Is it right to "attack" genuine® Christians™ ?

[Locutus]

What is frequently lacking -- and this is shocking -- is the absence of total honesty by those who attack Dispensationalism. Therefore they resort to ad hominem attacks on genuine Christians such as Darby, Scofield, etc.

Apparently questioning and critiquing some of the above mentioned writers is tantamount to "ad hominem" attacks.

Simple Definition of Ad Hominem:

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Ad hominem, which stands for the Latin term argumentum ad hominem, is a response to a person’s argument by attacking the person’s character rather than the logic or content of the argument.

Ad hominem remarks are often an example fallacy, because they are irrelevant to the overall argument.

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I do not see where any of the threads I've made in refuting dispensationalism fails under the heading of Ad hominem.

Do we on a discussion forum not have the right to question the doctrines that have been written by men such as Darby or Scofield or do we just roll over and play dead?

What would Eminem say? .....

 

[Nehemiah6]

Apparently questioning and critiquing some of the above mentioned writers is tantamount to "ad hominem" attacks.

Please do a Google search on the attacks against Darby. Scofield, Walvoord, Ryrie etc. to see what is being said. It is not just their doctrine but their character which is slandered.

"Critics that perpetuate the lies about Scofield are guilty of lying about Scofield and defaming a dead man. They merely perpetuate the lies and disinformation, simply for the purpose of simply to attack dispensationalism, premillennialism, and the pretribulation rapture. "

​False Slander of C.I.Scofield

 

[Nehemiah6]

Apparently questioning and critiquing some of the above mentioned writers is tantamount to "ad hominem" attacks.

Please do a Google search on the attacks against Darby. Scofield, Walvoord, Ryrie etc. to see what is being said. It is not just their doctrine but their character which is slandered.

"Critics that perpetuate the lies about Scofield are guilty of lying about Scofield and defaming a dead man. They merely perpetuate the lies and disinformation, simply for the purpose of simply to attack dispensationalism, premillennialism, and the pretribulation rapture. "

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2014/pastorbob418-2.htm

 

[crossnote]

When all other arguments fail...attack the person. NOT

 

[Locutus]

Please do a Google search on the attacks against Darby. Scofield, Walvoord, Ryrie etc. to see what is being said. It is not just their doctrine but their character which is slandered.

"Critics that perpetuate the lies about Scofield are guilty of lying about Scofield and defaming a dead man. They merely perpetuate the lies and disinformation, simply for the purpose of simply to attack dispensationalism, premillennialism, and the pretribulation rapture. "

I don't need to do a google search, you accused me of ad hominem attacks, I've never sourced any people or quoted any who have written "attacks" or lied about what dispensational writers have written.

 

[Johnny_B]

There is nothing wrong with it and it does not matter if it is Dispensationalist or Reformed writers, because I disagree with both, not on everything, but I do disagree with them. Here is where I have a problem is when people speak of eithers system of theology and say they are not Christians, because no man can see the heart of any man.

There is not one person to ever live except one that is Jesus that has had or has perfect doctrine.

 

[loveme1]

In a nutshell what is dispensationalism?

 

[Johnny_B]

In a nutshell what is dispensationalism?

It is a system of theology that has time divided up into 7 dispensations each is supposed to be a 1000 years, but they do not all work out like that. Their main focus is on eschotology, it is the same system that the "Left Behind" series of book came out of, here is a better explaination.

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A dispensation is a way of ordering things—an administration, a system, or a management. In theology, a dispensation is the divine administration of a period of time; each dispensation is a divinely appointed age. Dispensationalism is a theological system that recognizes these ages ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God’s program. Classical dispensationalism identifies seven dispensations in God’s plan for humanity.

Dispensationalists hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible as the best hermeneutic. The literal interpretation gives each word the meaning it would commonly have in everyday usage. Allowances are made for symbols, figures of speech, and types, of course. It is understood that even symbols and figurative sayings have literal meanings behind them. So, for example, when the Bible speaks of “a thousand years” in Revelation 20, dispensationalists interpret it as a literal period of 1,000 years (the dispensation of the Kingdom), since there is no compelling reason to interpret it otherwise.

There are at least two reasons why literalism is the best way to view Scripture. First, philosophically, the purpose of language itself requires that we interpret words literally. Language was given by God for the purpose of being able to communicate. Words are vessels of meaning. The second reason is biblical. Every prophecy about Jesus Christ in the Old Testament was fulfilled literally. Jesus’ birth, ministry, death, and resurrection all occurred exactly as the Old Testament predicted. The prophecies were literal. There is no non-literal fulfillment of messianic prophecies in the New Testament. This argues strongly for the literal method. If a literal interpretation is not used in studying the Scriptures, there is no objective standard by which to understand the Bible. Each person would be able to interpret the Bible as he saw fit. Biblical interpretation would devolve into “what this passage says to me” instead of “the Bible says.” Sadly, this is already the case in much of what is called Bible study today.

Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the Church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by grace through faith alone—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the Church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and that the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the Church. Dispensationalism teaches that the promises God made to Israel in the Old Testament (for land, many descendants, and blessings) will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation 20. Dispensationalists believe that, just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the Church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel (see Romans 9–11 and Daniel 9:24).

Dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1—3:7), Conscience (Genesis 3:8—8:22), Human Government (Genesis 9:1—11:32), Promise (Genesis 12:1—Exodus 19:25), Law (Exodus 20:1—Acts 2:4), Grace (Acts 2:4—Revelation 20:3), and the Millennial Kingdom (Revelation 20:4–6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Each dispensation includes a recognizable pattern of how God worked with people living in the dispensation. That pattern is 1) a responsibility, 2) a failure, 3) a judgment, and 4) grace to move on.

Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a distinction between Israel and the Church, and organizes the Bible into different dispensations or administrations.

From https://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html

 

[FrankLee]

There have been many good men in Jesus through the ages. Many doctrines put forth. I don't read them. I only read the Bible, testimonies and prayer requests. It's better for me not to have to decide whether or not they spoke the truth or error. What matters to me is my relationship with Jesus, not what some man says. I believe the Holy Spirit will teach me everything I need to know. As to these other men and their teachings;

1 John 2:27 (NKJV) But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

Having been born again and then afterwards baptized in the Holy Spirit. It is not necessary for me to grade the truth, the verity of their teachings. I place all my care, my time, my devotions to the savior and his word, the Bible.

What says the word?

Ecclesiastes 12:12-13 (NKJV)
12 And further, my son, be admonished by these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is wearisome to the flesh.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man's all.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

There is nothing wrong with it and it does not matter if it is Dispensationalist or Reformed writers, because I disagree with both, not on everything, but I do disagree with them. Here is where I have a problem is when people speak of eithers system of theology and say they are not Christians, because no man can see the heart of any man.

There is not one person to ever live except one that is Jesus that has had or has perfect doctrine.

The thread is talking about attacks on character over taking on an incorrect teaching, though. Ive seen it alot here, just like any other online forum.

Though telling someone they arent Christian, I dunno if Id say thats the same thing. They may actually deny Christian teachings, making them un-Christian. I mean if I claim that Christ was "just a prophet", Ive denied the Gospel and Christianity.
I guess that would be more situational.

I dont support attacking someones character as an argument, no. Its absolutely 100% right to point out any false teaching, but outside of that its just bashing someone cuz you dont like them.

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't need to do a google search, you accused me of ad hominem attacks, I've never sourced any people or quoted any who have written "attacks" or lied about what dispensational writers have written.

Bro, no matter what you say, no matter what you prove to this guy he is going to twist it, fabricate and attack. It's his nature.

 

[loveme1]

Thank you Johnny B.. it is some type of belief system set out By men for others to adhere to or not. Even during the time of the Messiah's Ministry those who knew the Scriptures perceived not.. the Bible really can not be put in to a boxset of beliefs.. somethings are not fully understood until they come to pass.. the idea that Israel have a special place with GOD was fulfilled when the Good Shepherd came..

So now all are to Repent and Believe the New Covenant that is the promise to Abraham. The axe fell.. but there is Hope for all.. and let us remember that our Lord was Jewish and that He was born from Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and David seed.. fulfilling GOD's Word.. but let us not believe the unbelieving folks that desire power and glory among men exalting themselves special rather than proclaiming Heavenly Father and the Messiah as Special ..

nope First seek the Kingdom of GOD through the King, who is.. who was and who is to come soon.. just how it is written He returns.. remember that my dears.

Do not partake in the rebellion.. the nation of Israel are trying to bring about what they believe is their birth right..

GOD is True and loyal always so Hold Fast gonna be some twist and turns ahead.. but GOD will make an end in good time.

 

[Zmouth]

There is not one person to ever live except one that is Jesus that has had or has perfect doctrine.

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. John 7:16

 

[crossnote]

I don’t believe it is right to ‘personally’ attack anyone period. Challenge their teaching without attacking them.

 

[NayborBear]

The reason people attack another's character, is because, the vanity of the attacker, who, by the way, is not able to present a successful argument, will not allow them, to be outspoken.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I do not see where any of the threads I've made in refuting dispensationalism fails under the heading of Ad hominem.

Do we on a discussion forum not have the right to question the doctrines that have been written by men such as Darby or Scofield or do we just roll over and play dead?

right

and the moon is made of swiss cheese

whatever

 

[7seasrekeyed]

here is your op from a new thread you just started ( although in reality, it's the same thread, with the same arguments, and your passive aggressive attempts at making non-Preterists seem stupid)

Yes - I am a Zionist



But not the Zion on dirt proposed by that disfunctional dispensationalism:


Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.


Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.


According to dispensationalism the Son is still waiting around for the Jews to accept him so he can reign from a dirt based Zion, not according to the above and Hebrews.

well, that is not how God words it in scripture and certainly not any who disagree with you have worded it either

you are more than a little dishonest in your representation of the truth and word many of your posts in a manner that is designed to exploit the honesty of those who do not like to be lied about

you do it on purpose and sadly some respond to that misrepresentation rather than see the flimsy and transparent childish goading you rely on as your platform The gullibility, sincere nonetheless, of those who actually think you want an HONEST discussion, is taken advantage of and supplies you with even more mirth and sad basis for mocking

you do this in every thread you have started and you keep doing it because it works for you

however, you really know nothing of what you are mocking and your posts are basically copy/pastes and I have the gnawing idea that you are here to get a kick out of turning Christians against each other

you even have actual Preterists responding but I don't believe you are genuine

and it does not matter what you respond with, because it's a charade

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In a nutshell what is dispensationalism?

In a nutshell, It is a system which tries to differentiate different time periods in the history (and future) of mankind. To make it easier to see different periods of time in a historical perspective. It divides history (or future) in ages, or as the Bible calls it, Dispensations.

Ie, The dispensation or age of Innocence. Separates the pre-sin period of time, so it can be differentiated from other periods of times. Or the age of Grace, which allows people to seperate things occurring in this age from the age of law. Which things happened differently.

It is not unlike taking a history book, where different ages were separated to help the student differentiate between different time periods or different dynasties.

And sadly, it is vehemently attacked by false truths, false ideas, and false representations of what it is, and what it means.

There are some vies of dispensation which are out there (ie people are saved by law. And will return to law) but those views are few and far between. But since they are there, People attack everyone who believes that way, and try's to put them all under that category.

Locutus is one of the worst offenders of doing this. They lie about Sofied (they claim he taught this different ways to heaven nonsense, which if they would actually study his writings and teaching, He does not, Scofield taught in all ages we are saved by grace. Period)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

To the op. No it is not right to attack genuin christians. So why do you do it? (I have you on ignore. So if you were saying something else. forgive me for misinterpreting you)

 

[tourist]

In a nutshell what is dispensationalism?

That's what it is called when you dispense with something.