Let's kill the anti-rhetoric concerning missions
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Hypocrisy. For the last couple of days, when I've been on BDF, I've been reading Preach or Sov's posts. And you've been throughout them making sure everyone hears what you have to say against Calvinism. Are you playing "Bobby says that Linda says that Paul says..." like in 5th grade? Because you are most assuredly responding, even if you aren't directed your responses to them most of the time.
Waaaay too old to play that game! It is cowardice! And you have the same levels they have. The only difference is they are aggressive and you are passive-aggressive. At least they aren't playing at humility like you do. Where is your fruit?
Waaaay too old to play that game! It is cowardice! And you have the same levels they have. The only difference is they are aggressive and you are passive-aggressive. At least they aren't playing at humility like you do. Where is your fruit?
we stay away from man-made-labels, except 'Christian', and try with all of our hearts
to stay committed to what Christ said was important, to identify and pattern
ourselves after Himself, just as He was and is today, nothing more and
nothing less, but just the very best that we can be, Love is the Key
that opens The Door...
to stay committed to what Christ said was important, to identify and pattern
ourselves after Himself, just as He was and is today, nothing more and
nothing less, but just the very best that we can be, Love is the Key
that opens The Door...
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Except that I'm not guessing. Calvinists very clearly say that some people are "elected" to be saved, and others are not.... (all this, before they are even born)..... and the ones that are not, have no choice in the matter. It's just their tough luck that they were not among the "elected", as they were.
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Bull!
And you say salvation is all about being able to decipher End Times right and teach people how to heal others.
Again, I can take part of what you say and make it into the whole thing too. And it's just as big a pile as what you say!
Considering we already went through "luck" -- you and me -- it's not even misunderstanding. It's intentionally misleading, just to make yourself look good.
And you say salvation is all about being able to decipher End Times right and teach people how to heal others.
Again, I can take part of what you say and make it into the whole thing too. And it's just as big a pile as what you say!
Considering we already went through "luck" -- you and me -- it's not even misunderstanding. It's intentionally misleading, just to make yourself look good.
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Why does everyone on this forum think Calvinists are followers of Calvin only, say we believe in luck, say we don't witness, say we don't believe in the gifts, etc.?
In truth, none is true, but since the ones out to prove Calvinism is false by lying about it, I'm just starting to call them "Arminians" until the catch the clue. And, not being one for subtly, can't say anyone should be missing the sarcasm with me. It's dripping as hard as a rain forest canopy in monsoon season.
In truth, none is true, but since the ones out to prove Calvinism is false by lying about it, I'm just starting to call them "Arminians" until the catch the clue. And, not being one for subtly, can't say anyone should be missing the sarcasm with me. It's dripping as hard as a rain forest canopy in monsoon season.
I said exactly what Calvinists declare.
Are you saying that a human does not have to be among "the elect" in order to be called by God? I say that God's invitation is to the entire world. Some accept it, and some don't. And that has nothing to do with the path they were designated to have to follow before they were even born.
Are you saying that a human does not have to be among "the elect" in order to be called by God? I say that God's invitation is to the entire world. Some accept it, and some don't. And that has nothing to do with the path they were designated to have to follow before they were even born.
I don't even see what the whole argument is even about....the bible is clear
a. God knew who would and who would not believe before he cast down the world in creation.
b.Many are called but few chosen
c. Many does not equal ALL
I can logically conclude the following
a. Not all are called
b. Of the many called only a few are chosen
The bible is also clear....God predetermined before he cast down the world that those who would come to him through Christ would be chosen......
If ALL are not called, but MANY....WE CAN BIBLICALLY conclude that SOME are not called and will not be CHOSEN...
How hard is it to accept these simple truths???
a. God knew who would and who would not believe before he cast down the world in creation.
b.Many are called but few chosen
c. Many does not equal ALL
I can logically conclude the following
a. Not all are called
b. Of the many called only a few are chosen
The bible is also clear....God predetermined before he cast down the world that those who would come to him through Christ would be chosen......
If ALL are not called, but MANY....WE CAN BIBLICALLY conclude that SOME are not called and will not be CHOSEN...
How hard is it to accept these simple truths???
Mt 22:2-14
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
KJV
This scene unfolds during Jesus' earthly ministry, not during the "Church' age.
Those Called were the nation of Judah. They were the ones to whom Jesus addressed His earthly ministry.
The wedding garment is Jesus imparted righteousness. It was and is acquired by trusting in Jesus rather than self for our relationship with God.
Those not called during Jesus' earthly ministry were called during the Church age by Him of whom Peter spoke, saying:
2 Pe 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
KJV
This scene unfolds during Jesus' earthly ministry, not during the "Church' age.
Those Called were the nation of Judah. They were the ones to whom Jesus addressed His earthly ministry.
The wedding garment is Jesus imparted righteousness. It was and is acquired by trusting in Jesus rather than self for our relationship with God.
Those not called during Jesus' earthly ministry were called during the Church age by Him of whom Peter spoke, saying:
2 Pe 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV
Because Turks have been killing off Armenians for a long time.
Now if you are referring to Arminians, that's another story. The Reformed have been "killing off" Arminians for a long time.
Exactly. But when people put on certain theological blinders, they cannot see that there are more than two camps in this controversy. Biblicists do not accept either Calvinism or Arminianism since there is a third option.
Now if you are referring to Arminians, that's another story. The Reformed have been "killing off" Arminians for a long time.
Exactly. But when people put on certain theological blinders, they cannot see that there are more than two camps in this controversy. Biblicists do not accept either Calvinism or Arminianism since there is a third option.