ahead, that was it pertaning to the OP, one can click on the link to take them to the rest of it. Also I never even made comment about this name or that, you pulled it out of your own mind. And yes I am a Hebrew, Hebrew is not a race (one can say sons of Eber, but I believe if the Abraham principle is looked at, yes), Abraham became the first Hebrew when he "crossed over" he left Babylon and it's pagan customs and came to know Yah. Now with that said, I am not Jewish, I am a former gentile grafted in.

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Mat 15:24, “And He answering, said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisra’yl.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Rom 11:16-31, “Now if the first-fruit is set-apart, the lump is also. And if the root is set-apart, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you! You shall say then, “The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Good! By unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by belief. Do not be arrogant, but fear. For if Yah did not spare the natural branches, He might not spare you either. See then the kindness and sharpness of Yah: on those who fell sharpness, but toward you kindness, if you continue in His kindness, otherwise you also shall be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in, for Yah is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’ĕl, until the completeness of the gentiles has come in. And so all Yisra’ĕl shall be saved, as it has been written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Tsiyon, and He shall turn away wickedness from Ya‛aqoḇ, and this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins. Truly, as regards the Good News they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of Yah are not to be repented of. For as you also at one time disobeyed Yah, but now have obtained compassion through their disobedience, so also these have now disobeyed, that through the compassion shown you they also might obtain compassion.”
 
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Im not going to post the entire convo, if you want to go ahead, that was it pertaning to the OP, one can click on the link to take them to the rest of it. Also I never even made comment about this name or that, you pulled it out of your own mind. And yes I am a Hebrew, Hebrew is not a race (one can say sons of Eber, but I believe if the Abraham principle is looked at, yes), Abraham became the first Hebrew when he "crossed over" he left Babylon and it's pagan customs and came to know Yah. Now with that said, I am not Jewish, I am a former gentile grafted in.

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Mat 15:24, “And He answering, said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisra’yl.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; ‘You are my Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of my salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Rom 11:16-31, “Now if the first-fruit is set-apart, the lump is also. And if the root is set-apart, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you! You shall say then, “The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Good! By unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by belief. Do not be arrogant, but fear. For if Yah did not spare the natural branches, He might not spare you either. See then the kindness and sharpness of Yah: on those who fell sharpness, but toward you kindness, if you continue in His kindness, otherwise you also shall be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, shall be grafted in, for Yah is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more shall these who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not wish you to be ignorant of this secret, brothers, lest you should be wise in your own estimation, that hardening in part has come over Yisra’ĕl, until the completeness of the gentiles has come in. And so all Yisra’ĕl shall be saved, as it has been written, “The Deliverer shall come out of Tsiyon, and He shall turn away wickedness from Ya‛aqoḇ, and this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins. Truly, as regards the Good News they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of Yah are not to be repented of. For as you also at one time disobeyed Yah, but now have obtained compassion through their disobedience, so also these have now disobeyed, that through the compassion shown you they also might obtain compassion.”
Like I thought...you are not Hebrew......in Christ there is neither JEW nor Gentile but a NEW CREATION....not an old one renamed.....!
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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Since I've been a member here, more than a few people have felt it their duty to inform me about my use of the word "Yahweh", and they go on some sort of self-righteous diatribe, complete with sources, about how the actual word cannot be known, and how it "should be YHWH at the maximum"...blah, blah, blah.

People, by and large, are lacking confidence, and they seek anything they can find that they can use to try and boost their lacking self-esteem. It's kind of sad, but it's understandable. People, men especially, like to be seen as experts and they will seek out opportunities to "instruct" others because their self esteem needs the external validation. It's sad, but when looked at with a more objective viewpoint, it's kind of funny and entertaining.
 

Hizikyah

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Proverbs 30:4, "Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound up the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name? And what is the Name of His Son? Tell me, if you know!"

Psalms 111:9, “He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”

Isayah 42:8, "I am YHWH, that is MY NAME; and My glory I will not give to another, nor My praise to graven images."

Psalm 113:1-3, "
Praise Yah! Praise, O servants of יהוה, Praise the Name of יהוה ! Blessed be the Name of יהוה, Now and forever! From the rising of the sun to its going down, The Name of יהוה is praised.”
 

phil36

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I've got no problem with people using terms like Yeshua, Yahweh etc. But why use the transliteration Would it not easier just to use the language that God has given us in our own countries..So in english it would be Jesus . (BTW Jesus is a transliteration of a transliteration). The New testament writers didn't have a problem with using the language of their day. The NT was written in Greek after all.

I think some may use the it to make them sound more Hebrew, I don't know.

Anyhow does it really matter?
 

Hizikyah

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I've got no problem with people using terms like Yeshua, Yahweh etc. But why use the transliteration Would it not easier just to use the language that God has given us in our own countries..So in english it would be Jesus . (BTW Jesus is a transliteration of a transliteration). The New testament writers didn't have a problem with using the language of their day. The NT was written in Greek after all.

I think some may use the it to make them sound more Hebrew, I don't know.

Anyhow does it really matter?
It's always an attack on ones character;

I think some may use the it to make them sound more Hebrew, I don't know.
It seems to mater more to the people who have some kind of issue with it.

The way I see it is, YHWH is His name, so I call Him by His name.

and

YHWH
Yahshua
are english


יהוה
יהושע

are Hebrew

Psalm 69:30, “I praise the Name of the Mighty One with a song, and I magnify Him with thanksgiving.”

Insane to me that people have issue with this.
 

Hizikyah

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PS I have been catch flak over this since I joined here, and even been outright told not to use His real name. Though some have asked and thianked for the truth, so some like some dislike.

Psalm 83:18, "Let men know that You, Whose Name Alone is YHWH, are the Supreme Head over all the earth!"
 

loveme1

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Yet so many folks boast of knowledge gained through learning the meaning of a word in Greek..

Mcubed I'm not sure what your trying to say because you are using G-d which is your preference as Yahshua is mine.. we are not to become superstitious.. and those that use G-d are free to as much as those who type Yahshua or Jesus which I don't fear using.. my Grandfather's grave contains Jesus and I know GOD is above all of us searching our hearts knowing us inwardly. The closest derived name in the Bible is Joshua which can be shown through the New Testament.

Then we come to learn that there is a New name to be revealed.. and should look forward to that :)
 

Hizikyah

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Ezekiyl 48:35, "“All around: eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city from that day is: יהוה is there!” (In Hebrew: יהוה Shammah)

Revelation 21:3-4, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father. And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

Revelation 2:17, “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes I shall give some of the hidden manna to eat. And I shall give him a white stone, and on the stone a renewed Name written which no one knows except him who receives it.”

Revelation 19:12, "And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself"
 
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This is informative, Thank you. I have been hoping to study my Jewish roots because I have recently discovered that my family blood like is Jewish. So I really appreciate you sharing this post. Be blessed in the name of YHWH.
 

Hizikyah

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This is informative, Thank you. I have been hoping to study my Jewish roots because I have recently discovered that my family blood like is Jewish. So I really appreciate you sharing this post. Be blessed in the name of YHWH.
Psalm 84:5, "Blessed is the man whose strength is in You, Your Highways are in their heart."

 
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SarahLaLuz

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Thank you for this post Hizikyah, May Yahweh bless you. I am excited to read your comments here it seems to me that you have a great understanding of the word and I would encourage you to continue. This post was a true blessing to me for I have just recently learned of my heritage as being Jewish and I appreciate your insight and perspective of the word. I also thought I was en grafted into the vine as you say, my heart cried out for more of Yahweh all through the years of growing up and now I am just over half a century in age, lol and yet my faith in Yeshua has grown and I have learned to love people more and in the ways of Yahweh rather than how the world sees things. Have a wonderful day and stay blessed.
 

Hizikyah

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Thank you for this post Hizikyah, May Yahweh bless you. I am excited to read your comments here it seems to me that you have a great understanding of the word and I would encourage you to continue. This post was a true blessing to me for I have just recently learned of my heritage as being Jewish and I appreciate your insight and perspective of the word. I also thought I was en grafted into the vine as you say, my heart cried out for more of Yahweh all through the years of growing up and now I am just over half a century in age, lol and yet my faith in Yeshua has grown and I have learned to love people more and in the ways of Yahweh rather than how the world sees things. Have a wonderful day and stay blessed.
It truly warms my heart to hear your desire to seek Yah! It is wonderful! Truly! We are all members of the same body of Messiah may we all be strengthened in His ways!

Psalm 67:1-5, “Yah does favor us and bless us, Cause His face to shine upon us. Selah. For Your way to be known on earth, Your deliverance among all nations. Let the peoples praise You, O Yah, Let all the peoples praise You. Let the nations be glad and sing for joy! For You judge the peoples uprightly, And lead the nations on earth. Selah. Let the peoples praise You, O Yah; Let all the peoples praise You. The earth shall give her increase; Yah, our own Strength, blesses us! Yah blesses us! And all the ends of the earth fear Him!”