Is it right to "attack" genuine® Christians™ ?

[dcontroversal]

In a nutshell, It is a system which tries to differentiate different time periods in the history (and future) of mankind. To make it easier to see different periods of time in a historical perspective. It divides history (or future) in ages, or as the Bible calls it, Dispensations.

Ie, The dispensation or age of Innocence. Separates the pre-sin period of time, so it can be differentiated from other periods of times. Or the age of Grace, which allows people to seperate things occurring in this age from the age of law. Which things happened differently.

It is not unlike taking a history book, where different ages were separated to help the student differentiate between different time periods or different dynasties.

And sadly, it is vehemently attacked by false truths, false ideas, and false representations of what it is, and what it means.

There are some vies of dispensation which are out there (ie people are saved by law. And will return to law) but those views are few and far between. But since they are there, People attack everyone who believes that way, and try's to put them all under that category.

Locutus is one of the worst offenders of doing this. They lie about Sofied (they claim he taught this different ways to heaven nonsense, which if they would actually study his writings and teaching, He does not, Scofield taught in all ages we are saved by grace. Period)

Amen....God is the God of timing....as seen through the whole bible....and there is nothing unbiblical about dividing up particular periods of time when it comes to the bible....funny thing...the ones who argue the most against it regularly reject simple words that prove the points...

One example is the statment-->MANY are called but few chosen

Yet they will say MANY equals ALL and deny the fact that not ALL are not called!!

 

[PJW]

Is it right to "attack" genuine® Christians™ ?

No, it is not.
But remember...genuine Christians are promised that they won't enter heaven without tribulations.
It is written..."
John 16:33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

 

[Locutus]

here is your op from a new thread you just started ( although in reality, it's the same thread, with the same arguments, and your passive aggressive attempts at making non-Preterists seem stupid)

well, that is not how God words it in scripture and certainly not any who disagree with you have worded it either

you are more than a little dishonest in your representation of the truth and word many of your posts in a manner that is designed to exploit the honesty of those who do not like to be lied about

you do it on purpose and sadly some respond to that misrepresentation rather than see the flimsy and transparent childish goading you rely on as your platform The gullibility, sincere nonetheless, of those who actually think you want an HONEST discussion, is taken advantage of and supplies you with even more mirth and sad basis for mocking

you do this in every thread you have started and you keep doing it because it works for you

however, you really know nothing of what you are mocking and your posts are basically copy/pastes and I have the gnawing idea that you are here to get a kick out of turning Christians against each other

you even have actual Preterists responding but I don't believe you are genuine

and it does not matter what you respond with, because it's a charade

See, right here we see the true ad hominem approach - thanks for the demonstration...

7skeered hit every point listed below and then some.



Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is where an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

 

[preacher4truth]

See, right here we see the true ad hominem approach - thanks for the demonstration...

7skeered hit every point listed below and then some.



Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is where an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

She should've just had the locks changed, the re-keying didn't take.

 

[Locutus]

She should've just had the locks changed, the re-keying didn't take.

She's been on my case since Pete's thread "The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?" apparently not happy because I didn't defend the "State" of Israel.

 

[Zmouth]

One example is the statment-->MANY are called but few chosen

Yet they will say MANY equals ALL and deny the fact that not ALL are not called!!

Actually those who are denying the fact that not ALL are not called are in fact the ones who are claiming that all are called, but don't even realize it.

So many does not equal all?

So when it is written that Jesus calls the sinners to repentance then the many must equal ALL if you claim that ALL men have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

If all men have sinned that that would necessitate that Jesus calls all men, not many but ALL.

 

[Locutus]

Locutus is one of the worst offenders of doing this. They lie about Sofied (they claim he taught this different ways to heaven nonsense, which if they would actually study his writings and teaching, He does not, Scofield taught in all ages we are saved by grace. Period)

I'd like to see you repost these lies I've posted, that's quite an accusation you mounted there with no backing.

 

[Johnny_B]

The thread is talking about attacks on character over taking on an incorrect teaching, though. Ive seen it alot here, just like any other online forum.

Though telling someone they arent Christian, I dunno if Id say thats the same thing. They may actually deny Christian teachings, making them un-Christian. I mean if I claim that Christ was "just a prophet", Ive denied the Gospel and Christianity.
I guess that would be more situational.

I dont support attacking someones character as an argument, no. Its absolutely 100% right to point out any false teaching, but outside of that its just bashing someone cuz you dont like them.

​I agree one should never attack ones character. Yes we do need to defend the faith from false doctrine like baptism regeneration, there is so much false doctrine out there it is not funny.

 

[Locutus]

here is your op from a new thread you just started ( although in reality, it's the same thread, with the same arguments, and your passive aggressive attempts at making non-Preterists seem stupid)

well, that is not how God words it in scripture and certainly not any who disagree with you have worded it either

you are more than a little dishonest in your representation of the truth and word many of your posts in a manner that is designed to exploit the honesty of those who do not like to be lied about

you do it on purpose and sadly some respond to that misrepresentation rather than see the flimsy and transparent childish goading you rely on as your platform The gullibility, sincere nonetheless, of those who actually think you want an HONEST discussion, is taken advantage of and supplies you with even more mirth and sad basis for mocking

you do this in every thread you have started and you keep doing it because it works for you

however, you really know nothing of what you are mocking and your posts are basically copy/pastes and I have the gnawing idea that you are here to get a kick out of turning Christians against each other

you even have actual Preterists responding but I don't believe you are genuine

and it does not matter what you respond with, because it's a charade

If there was an Academy Award for Best Ad hominem 7 of shwine would have swept the nomination.....

 

[joaniemarie]

No., it is never right to attack other Christians. No... no... and NO.

 

[Johnny_B]

Thank you Johnny B.. it is some type of belief system set out By men for others to adhere to or not. Even during the time of the Messiah's Ministry those who knew the Scriptures perceived not.. the Bible really can not be put in to a boxset of beliefs.. somethings are not fully understood until they come to pass.. the idea that Israel have a special place with GOD was fulfilled when the Good Shepherd came..

So now all are to Repent and Believe the New Covenant that is the promise to Abraham. The axe fell.. but there is Hope for all.. and let us remember that our Lord was Jewish and that He was born from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and David seed.. fulfilling GOD's Word.. but let us not believe the unbelieving folks that desire power and glory among men exalting themselves special rather than proclaiming Heavenly Father and the Messiah as Special ..

nope First seek the Kingdom of GOD through the King, who is.. who was and who is to come soon.. just how it is written He returns.. remember that my dears.

Do not partake in the rebellion.. the nation of Israel are trying to bring about what they believe is their birth right..

GOD is True and loyal always so Hold Fast gonna be some twist and turns ahead.. but GOD will make an end in good time.

In what way are they trying to do this? All of the Jews I have ever talked to laugh when you say that they are God's chosen people.

We Gentiles need to take heed to the words of the Holy Spirit through the apostle Paul in Romans 10:21-11:1-7, 11-25

“But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people....

11:1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.”4 But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men wh“o have not bowed the knee to Baal.”5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,...

11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous.12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree,18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.24 For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.


25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.”

If anyone thinks that the Lord is done with the Jews after reading these Scriptures inspired by the Holy Spirt, needs to beware. Paul is making a distinction between Gentiles and Jews in Romans 9-11 (please do not take the cheap way out by saying this is dispensationalism, when it is the reading of the Scripture), but wait doesn't he say there is no difference between Jew or Gentile, slave or free? Yes he does, but what is the context?

Lets look at Romans 3:27-31

“Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also,30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.”

Also Galatians 3:26-29 “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

There is no distinction in Christ and Paul is not talking about those in Christ, he is talking about his ethnic brothers and the Gentiles in Romans 9-11. Remebering verses 11:18 and 25 and 10:12-13

“For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” When it comes to salvation their is only one Lord for both Jew and Gentile, at the same time the Lord has a plan to bring the Jews back into their olive tree.



Amen, the Lord is faithful and He will fulfill the covenant of Genesis 15 and 17, they are not fulfilled in Christ, because they speak of a number as the stars in the heavens and a covenant in the flesh circumcision that is everlasting and fulfilled in Isaac and his offspring and their generations. 15 the Lord Himself ratifies the coveant and give the dimensions of the land in question. In 17 the Lord names Isaac as the descentant that the everlasting coveant of circumcision will be fulfilled along with his generations after him. When we take all of Romans 9-11 Paul is telling us that we need to go to the Jews to preach the Gospel so they can hear and believe.

Romans 10:12-13 “For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

The same Lord saves Jew and Gentile, we are called to take the Gospel to the Jews.

Romans 10:14-17 “How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!”16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?”17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”