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The TWO THOUSAND YEAR Slander!


The 'Holy' Trinity, the Triune 'Godhead', God-the-Father, God-the-Son, God-the- Holy Ghost, a 'Three-in-One' God!
For TWO THOUSAND YEARS this flimsily disguised Polytheism has been taught and programmed into our minds by CHURCHianity
Is it TRUE?
No. But they twist and mis-translate enough scriptures to fool the masses.
Originally, the Roman Universal ('Catholic') church tortured and killed those refusing to accept this Fabricated Trio.


However, the matter really CAN be easily cleared up WITH NO DOUBT by simply taking a closer look at the Bible, while setting Church Dogma aside!
If you WANT truth- pray for Understanding as you read these inspired words of our maker!
All scriptures giving insight as to who God and Christ are, and what the holy spirit is- from the very START of
the Bible (Genesis)- in ORDER- to the very END of it (Revelation).


We first start with the very first reference to the holy spirit:


Gen 1:2- And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God
moved upon the face of the waters.


Nothing to indicate a Ghost-God..."spirit' is the translation of the Hebrew word for "breath, wind"- an unseen force.
 
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Gen 1:26- And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...


CHURCHianity has Three God-Beings/Persons/Natures/Essences/Whatever talking among Themselves, but His son was there.
Also, so too, were the angels- who likely helped and assisted. Since he made men in His image, he also likely did to his messengers (angels)~
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Job 38:4-Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
5-Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6- On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone—
7- while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?


He Himself later tells us that it was His SON whom He made all things through.
 
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are u a jehovah's witness?
 

Dino246

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Let's see... new guy, 24 years old, saved in 1970, challenging core truths of Christianity.

I'd give him a week before he hits the road to Banville. Until then, I need to make more popcorn.
 

Radius

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There's so much evidence in the Bible leading to the fact that there are 3 persons, all the same God, 3 in 1 and 1 in 3.
Im too tired to rehash it for you, sorry. =(
 
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I don't think someone who can't even spell "Question" correctly in their name is qualified to teach me much.
 
Aug 8, 2017
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Like always the "new guy" has something to say while the others are to tired and old and rather eat.
 
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It's like if they ain't got something negative to say they ain't got **** to say
 

Locutus

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The OP is a JW - he was posting on the Carm forums.

Jesus never claimed to be the Father.

Yet from what is quoted from the old testament in the new it can be reasonably argued that Jesus was YHWH who was worshiped as God.

Paul uses Joel's prophecy to establish that Jesus as Lord is in fact the YHWH of the "old testament".

Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD (Hebrew = IEUE or YHWH) shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD (Hebrew = IEUE or YHWH) hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Rom 10:13 For
whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

This is a direct quote from Joel 2:32.

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? (Hebrew = IEUE or YWYH) and there is no God else beside me; a just God (Hebrew = EL) and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That
unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Paul:

Phil 2:10 That
at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phil 2:11 And that
every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

So here again Paul is equating or stating Jesus is the incarnate God of Israel YHWH.

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(Isa 41:4 KJV) Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD
(YWYH), the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts;
I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isa 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called;
I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

In the Book of Revelation - more correctly called "The Unveiling of Jesus Christ" the Lord Jesus is "revealing" himself as YHWH of the "old testament" to John and his readers:

Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega,
the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches...


Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not;
I am the first and the last:

Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

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John the Baptist is applying the prophecy of Isaiah to proclaim that Jesus is the Lord spoken of in that verse:


(Mat 3:3 KJV) For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness,
Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

(Isa 40:3 KJV) The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness,
Prepare ye the way of the LORD (Hebrew = IEUE YHYH), make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

There can be no more clearer indication from the above that the early Christians understood that Jesus was YHWH "the first and last" of the old testament.





 
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EPH. 4:4-5-6.
There is One Body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One Hope of your calling;

One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism,

One God and Father of all, Who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
 
Jul 23, 2017
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ok its a jw he is dodging the question im bored.
 
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1 + 1 + 1 = 3


1. The Father is God.

2. The Son is God

3. The Holy Spirit is God.

The Father is not the Son or Spirit.


1 + 1 + 1= 3

Do you know Jesus' God?
 

bluto

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Yes justshalllivebyfaith, Jesus's God is God the Father. Do you know why according to John 3:16 "God so loved the world He gave His "ONLY" begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him/Jesus should not perish, but have eternaL life." In what respect is Jesus the" ONLY BEGOTTEN" Son of God as in there are no others.

Or to put it another way, can you please give me an example of a son that does not share the same nature as its father? :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto