Let's kill the anti-rhetoric concerning missions

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John Calvin: Calvin sent missionaries from Geneva into France and as far away as Brazil. Most of these young men sent to France died a martyr’s death, but the church of Geneva continued to send them.

John Eliot: A missionary sent to the American Indians in the 1600’s. He is believed to be the first missionary among this people group. As many have said, if William Carey is the father of the modern mission’s movement, then John Eliot is its grandfather.

Davis Brainerd: A missionary to the American Indians in the 1700’s. Many historians believe that he has sent more individuals into the mission field than any other person in the history of the church via his diary, An Account of the Life of the Late Reverend David Brainerd.

Theodorus Frelinghuysen: The great evangelist and preacher, who set the stage for the First Great Awakening in the middle colonies.

Jonathan Edwards: The great theologian, writer, and preacher of the First Great Awakening. He was also a missionary to the Indians.

George Whitefield: The great voice and preacher of the First Great Awakening. He journeyed across the Atlantic Ocean thirteen times and scholars believe he preached over 18,000 sermons.

William Tennent: He founded the Log College, which later became Princeton University. This college trained pastors and provided many of the revivalist preachers of the First Great Awakening.

Samuel Davies: The famous President of the College of New Jersey (Princeton University), preacher of the First Great Awakening, and evangelist to the slaves of Virginia. It is believed that hundreds of slaves came to saving faith through his evangelism efforts.

Robert Moffat: The first missionary to reach the interior of Africa with the Gospel. He translated the entire Bible and Pilgrim’s Progess into Setswana.

David Livingstone: Arguably, the most famous missionary to the continent of Africa.

Robert Morrison: The first Protestant missionary to China and the first to translate the Bible into Chinese.

Peter Parker: An American physician and missionary to China who first introduced Western medical techniques to the Chinese. He also served as the president of the Medical Missionary Society of China.

Adinoram Judson: The famous missionary to Burma, translated the Bible into Burmese, and established multiple Baptist Churches in Burma. His mission work led many to enter the mission field and was foundational for forming the first Baptist association in America.

Charles Simeon: The vicar of Holy Trinity Church and the founding figure of the Church Missionary Society. This organization was instrumental in leading many students to the mission field. The Society itself has sent more than 9,000 missionaries into the world.

Henry Martyn: The renowned missionary to India and Persia. He preached in the face of opposition and translated the New Testament into a number of languages.

Samuel Swemer: He is affectionately known as “The Apostle to Islam.” His legacy includes efforts in Bahrain, Arabia, Egypt, and Asia Minor. His writing was used by the Lord to encourage and mobilize an entire generation of missionaries to labor in Islamic countries.

John Stott: Scholar, preacher, pastor, and evangelist of the twentieth century. He was one of the principle authors and the influential leader in establishing the Lausanne Covenant, which promoted world-wide evangelism.

Francis Schaeffer: Pastor and found of L’Abri, which has been used by the Lord to draw many to saving faith as they intellectually wrestled with the tenants of Christianity.

D. James Kennedy: The founder of Evangelism Explosion, which many believe is the most widely used evangelistic training curriculum in church history.

John Piper: Pastor, writer, and theologian, who has been used by the Lord to define missions and send many young people into the mission field.

Look at all these who hold to Calvinism. Now, some may be more Calvinistic in their beliefs than others, as I don't know each's stance one the TULIP.

But Calvinists are NOT anti-Missionary. They are very pro-Missions.

https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/kevindeyoung/2013/07/03/does-calvinism-kill-missions/
 

Nehemiah6

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But Calvinists are NOT anti-Missionary. They are very pro-Missions.
So do those missionaries honestly tell the unsaved "Listen, there is just no hope for some of you"? That's the logical Calvinistic gospel.
 
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You are on my burn pile list Neh...better luck next time...mmmmk?
 
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Here's a story about William Carey's time in India...

William Carey | Christian History


At a meeting of Baptist leaders in the late 1700s, a newly ordained minister(William Carey) stood to argue for the value of overseas missions. He was abruptly interrupted by an older minister who said, "Young man, sit down! You are an enthusiast. When God pleases to convert the heathen, he'll do it without consulting you or me."

This right here is where ppl conflate Calvinism with hyper-Calvinism. Hyper-Calvinism teaches that God saves His elect, even w/o the proclamation of the gospel. Mainstream Calvinists consider that anathema.
 
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John Calvin: Calvin sent missionaries from Geneva into France and as far away as Brazil. Most of these young men sent to France died a martyr’s death, but the church of Geneva continued to send them.

John Eliot: A missionary sent to the American Indians in the 1600’s. He is believed to be the first missionary among this people group. As many have said, if William Carey is the father of the modern mission’s movement, then John Eliot is its grandfather.

Davis Brainerd: A missionary to the American Indians in the 1700’s. Many historians believe that he has sent more individuals into the mission field than any other person in the history of the church via his diary, An Account of the Life of the Late Reverend David Brainerd.

Theodorus Frelinghuysen: The great evangelist and preacher, who set the stage for the First Great Awakening in the middle colonies.

Jonathan Edwards: The great theologian, writer, and preacher of the First Great Awakening. He was also a missionary to the Indians.

George Whitefield: The great voice and preacher of the First Great Awakening. He journeyed across the Atlantic Ocean thirteen times and scholars believe he preached over 18,000 sermons.

William Tennent: He founded the Log College, which later became Princeton University. This college trained pastors and provided many of the revivalist preachers of the First Great Awakening.

Samuel Davies: The famous President of the College of New Jersey (Princeton University), preacher of the First Great Awakening, and evangelist to the slaves of Virginia. It is believed that hundreds of slaves came to saving faith through his evangelism efforts.

Robert Moffat: The first missionary to reach the interior of Africa with the Gospel. He translated the entire Bible and Pilgrim’s Progess into Setswana.

David Livingstone: Arguably, the most famous missionary to the continent of Africa.

Robert Morrison: The first Protestant missionary to China and the first to translate the Bible into Chinese.

Peter Parker: An American physician and missionary to China who first introduced Western medical techniques to the Chinese. He also served as the president of the Medical Missionary Society of China.

Adinoram Judson: The famous missionary to Burma, translated the Bible into Burmese, and established multiple Baptist Churches in Burma. His mission work led many to enter the mission field and was foundational for forming the first Baptist association in America.

Charles Simeon: The vicar of Holy Trinity Church and the founding figure of the Church Missionary Society. This organization was instrumental in leading many students to the mission field. The Society itself has sent more than 9,000 missionaries into the world.

Henry Martyn: The renowned missionary to India and Persia. He preached in the face of opposition and translated the New Testament into a number of languages.

Samuel Swemer: He is affectionately known as “The Apostle to Islam.” His legacy includes efforts in Bahrain, Arabia, Egypt, and Asia Minor. His writing was used by the Lord to encourage and mobilize an entire generation of missionaries to labor in Islamic countries.

John Stott: Scholar, preacher, pastor, and evangelist of the twentieth century. He was one of the principle authors and the influential leader in establishing the Lausanne Covenant, which promoted world-wide evangelism.

Francis Schaeffer: Pastor and found of L’Abri, which has been used by the Lord to draw many to saving faith as they intellectually wrestled with the tenants of Christianity.

D. James Kennedy: The founder of Evangelism Explosion, which many believe is the most widely used evangelistic training curriculum in church history.

John Piper: Pastor, writer, and theologian, who has been used by the Lord to define missions and send many young people into the mission field.

Look at all these who hold to Calvinism. Now, some may be more Calvinistic in their beliefs than others, as I don't know each's stance one the TULIP.

But Calvinists are NOT anti-Missionary. They are very pro-Missions.

https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/kevindeyoung/2013/07/03/does-calvinism-kill-missions/
AMEN...how shall they hear except one be sent..............! The word of God does one of two things....draws men to salvation or pushes them away and makes them accountable.......either way it accomplishes what God wants it to accomplish......!
 

maxwel

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So do those missionaries honestly tell the unsaved "Listen, there is just no hope for some of you"? That's the logical Calvinistic gospel.

Now look guys, I know this isn't what Reformed missionaries say or do...

but it was still kinda funny.


: )
 
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Now look guys, I know this isn't what Reformed missionaries say or do...

but it was still kinda funny.


: )
But that's the rhetoric we get thrown at us.

Mods, can someone change the OP title to "Let's kill the anti-Calvinist rhetoric concerning missions"?

I goofed when I wrote the OP title.
 
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Now look guys, I know this isn't what Reformed missionaries say or do...

but it was still kinda funny.


: )
You want a black eye? Well, I can't give you black eyes can I, 'clops?

It would be a shame to throw one of these at you...

 

maxwel

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SovereignGrace,

Let me just pose an idea, something to consider.


It upsets you when people misrepresent your side, and your views, right?
I understand that.

Is it within the realm of possibility that the Calvinist side might sometimes misrepresent the Arminian side?
Is this at least feasible?
Is it at least feasible that it happens "some" of the time?



Might this account for why both sides are always so upset with each other?

: )


Goodnight Bro, it's way past my bedtime.
 
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SovereignGrace,

Let me just pose an idea, something to consider.


It upsets you when people misrepresent your side, and your views, right?
I understand that.

Is it within the realm of possibility that the Calvinist side might sometimes misrepresent the Arminian side?
Is this at least feasible?
Is it at least feasible that it happens "some" of the time?



Might this account for why both sides are always so upset with each other?

: )


Goodnight Bro, it's way past my bedtime.
Seeing, that I was once where they are now, Brother 'clops, I know their weaknesses inside and out. I am not misrepresenting them. I used to believe what they believe now.
 

Magenta

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John Stott: Scholar, preacher, pastor, and evangelist of the twentieth century. He was one of the principle authors and the influential leader in establishing the Lausanne Covenant, which promoted world-wide evangelism.
John Stott was a world-renowned British evangelical theologian and a prolific author. He was one of the 20th Century’s most respected religious leaders. TIME magazine had once named him as one of the world’s “100 Most Influential People” and he had also been called the most influential clergyman in the Church of England during the twentieth century. Stott was the author of such well-known works as Why I am a Christian, Understanding the Bible, and Basic Christianity.

John Stott also believed in the concept of annihilationism, i.e., that the souls of the lost are eventually allowed to perish instead of burning throughout eternity in the lake of fire of a literal hell. Stott’s belief in annihilationism ran contrary to the beliefs of the Anglican Church and many other mainstream Christian denominations.
https://www.allaboutgod.com/john-stott-annihilationism-faq.htm

He defended himself against critics by saying that the true marks of an evangelical were a commitment to study the Bible and to submit to its authority, not the tyranny of doctrinal traditions.

Peter Parker:
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Nehemiah6

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You are on my burn pile list Neh...better luck next time...mmmmk?
Sounds pretty evil to me. Not how a Christian brother should be talking. I thought only the Catholics had burn piles for the Reformers. Now the Reformed have burn pile lists for other Christians. Wow!
 
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John Stott was a world-renowned British evangelical theologian and a prolific author. He was one of the 20th Century’s most respected religious leaders. TIME magazine had once named him as one of the world’s “100 Most Influential People” and he had also been called the most influential clergyman in the Church of England during the twentieth century. Stott was the author of such well-known works as Why I am a Christian, Understanding the Bible, and Basic Christianity.

John Stott also believed in the concept of annihilationism, i.e., that the souls of the lost are eventually allowed to perish instead of burning throughout eternity in the lake of fire of a literal hell. Stott’s belief in annihilationism ran contrary to the beliefs of the Anglican Church and many other mainstream Christian denominations.
https://www.allaboutgod.com/john-stott-annihilationism-faq.htm

He defended himself against critics by saying that the true marks of an evangelical were a commitment to study the Bible and to submit to its authority, not the tyranny of doctrinal traditions.

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I think conditional immortality is a horrible(heretical) teaching. Like I said, all these Calvinists I listed in the OP have varying views.
 
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IIRC, conditional immortality was pushed on here before. Am I correct in this?
 

Magenta

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I think conditional immortality is a horrible(heretical) teaching. Like I said, all these Calvinists I listed in the OP have varying views.
How is it a horrible teaching that life ever after is found only in Christ?

Scripture also explicitly states that only God is immortal :)
 
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How is it a horrible teaching that life ever after is found only in Christ?

Scripture also explicitly states that only God is immortal :)
Conditional immortality is another name for annihilationialism. It teaches that only those in Christ will live forever. All those who died lost will burn up in hell like a piece of paper and be no more.
 

Hizikyah

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'Burn pile' is another name for my ignore list. Another log is another name for that one that gets added to it.
Oh, I thought you were making a joke about how the catholic used to burn people at the stake, heh, may want to avoid using that one, people may get the wrong idea.