Where Does Non Binary Fit In The Scheme Of Things?

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WebersHome

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H.sapiens is a binary species consisting of two distinct genders: male and female.

Non binary people see themselves as having no distinct gender-- apparently
regardless of their physical construction --and refer to themselves with neuter
pronouns, for example: it, its, they, them, and their.

I have no trouble understanding LGBT; but cannot even begin to understand the
mentality of non binary folk.

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maxwel

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H.sapiens is a binary species consisting of two distinct genders: male and female.

Non binary people see themselves as having no distinct gender-- apparently
regardless of their physical construction --and refer to themselves with neuter
pronouns, for example: it, its, they, them, and their.


I have no trouble understanding LGBT; but cannot even begin to understand the
mentality of non binary folk.


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Understanding them?
Postmoderm relativism forces all issues into an inherent state of being non-understandable.


If troubled postmodernists, under the weight of all the self-imposed confusion, feel an overwhelming desire to devalue their own existence to level of "it"...

there's nothing left to be said.



They just need prayer.



They cannot be understood, or reasoned with...
they have chosen logical irrationality.
That's what relativism is.


Sometimes, but not always, when a person's choices cause enough problems,
it forces them back to reality.
It makes them rethink things.
This isn't being unkind... it is simply the way God ordered the world.
 
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crossnote

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H.sapiens is a binary species consisting of two distinct genders: male and female.

Non binary people see themselves as having no distinct gender-- apparently
regardless of their physical construction --and refer to themselves with neuter
pronouns, for example: it, its, they, them, and their.

I have no trouble understanding LGBT; but cannot even begin to understand the
mentality of non binary folk.

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Maybe it's not so much they see themselves with no specific gender as they refuse to see themselves committed to any specific gender...how convenient.
 

maxwel

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Let me try to restate what I was getting at.


How do you understand someone who is confused to the point of irrationality?
You don't.
You cannot rationally understand what is rationally incoherent.



Example:
A. I'm wandering in the desert, and my brain is cooked into mush from the heat.
B. You find me in the desert, eating sand, and mumbling that it's water from a lovely lake.
C. You say "No, it's not water. You're eating sand."
D. I say you're wrong, that it's water, and I keep eating the sand.
E. You tell me a thousand times it's sand, but I keep saying it's water, and keep eating the sand.

Conclusions #1:
A. Is there any way for you to change my mind?
- NO.
B. Is there any way to better understand my train of reasoning?
- No, because there IS no reasoning, there is just confusion... I can no longer distinguish between sand and water.

Conclusions #2
A. If you are a boy, and say you are a girl...
this can't be rationally understood, because it is irrational, it is a logical contradiction, like saying sand is water.
B. If you are a boy, and say you are sometimes a boy and sometimes a girl...
this can't be rationally understood, because it is irrational, it is a logical contradiction, like saying sand is water.
C. If you are a boy, and you say you are neither a boy or a girl...
this can't be rationally understood, because it is irrational, it is a logical contradiction, like saying sand is water.


We cannot rationally understand that which is irrational.

But we can still pray, and still be compassionate.



 

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Non-binary gender identity is simply another manifestation of the fall, similar to physical disease, mental disorder, natural disasters, plant and animal toxins, and the like.
 

maxwel

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Non-binary gender identity is simply another manifestation of the fall, similar to physical disease, mental disorder, natural disasters, plant and animal toxins, and the like.


I agree.

I think DEEP CONFUSION, which is both mental and spiritual, is part of the fall.

If we dive into the confusion, and embrace it, and keep swimming in it...
the ocean of confusion will just get deeper and deeper.
 

maxwel

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PROBLEM:



No Problem

I have a real problem with this whole topic of redefining genders.
The problem may not be what people expect.

My problem isn't with individuals who are troubled, and who need help and compassion.
We should have compassion toward those who are troubled and confused.



Jelly Problem

My problem is with the pseudo-academics who pump this incoherent madness into the culture until everyone's head turns into jelly.

When you fill people's heads with logical contradictions, you start a process of systemically impeding all of their rational processes until you turn them into idiots.

It's like mentally castrating people.



The Mind

God, in the Bible, tells us to love God with both our hearts AND minds.

God designed our minds to work rationally... and to thereby, through our simple rationality and common sense, comprehend our own fallenness, and our need for a savior, and the existence of our creator. God designed our minds to understand the Holy Spirit when He speaks... and "understanding" requires simple, rational thought.

When people lose rationality, and give up the simple, clear, common sense workings of the mind God gave them... then they can no longer UNDERSTAND the utterances which God built into all of creation to speak of himself.
Proverbs 1
20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
21 She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:


They cannot hear God in creation, or in their conscience, or in the workings of others, or even in the rational ponderings of their own mind.

An irrational mind cannot hear God... because irrationality is the OPPOSITE of everything God says and does.





The more irrational we become, the less we hear.
 
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Billyd

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Hollywood!
 
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Regardless of the what's, how's and why's.....at the end of the day it is idiocy and moronic at best.......the end result of a wicked society sold out to self and Satanism.......I.E> SIN SICK
 
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so many refuse or simply have no concept of the 'deceptions' of 'the one' who was
cast out of heaven and given power over this 'fallen-world', after A&E betrayed Jesus...
he, satan, 'rules here; our very first breaths are of his foulness taken into our bodies with
our first breath...the Truth is in what we do and what we see, and how we act;
it continues every day of our lives, until Jesus calls us out and brings us into
His Holy deliverance from this vile world of our continual sin of dis-obedience...
 

WebersHome

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A non binary driver's license is tantamount to a legalized fake ID.

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WebersHome

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Seeing as how non binary people are essentially non human, then why
not take it to the next level and allow people to declare themselves Martians
on their driver's licenses?

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Angela53510

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I have pondered what on earth these non-binary people mean, and I think I need to speak to an actual one. I did read an article about a non-binary who had a child. (Read: she was a woman!)

Well, Zir* was in trouble with the province, because she refused to register her child. Because then she would have had to put down the gender, formerly called "sex." Zir didn't want the child to be forced into a gender role, by putting something on the birth certificate. Zir wanted to wait until the child made up its own mind about whether it was binary (and which sex it identified with) or non-binary. She was demanding changes to the law in BC, so no-one had to register their children at birth.

I kid you not! It was a serious article, and the leftist CBC reporter showed sincere sympathy for her cause.

Because, who needs a birth certificate? Why not just make it up, as you go along?

And to think I thought things were weird when I was young!

*Zir is an arbitrary pronoun I have seen used for these people. I think there are about 50 of these alternate pronouns, now!
 

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I have pondered what on earth these non-binary people mean, and I think I need to speak to an actual one. I did read an article about a non-binary who had a child. (Read: she was a woman!)

Well, Zir* was in trouble with the province, because she refused to register her child. Because then she would have had to put down the gender, formerly called "sex." Zir didn't want the child to be forced into a gender role, by putting something on the birth certificate. Zir wanted to wait until the child made up its own mind about whether it was binary (and which sex it identified with) or non-binary. She was demanding changes to the law in BC, so no-one had to register their children at birth.

I kid you not! It was a serious article, and the leftist CBC reporter showed sincere sympathy for her cause.

Because, who needs a birth certificate? Why not just make it up, as you go along?

And to think I thought things were weird when I was young!

*Zir is an arbitrary pronoun I have seen used for these people. I think there are about 50 of these alternate pronouns, now!
Up side down world.

https://nypost.com/2016/05/19/city-issues-new-guidelines-on-transgender-pronouns/

Not using transgender pronouns could get you fined


Employers and landlords who intentionally and consistently ignore using pronouns such as “ze/hir” to refer to transgender workers and tenants who request them — may be subject to fines as high as $250,000.
The Commission on Human Rights’ legal guidelines mandate that anyone who providing jobs or housing must use individuals’ preferred gender pronouns.
As the regulations, updated late last year, point out, some transgender individuals prefer to use pronouns other than he/him/his or she/her/hers.
Examples of less prominent pronouns that some transgender people may choose, according to the city, are: “ze,” which is the third person singular, such as he and she; and “hir,” which is the third person plural, similar to they.
The legal enforcement is in line with the city’s guidance on discrimination based on gender identity or expression.
“Gender expression may not be distinctively male or female and may not conform to traditional gender-based stereotypes assigned to specific gender identities,” the city advises.
The city insisted that accidentally misusing a transgender person’s preferred pronoun is not against the law and would not be subject to a fine.
The updated regulations are meant to address “situations in which individuals intentionally and repeatedly target transgender and gender non-conforming people with this type of harassment,” Commission spokesman Seth Hoy told the Post Thursday.
“The Commission issued this guidance last year so that employers and individuals understand what the law says and to ensure that every transgender individual in New York City is treated with the respect and dignity they deserve,” Hoy added.
Penalties of up to $250,000 can be imposed for violations that are deemed to be the result of malicious intent.
The idea of using pronouns other than “he/she” has come to light in the past decade as more people are identifying with “non-binary” gender roles, meaning not traditional male/female.
The Obama administration last week issued a decree mandating that every US public-school district allow transgender students to use the bathroom that matches their gender identities.
“There is no room in our schools for discrimination of any kind, including discrimination against transgender students on the basis of their sex,” US Attorney General Loretta Lynch said.

New California law allows jail time for using wrong gender pronoun, sponsor denies that would happen | Fox News

New California law allows jail time for using wrong gender pronoun, sponsor denies that would happen


California health care workers who “willfully and repeatedly” decline to use a senior transgender patient's “preferred name or pronouns” could face punishments ranging from a fine to jail time under a newly signed law.
California Gov. Jerry Brown signed the legislation last week.
The sponsor, Democratic state Sen. Scott Wiener, has argued adamantly that nobody is going to be criminally prosecuted for using the wrong pronoun.
“It’s just more scare tactics by people who oppose all LGBT civil rights and protections,” he said in a statement last month.
But the language seemingly allows for the possibility, however remote.
The bill itself is aimed at protecting transgender and other LGBT individuals in hospitals, retirement homes and assisted living facilities. The bill would ensure those facilities accommodate transgender people and their needs, including letting them decide which gender-specific bathroom they prefer to use.
"It shall be unlawful for a long-term care facility or facility staff to take any of the following actions wholly or partially on the basis of a person’s actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, or human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) status," the bill reads

Among the unlawful actions are “willfully and repeatedly” failing to use a transgender person’s “preferred name or pronouns” after he or she is “clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns.”
The law states that if provisions are violated, the violator could be punished by a fine “not to exceed one thousand dollars” or “by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year,” or both.
Wiener's office noted that violations for residential care facilities under existing law rarely resulted in criminal charges, especially for minor violations. Criminal penalties are meant more for violations that expose a patient to risk of death or serious harm, his office said.
Wiener’s office noted that the law “does not create any new criminal provisions,” but rather creates “new rights within an existing structure.”
One opponent of the law, the California Family Council's Greg Burt, slammed the measure when the bill was in its early stages.
 

p_rehbein

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It fits just to the side of Binary........see.......you have Binary and non-Binary...........there......all done
 
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A Non binary society is a spiritual indication of rebellion against God. The sign is easy to see being made manifest by that which is made with those who walk by sight ignoring the creation and therefore the Creator. ..It is one of those things questioned when he comes will he find faith or a worn out book that has no effect on society as it was in the days of Noah

Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

A persons imagination must work really hard to not understand what tools they were born with. Its what people don’t learn about history that can destroy a people .History repeats itself in that way because natural man does not change. At the rise and fall of every society the father of lies is doing his work of separating that which God calls together and what God separate the father of lies calls one.

Changing laws to make it easy to sin against God like the marriage law which was binary is part of the downward spiral. The next time there will be no flood the end will come.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
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the leftist CBC reporter showed sincere sympathy for her cause.
I feel pity for people with a non binary mental condition, just as I feel pity
for autism, schizophrenia, LGBT, mental retardation, insanity, and post
traumatic stress syndrome; but there is no just no way on God's green earth
that I will ever be sympathetic with a non binary's "cause" any more than I
am sympathetic with communism, tyranny, despotism, anarchy, and/or
religious beliefs and practices wherein children die on account of their
parents relying upon prayer and anointing oil to remedy their children's
treatable ailments in lieu of competent medical attention.

In my opinion, people afflicted with a non binary mental condition are guilty
of child abuse by refusing to acknowledge their offspring as either male or
female when their baby's physical characteristics make that so obvious.

"So God created man in His own image; non binary created He them." (Gen
1:27)

Really?

If it walks like a duck, if it has feathers like a duck, if it quacks like a duck;
and especially if it looks like a duck; then guess what? The bird in question is
a duck regardless of whether the poor thing sincerely believes itself an
ostrich, or a turkey, or the queen of England.

There's a term for people who believe themselves to be someone other than
who they really are. I think it might be called Dissociative Disorder. There
was a time when society confined people with those kinds of conditions to
psychiatric facilities for observation and therapy, but nowadays political
correctness requires that they be "included". But Christian churches dare not
accept into their membership someone known to be non binary.

Heb 12:15 . . See to it that no one misses the grace of God, and that no
bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

A bitter root is one belonging to an invasive species unfit for human
consumption; i.e. toxic.

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blue_ladybug

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How can a person not identify as a man or a woman? I mean, that's kinda the only 2 options you have.. :confused:

I will NEVER understand the alphabet people's lifestyle(s) or mindsets..
 

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I don't think any of this should surprise us... The Apostle Paul gives us the reason why. Once the fabric of society started breaking down, which is the family unit, Society itself starts to implode. I am afraid the time for standing around and scratching our heads is over. Christians need to be a witness in the community of strong family values and strong community based on love.

Read the book of acts/Corinthians their societys where worse than ours in being hedonistic. How did the Christians live and witness..?
We can vote, that is vote for the person has the closest values to Christians, and pray for our leaders to either change laws or not to. But always be a light in society (we tend to talk a good job to fellow christians online, but examine yourself in private). Evangelise and make disciples.

Anyhow Paul says it well: Romans 1:18ff

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creator – who is for ever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worth while to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practise them.

Man and woman have no excuse because of the revelation in nature itself, yet they do not seek after God. We need to take the Good news to them. But, they need to know why it's good news, therefore they need to hear God's righteous standards. God's law will convict the sinner and the good news of Christ will give them hope and set sinners free.


 
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Question to the OP. Why would a person ever think of this in relation to scripture, let alone talking about it on a Christian web site when it is clear that God created male and female? That's like saying we have a cross between and oak and a pine, and now we call it a poak because it's neither one. It's a half breed.

Genesis 1:11-25
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the third day.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

If it isn't the way God created it, or them, it's wrong. It doesn't matter how we see ourselves. It matters how God sees us. The end.

"But by the grace of God I am what I am:" (1 Corinthians 15:10a)