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Please cite verses.
These verse don't say "One God in three persons" they use the Hebrew word "Echad" which simply means the singular "one". Not an a plurality known by one name: "one group" for instance like The Church is One bride even though it is made up of multiple believers. "Echad" does not carry that meaning.
These verse don't say "One God in three persons" they use the Hebrew word "Echad" which simply means the singular "one". Not an a plurality known by one name: "one group" for instance like The Church is One bride even though it is made up of multiple believers. "Echad" does not carry that meaning.
So you don't have any verses with the word "Trinity" or any that explicitly say God is made up of three individuals?
Also, I never said "Jesus" wasn't God, I simply disagree with your interpretation of what that means.
I will also find issue with you statement of unrighteous judgment that I must not be a "Christian" simply because we disagree on the nature of God.
The phrase "Christian" means "Christ-like". Christ is the English equivalent to the Hebrew "Mashiach" and the Greek "Critsos" meaning "Messiah".
So, "Christian" means "one who is like the Messiah" so as to say "one who walks as The Messiah walked"
Agreeing with the very nature of believers as defined in 1 John 2:6 saying, "whoever abides in Him(Yeshua/Jesus) must also walk just as He walked." That is to say live, just as He lived.
How did The Messiah live His life? In obedience to His Father's commandments. Which is what many "Christians" such as yourself seem to completely ignore and teach as irrelevant.
Also, I never said "Jesus" wasn't God, I simply disagree with your interpretation of what that means.
I will also find issue with you statement of unrighteous judgment that I must not be a "Christian" simply because we disagree on the nature of God.
The phrase "Christian" means "Christ-like". Christ is the English equivalent to the Hebrew "Mashiach" and the Greek "Critsos" meaning "Messiah".
So, "Christian" means "one who is like the Messiah" so as to say "one who walks as The Messiah walked"
Agreeing with the very nature of believers as defined in 1 John 2:6 saying, "whoever abides in Him(Yeshua/Jesus) must also walk just as He walked." That is to say live, just as He lived.
How did The Messiah live His life? In obedience to His Father's commandments. Which is what many "Christians" such as yourself seem to completely ignore and teach as irrelevant.
Your telling him hes not CHristian, what? What is wrong with you.
Romans 14:4
New Living Translation
Who are you to condemn someone else's servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord's help, they will stand and receive his approval.
What does his view of the trinity have to do with accepting Jesus?
Is that a verse from 1 Opinions 6:6, "Thou only saveth if you thinkith Im threeith"
I have yet to meat a person that can quantify the Creator of all that is...
Romans 14:4
New Living Translation
Who are you to condemn someone else's servants? Their own master will judge whether they stand or fall. And with the Lord's help, they will stand and receive his approval.
What does his view of the trinity have to do with accepting Jesus?
Is that a verse from 1 Opinions 6:6, "Thou only saveth if you thinkith Im threeith"
I have yet to meat a person that can quantify the Creator of all that is...
You're not even reading what I have written. You are like unto a child that puts his fingers in his ears and proceeds to yell "blah, blah, blah" while someone is trying to speak to you. Get out of your self-made echo chamber and have a rational discussion.
I have accepted Yeshua as my Messiah, Lord, and Savior.
I have accepted Yeshua as my Messiah, Lord, and Savior.
Your logic is faulty here. Asking for citations says absolutely nothing about someone's beliefs. Don't make unwarranted assumptions, and don't put words in other people's mouths.
Not believing in the Trinity is not, by itself, an indicator of saving faith. Many people believe in Jesus before they believe in the Trinity. None of us comes into the faith with complete understanding. Perhaps you could give the kid a break.
Not believing in the Trinity is not, by itself, an indicator of saving faith. Many people believe in Jesus before they believe in the Trinity. None of us comes into the faith with complete understanding. Perhaps you could give the kid a break.
Well redeemed, the word "monotheism" is not in the bible but yet from reading the bible we know there is only one God, period, so your point is "mute." Secondly, we already know that God the Father is identified as God in the bible, we also know that Jesus Christ is identified as God at John 1:1-14, John 20:28 and 2 Peter 1:1 just to name a few. The Holy Spirit is identifed as God at Acts 5:4 and at Genesis 1:2. Anymore questions? 
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well redeemed, the word "monotheism" is not in the bible but yet from reading the bible we know there is only one God, period, so your point is "mute." Secondly, we already know that God the Father is identified as God in the bible, we also know that Jesus Christ is identified as God at John 1:1-14, John 20:28 and 2 Peter 1:1 just to name a few. The Holy Spirit is identifed as God at Acts 5:4 and at Genesis 1:2. Anymore questions?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
See, now this is a logical way to have a discussion.
Monotheism is a man made term to express mankind's understanding.
I never mentioned "monotheism". I made reference to 2 verses, one in Deuteronomy 6 and another in Mark that show Yeshua quoting the very same verse. So, I don't see how my point was made mute???
I am in agreement with the words of Yeshua before the words of anyone else.
The phrases, "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" are not in scripture.
I don't care about exegetical or theological opinions. I care what the Scripture have to say about the situation.
Yes, "Jesus" is identified as God, no doubt and that isn't being disputed at all.
I am disagreeing with conclusions drawn from this fact.
Yes, Ananias lies to The Holy Spirit(Ruach Ha-Kodesh) and is killed because it is seen as lying to God.
"Ruach" is a Hebrew word and is translated as "Spirit". However Ruach also carries the understanding of "spirit, breath, wind, a force".
So the "Holy Spirit" is The "Holy Force" from God.
I hold to the belief that there is only One God. And this God has decided to express HIMSELF in different ways.
I hold that we as mankind in our mortal and finite understanding and existence can not comprehend the complexity of the nature of God.
God is One. He expresses HIMSELF in HIS son, Yeshua, being God in the flesh. HIS Spirit is the force by which HE enacts HIS will upon the Earth. We don't worship the Spirit, We don't worship the man that was Yeshua, but we worship the deity of Yeshua and through Him we worship the Father. Yeshua says that He and His Father are One. Not two. Therefore if God is One as HE says in HIS word and again in the words spoken by Yeshua then I cannot say that God is three distinct individuals combined are One because nowhere in scripture is that stated explicitly.
I cannot agree with a teaching that isn't explicitly stated in Scripture.
I accept the deity of Christ. I just don't accept the man made explanation of what that means.
In Revelation the throne of God is mentioned 38 times. At times the image of the father is pictured, other times the Son or Lamb is pictured, and last but not least the spirit is pictured. All three are God. For proof of the son read John chapter 1. It identifies Jesus as God incarnate.
In many places between Genesis and Revelation the Spirit of God is talked about.
Your theology is very flawed.
In many places between Genesis and Revelation the Spirit of God is talked about.
Your theology is very flawed.
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Now Gen 18 and 19, where three “men” appeared to Abraham and Lot.
Clergy say it was the Trinity (Father, Son and Ghost]... Let’s see what the ACCOUNT says-
Gen 18:1- And Jehovah appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre. And he sat at the tent-door in the heat of the day.
2-And he lifted up his eyes and saw, and behold, three
>>> men <<< standing near him. And when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent-door, and
bowed himself to the earth,
3-and said, Lord, if now I have found favor in thine eyes, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant.
4-Let now a little water be fetched, that ye may wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.
8-And he took thick and sweet milk, and the calf that he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood before
them under the tree,and
>>> they ate. <<<
Did God become three MEN? Was 'GodJesus' here, one of MANY times he became a man before the NT account?
Clergy say it was the Trinity (Father, Son and Ghost]... Let’s see what the ACCOUNT says-
Gen 18:1- And Jehovah appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre. And he sat at the tent-door in the heat of the day.
2-And he lifted up his eyes and saw, and behold, three
>>> men <<< standing near him. And when he saw [them], he ran to meet them from the tent-door, and
bowed himself to the earth,
3-and said, Lord, if now I have found favor in thine eyes, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant.
4-Let now a little water be fetched, that ye may wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree.
8-And he took thick and sweet milk, and the calf that he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood before
them under the tree,and
>>> they ate. <<<
Did God become three MEN? Was 'GodJesus' here, one of MANY times he became a man before the NT account?
It's not the verses you quoted that are mute redeemed, it's the idea that just because a word like you said "trinity" is not in the bible does not mean the trinity is not taught in the Bible. My use of the word "montheism" is not in the Bible but montheism is taught in the Bible. That was my point.
You then said this: "The phrases, "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" are not in scripture.
I don't care about exegetical or theological opinions. I care what the Scripture have to say about the situation.
Yes, "Jesus" is identified as God, no doubt and that isn't being disputed at all.
I am disagreeing with conclusions drawn from this fact."
Since Jesus is clearly identified as God what does it mean when you say your disagreeing with conclusions drawn from this fact? Explain this statement of yours? And "NO" the Holy Spirit is not the Holy force of God, apparently you don't know why? You can't lie to a force, a breath etc. The Holy Spirit is a "distinct" person from God the Father and from God the Son. The Holy Spirit can be grieved, He can talk or give orders therefore again, the Holy Spirit is not a force.
You then said this: "We don't worship the man that was Yeshua, but we worship the deity of Yeshua and through Him we worship the Father." When you said "We" who is the "We" your talking about? When the Apostle Thomas made his declaration to Jesus Christ when He said to Jesus Christ, "My Lord and my God" this is the highest form of worship there is. You can't separate the Son's two natures from himself. The Son has two natures, one on His Fathers side which is deity and one on His mother's side which is human. This is why Jesus Himself referred to Himself and the "Son of God" and as the "Son of Man."
When you quoted John 10:30 where Jesus states, "I and the Father are one" what do you think that means redeemed? Can you please explain it to me? How are they one? It seems to me from reading your post your employing some Jw ideas, oneness pentecostal ideas and some trinitarian ideas. My trick knee tells me you came up with your teachings on your own. Tell me why I'm wrong?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You then said this: "The phrases, "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" are not in scripture.
I don't care about exegetical or theological opinions. I care what the Scripture have to say about the situation.
Yes, "Jesus" is identified as God, no doubt and that isn't being disputed at all.
I am disagreeing with conclusions drawn from this fact."
Since Jesus is clearly identified as God what does it mean when you say your disagreeing with conclusions drawn from this fact? Explain this statement of yours? And "NO" the Holy Spirit is not the Holy force of God, apparently you don't know why? You can't lie to a force, a breath etc. The Holy Spirit is a "distinct" person from God the Father and from God the Son. The Holy Spirit can be grieved, He can talk or give orders therefore again, the Holy Spirit is not a force.
You then said this: "We don't worship the man that was Yeshua, but we worship the deity of Yeshua and through Him we worship the Father." When you said "We" who is the "We" your talking about? When the Apostle Thomas made his declaration to Jesus Christ when He said to Jesus Christ, "My Lord and my God" this is the highest form of worship there is. You can't separate the Son's two natures from himself. The Son has two natures, one on His Fathers side which is deity and one on His mother's side which is human. This is why Jesus Himself referred to Himself and the "Son of God" and as the "Son of Man."
When you quoted John 10:30 where Jesus states, "I and the Father are one" what do you think that means redeemed? Can you please explain it to me? How are they one? It seems to me from reading your post your employing some Jw ideas, oneness pentecostal ideas and some trinitarian ideas. My trick knee tells me you came up with your teachings on your own. Tell me why I'm wrong?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto