A true even that happened to me

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know1

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I would like to tell a true story about myself, and for the sake of possibly helping others, I'm going to be brutally honest. Normally, I wouldn't say anything, but in this case, I'm the guinea pig.
This is not made up. I say that because of what I will be saying later in this post.
Before I begin, I would like to say that I have received multiple healings through the year in my walk with God.
And I got these healing BECAUSE of the actions I made in faith.
I have been healed of arthritis, bone spur (I think that's what it was), kidney stone(s), that last one of the five episodes, colds, the flu, a brown recluse spider bite behind my knee, lumps in my neck, and many other things I can't think of right now off hand. And unknown to me until recently, there was something else.
I don't know how long ago this started, but it has been well over a year now.
I started getting these symptoms of when I took a deep breath that I had just opened up parts of my lungs that had closed off. It felt like a separation from within my lungs. I thought nothing of it for the longest time.
From there it progressed to this popping or clicking every time I inhaled. It sounded like rice crispy cereal after you poured the milk over it. Like snap, crackle, and pop.
It kept getting louder and more pronounced. Then there was an awful feeling that came. Then it started effecting my throat.
I actually though I had a growth in my lungs because it felt like a weight pulling my esophagus down. And then my throat started hurting and closing in to where the snap, crackle, and popping was followed with a small whistle or squeak. It felt like bubbling and a tickle in my throat, that would cause me to cough. And from there it started affecting my tongue with sores that had eaten away at the surface or skin, leaving it raw and painful, especially when I ate anything salty or acidic. And it made me very tire, even when I woke up in the morning.
This went on for a while until I felt I couldn't hide it any longer from my family, because I really though I was going to die, and yes, I got scared.
I don't suffer well, and I don't function well being sick or having a disease.
I have not gone to the doctors, nor will I, but my daughter who has been very good at diagnosing problems in the past, did the same again using the symptoms I was having.
She said all my symptoms pointed to what is known as Rales, and that there is no know home remedy for it, and that it can kill you. She said it damages and then destroys the lungs until the person dies.
So my family started me out on all natural foods and I took various other things and some vitamins and it helped off and on for a while, but it bothered me that instead of depending on God to take care of the problem, I was trusting in these natural remedies that I condemned on line. And that bothered me until I got mad when my family acted like I sinned when I ate something that would make it worse. Anything sweet, salty, or acidic would cause it to flare up worse.
At first I was looking for time to pray in faith, to build myself up in the spirit through the promises of God, but I found that I got complacent because it made it so that I didn't feel so sick all the time.
When I had enough of that and went at it in prayer, I stopped taking everything and ate everything that I wasn't suppose to, that would normally cause the thing to flare up and make me feel icky and yuk again.
I wanted to let all of you know what attacked me and basically where I am now. Like I said, I'm the guinea pig.
As I said, I prayed and it got better at first, then it got worse.
So I prayed again, and again, and again.
And in my prayers, I don't ask God to help me, nor do I wonder if it is His will for me to be healed. I KNOW it is. That is part of the gospel or good news of Jesus Christ. Jesus bore our sicknesses and carried our diseases. He became a curse for me, so I wouldn't have to bare it myself. Either He has it, and nailed it to the cross, or I do. I choose to cast all my cares on Him, therefore I don't have it.
I'm going to tell you what I have done so far, and what will happen at an undisclosed time, sometime in the future.
First, I repented and asked for forgiveness for all my sins in all sincerity, because our sins are not automatically forgiven or covered under the blood. I know that to be true because Jesus wouldn't have told us to confess our sins so that we could be forgiven of those said sins, and cleansed from all unrighteousness. Also because both sicknesses and diseases are the result of a curse, and if you were not under any kind of curse, you could not get a sickness or disease. That's God's promise to His children. And the the other thing is that in order for God to heal you, you must first be forgiven.
Jesus made that distinction with the man that had the palsy. And that was John the Baptist's mission to prepare the way of the lord Jesus. You sins must be forgiven before God will heal you.
Second, I commanded the spirit of that disease to be bound and cast from me and for the thing to take its stench with it, in the name of Jesus. This is one of the things the bible was talking about concerning believing on or in the name of Jesus.
I did that because all sicknesses and diseases are a direct result of a spirit, and from my many experiences, when the spirit is gone, the disease dies, but the damage still need tending to. For, as the cells of our bodies require a spirit to live, along with our body, so also the cells of a sickness or disease require the same from its host. The host being the foul spirit.
So I commanded them to die, dry up, and wither away and pass out the body in the name of Jesus, because though the spirit is not physical, the stench it brought with it, is. And when the spirit is gone the disease has to die. I just command it to do anyway.
I then asked God the Father, in the name of Jesus, to heal my lungs, throat, and mouth, because that's what it affected the most, among other things.
After I finished praying, I thanked and praised my Father and Jesus for both delivering and healing me.
That was a couple of days ago.
So what am I feeling right now, you might wonder?
Close to the same as I did before, only a little better.
And what would I tell you if you asked me if God healed me or not, seeing that I still have the same symptoms?
Simple. That God both healed and delivered me and the manifestation will follow.
And why do I say that? Because God said in Mark 11:23 -24, that you will have what you say, if you believe and doubt not, and to believe that it has already been given and/or done, WHEN you prayed, and I have done that. So it is given to me.
So yes, I have my healing and I will let you know when it manifests. I tell you that it will indeed manifest, before it takes place, that you might remember that I spoke it, or claimed it, before it came to pass.
Now, I know that if I were to tell you that I was dying, some of you, even some who hate me, might feel sorry for me and pray for my healing. But because I don't have that, help me, attitude, but one of defiance, I believe most will still have animosity towards me.
One of the things I would like to get across to everyone is that whether or not you keep the sickness or disease is entirely up to you. It is your choice.And I'm going to prove just that to all of you. Not because of me, but because of Jesus. I will be bragging on Jesus, for He is both my healer and deliverer.
While many of you are waiting for God to do something for you, He is waiting on you.
We are not helpless victims of the devil's work. If you recall, we are more than conqueror in Christ Jesus. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. If I don't have faith, then nothing will happen, right?
Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil in my flesh and yours alike. And if He came to do that, then it is done.
What is my faith in?
For God to fulfill His promise to me.
And what promise is that?
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
I do not have rales anymore. I do not agree with it, nor do I accept or receive it, but utterly reject it. For it is a lie of the devil.
And whatsoever I do not agree with, or accept, or receive, according to God's word, which is truth, which makes it a law, has to be taken from me. It CANNOT stay, I both have and stand on the promises of God.
So I will be getting back with whomever reads this to let you know WHEN all the symptoms have gone. It's not a matter of, if, but WHEN, and I just wanted to broadcast it before it happens, to prove the faith I have been talking about for years, really works.
And as I said at the beginning, this is real and not a fake event.
Sorry for its lengthiness.
God's Blessing to all you who are His children.
 

Joidevivre

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I was diagnosed with cancer of the palate (mouth),with cancer spreading to all the glands in my neck (radiation and surgery) and I felt the Lord was wanting me to go through treatments to see new things about how He would reveal Himself to me. There was no wrong spirit in me, no sin that I was aware of, just a feeling that I was brought to this trial to see more of His glory. All sickness is only for the glory of God (as Jesus said about the boy born blind).

What I saw was the power of God upon me from beginning to end. From the shorter surgery than was planned (one half of my mouth was removed), to the neck healing so fast (although at the time, it seemed to take forever). My mouth healed 2 months ahead of schedule, never got sores, and I was always able to swallow. There was just a few weeks of it hurting when I swallowed, but I was backed by prayer.

I never had to take even one pain pill from the day after the surgery when I came home. When I look back on all these months, I know that God allowed me to go through everything so that we all could see daily little miracles. Everyone always wants instant healing (big miracle), but there is such a joy in seeing little ones pile up.


May you be blessed with little miracles every day. Look for them.
 

BillG

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First, I repented and asked for forgiveness for all my sins in all sincerity, because our sins are not automatically forgiven or covered under the blood. I know that to be true because Jesus wouldn't have told us to confess our sins so that we could be forgiven of those said sins, and cleansed from all unrighteousness. Also because both sicknesses and diseases are the result of a curse, and if you were not under any kind of curse, you could not get a sickness or disease. That's God's promise to His children. And the the other thing is that in order for God to heal you, you must first be forgiven.
Jesus made that distinction with the man that had the palsy. And that was John the Baptist's mission to prepare the way of the lord Jesus. You sins must be forgiven before God will heal you.
John 9:1-5
Chapter 9
A Man Born Blind Receives Sight
1 Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. 2 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. 4 I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Galatians 3:13-14


13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Hebrews 8:12-13
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



Psalms 103:8-14
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious,
Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy.
9 He will not always strive with us,
Nor will He keep His anger forever.
10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father pities his children,
So the Lord pities those who fear Him.
14 For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.

I am not making light of what you have been through but;

Sorry but you are so off the mark here.

You say you repented of all your sins. Did you name them all one by one and continue to do so during your sickness?
By your reasoning if you forgot one then you would have not been healed.
Did you include sins of ommission?

You obviously beleive we must confess each sin in order to be forgiven. What if you miss one or die before you can ask for forgiveness? Does that lead to sickness and or hell?

I am really sorry but all your post does is heap condemnation on genuine loving Christians who fall sick and are not healed.

You need be very careful. Many a great child of God has died in their prime through sickness.

Like this great man who converted from Islam when he found Jesus. Nabeel Qureshi who died at the age of 34
He left behind a wife and young children.

You gonna tell them he died because unconfessed therefor unforgivne sin, lack of faith for healing?




You say, one of the things I would like to get accross to everyone is that whether or not keep the the sickness it’s entirely up to you ITS YOUR CHOICE
I though the day we are born and the day we die was determined even before we were born.
ITS GOD CHOICE AND DETERMINATION WHEN WE DIE NOT OURS.

I do pray and hope that God heals you completely but please understand that God does not heal every believer and if he does not it has nothing to do with with what you have posted.

Walk in humilty and thankfulness for what he has done for you and with love and compassion for those left behind when he calls his children home as a result of sickness.
 

Angela53510

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So, you never went to a doctor before or after these healings? Your daughter diagnosed you? Seriously?

Science doesn't work that way, except for Placebo effect. I have very bad oesto arthritis, besides my Rheumatoid Arthritis, secondary to the RA. I was told in 2007 I needed knee replacements, it was so bad. But, I kept riding my bike, kept the muscles stretched and strong, and here I am 10 years later, finally going back to an orthopedic surgeon, because one knee took some serious RA damage to a tendon this summer.

And I was honestly in no pain, regardless of what the xrays said. Because, I needed my knees to be good.

My suggestion is that next time you are sick please go to a doctor. Get it confirmed with diagnostic tests. Then, if you are healed, go back to the doctor, and see what is going on. Placebo effect can be huge! Look it up! Or, perhaps God did touch you!

As for the theology you are espousing, just wrong! I did a big thread on it a while back, argued for a lot of pages with people who said I was wrong for not believing for healing! Like I didn't believe in healing, when I first got ill! I had all these Word Faith friends who prayed for me, and nothing happened. They blamed me. But one got breast cancer, refused treatment and died within the year. Another had a prostrate enlargement, a non Word Faith friend took him to the hospital where they operated, and he has been fine ever since, with yearly check ups.

So, here is the link. Probably don't add to the thread. Start a new one! Ooops, you already did!

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/144809-word-faith-look-what-bible-says.html
 

BillG

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So, you never went to a doctor before or after these healings? Your daughter diagnosed you? Seriously?

Science doesn't work that way, except for Placebo effect. I have very bad oesto arthritis, besides my Rheumatoid Arthritis, secondary to the RA. I was told in 2007 I needed knee replacements, it was so bad. But, I kept riding my bike, kept the muscles stretched and strong, and here I am 10 years later, finally going back to an orthopedic surgeon, because one knee took some serious RA damage to a tendon this summer.

And I was honestly in no pain, regardless of what the xrays said. Because, I needed my knees to be good.

My suggestion is that next time you are sick please go to a doctor. Get it confirmed with diagnostic tests. Then, if you are healed, go back to the doctor, and see what is going on. Placebo effect can be huge! Look it up! Or, perhaps God did touch you!

As for the theology you are espousing, just wrong! I did a big thread on it a while back, argued for a lot of pages with people who said I was wrong for not believing for healing! Like I didn't believe in healing, when I first got ill! I had all these Word Faith friends who prayed for me, and nothing happened. They blamed me. But one got breast cancer, refused treatment and died within the year. Another had a prostrate enlargement, a non Word Faith friend took him to the hospital where they operated, and he has been fine ever since, with yearly check ups.

So, here is the link. Probably don't add to the thread. Start a new one! Ooops, you already did!

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/144809-word-faith-look-what-bible-says.html
They blamed you?
That about sums it up.

I have bad knee problems as well.
ACL/PCL In right knee and ACL in left knee.
When the first one went I was told to forget about my professional football career.

Had a person in the chruch Visit me in hospital. When I told him he said “God did that because you play football on Sunday morning (even though I went to the evening service)

It seems we have one extreme to the other in Christian circles.
Alas the extreme seems to have to love and compassion, just condemnation.

Good post Angela
 
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7seasrekeyed

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thing is, the symptoms could be one of several things, some of which are quite easily cured with doctor prescribed medication

I do believe God can and sometimes does heal a person

I have seen both happen

we cannot blame a person's faith for lack of healing...the obvious truth that is missed, is that if a person believes God can/may heal them and they pray for healing, then how can they be told they did not have faith or even enough faith?

mustard seeds are awful small
 
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7seasrekeyed

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They blamed you?
That about sums it up.

I have bad knee problems as well.
ACL/PCL In right knee and ACL in left knee.
When the first one went I was told to forget about my professional football career.

Had a person in the chruch Visit me in hospital. When I told him he said “God did that because you play football on Sunday morning (even though I went to the evening service)

It seems we have one extreme to the other in Christian circles.
Alas the extreme seems to have to love and compassion, just condemnation.

Good post Angela

I've been told myself often enough, that one thing or another I did, resulted in God punishing me by some unrelated circumstance that was interpreted by people who lack understanding, as God disapproving of a choice I had made

if that were standard operating procedure for God, who of us would still be walking

we would all be squashed like little bugs

sigh
 

FlSnookman7

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God does not punish anyone via sickness or disease however He can and does heal people. Sometimes He uses doctors and medicine other times not. We should never use healing or a lack of healing to judge anyone else's faith. In fact far too often people who claim to be Christian judge another's walk and find fault with it just because it is different from their walk. Jesus actually addressed this exact problem..


John 21:21-22 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”

I honestly believe there would be many more Christians if those who profess Christianity would "work out their OWN salvation with fear and trembling" instead of trying to work out everyone else's.

Hope that doesn't sound too harsh, I do mean it more gently than it perhaps sounds...
 

BillG

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God does not punish anyone via sickness or disease however He can and does heal people. Sometimes He uses doctors and medicine other times not. We should never use healing or a lack of healing to judge anyone else's faith. In fact far too often people who claim to be Christian judge another's walk and find fault with it just because it is different from their walk. Jesus actually addressed this exact problem..


John 21:21-22 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.”

I honestly believe there would be many more Christians if those who profess Christianity would "work out their OWN salvation with fear and trembling" instead of trying to work out everyone else's.

Hope that doesn't sound too harsh, I do mean it more gently than it perhaps sounds...
Not harsh at all.

I may come across as even harsher but at times when look at another’s walk maybe it’s to bring comfort that we are not like them with what we judge them for.

In a sense Log and eye come to mind
 

Jenizona

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Rales are just random sounds heard when you listen to someone's lungs... it's not an actual diagnosis.

I STRONGLY believe in God's healing power, is there any reason you haven't gone to a doctor yet? Sometimes it's too expensive, I totally understand if that's the case. Thinking positively and prayer can definitely help!!

I did read your whole post, and it's possible I missed something about seeing a doctor! I'm sorry if I did!! And I truly hope you feel better soon!!
 

Innerfire89

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In Rev. 21:4 we see there will be a day with no more tears and no more pain, this is in heaven, not today.
 
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The honest truth...God causes the rain to fall on the just as well as the unjust......God heals some....and some he allows to suffer and die....every day faithful servants of God die while evil men are allowed to seemingly prosper...with every gambit in between.....

Precious in the eyes of the Lord are the death of his saints

God is not willing that none should perish, but hat ALL should come to repentance

My Grandmother was the most faithful person that loved Jesus I have ever seen....always doing for the poor, feeding them, making them clothes, taught Sunday school her whole life, worked on the "mission board", prayed, studied, never missed church, sang, and untold good deeds for JESUS and she died of cancer, peacefully smiling and surrounded by UNSEEN friends and family and even seeing a little girl smiling as she passed "lost a 1 year old daughter" and she as well as everyone prayed for her to live. She believed that JESUS and faith alone saved her. SHE was poor as dirt and gave all in the process to help others.

My Grandfather on the opposite side was a particular works religionist.....he was a drunk, hypocrite, two faced, self serving, covetous snake in the grass that was ONLY GOOD on SUNDAYS and in front of the "church members" of the particular denomination that he was a member of....He also died of cancer with everyone praying for him to be healed within his GROUP and "CHURCH BODY" He went out fighting, screaming, saying he was catching on fire and burning and fought tooth and nail until his last breath while denying that JESUS can save by faith alone. He was rich and would not give a dime to help call 911 for one dying of a heart attack.

These are true stories....not made up and witnessed by numerous family members........

At the end of the day......the eternal destiny of men and women was set in motion the day we were conceived.....good, bad, religious, non religious, faithful, not faithful etc. regardless....God heals some, some God does not heal and MOST will die and for sure ALL will face their eternal destiny at the end of the road.
 

Zmouth

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Since transgression of the law of God is not the reason that the flesh of all living dies;

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; ..."
Eccl 3:1-2


but rather the flesh of all living die because the word of God can not be transgressed.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Genesis 6:3















 

know1

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John 9:1-5
Chapter 9
A Man Born Blind Receives Sight
1 Now as Jesus passed by, He saw a man who was blind from birth. 2 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. 4 I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Galatians 3:13-14


13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Hebrews 8:12-13
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.



Psalms 103:8-14
8 The Lord is merciful and gracious,
Slow to anger, and abounding in mercy.
9 He will not always strive with us,
Nor will He keep His anger forever.
10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins,
Nor punished us according to our iniquities.
11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father pities his children,
So the Lord pities those who fear Him.
14 For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.

I am not making light of what you have been through but;

Sorry but you are so off the mark here.

You say you repented of all your sins. Did you name them all one by one and continue to do so during your sickness?
By your reasoning if you forgot one then you would have not been healed.
Did you include sins of ommission?

You obviously beleive we must confess each sin in order to be forgiven. What if you miss one or die before you can ask for forgiveness? Does that lead to sickness and or hell?

I am really sorry but all your post does is heap condemnation on genuine loving Christians who fall sick and are not healed.

You need be very careful. Many a great child of God has died in their prime through sickness.

Like this great man who converted from Islam when he found Jesus. Nabeel Qureshi who died at the age of 34
He left behind a wife and young children.

You gonna tell them he died because unconfessed therefor unforgivne sin, lack of faith for healing?

I though the day we are born and the day we die was determined even before we were born.
ITS GOD CHOICE AND DETERMINATION WHEN WE DIE NOT OURS.

I do pray and hope that God heals you completely but please understand that God does not heal every believer and if he does not it has nothing to do with with what you have posted.

Walk in humilty and thankfulness for what he has done for you and with love and compassion for those left behind when he calls his children home as a result of sickness.
That sounds nice and all but would you mind interpreting some scripture verses for me please?

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.


Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Need I go on?
 

BillG

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That sounds nice and all but would you mind interpreting some scripture verses for me please?

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.


Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
Heb 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Need I go on?
No not really.
Half of what you have quoted I can’t see any relevance to my post.

I am sayin that not all sickness is as a result of sin.

You seems to be agreeing with the opening post.

You have your views I have mine.
Lets leave it at that.

God bless.
 

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No not really.
Half of what you have quoted I can’t see any relevance to my post.

I am sayin that not all sickness is as a result of sin.

You seems to be agreeing with the opening post.

You have your views I have mine.
Lets leave it at that.

God bless.
You just didn't understand my post sir. It was indeed relevant to your post.
According to you, I'm the one heaping condemnation on the Christians, and I was trying to show you that it is God who is doing the condemning.

Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Jas 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mat13:38Thefield is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;but the tares are the children of the wickedone;[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mat13:39[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Theenemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of theworld; and the reapers are the angels.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mat13:40[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Astherefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall itbe in the end of this world.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mat13:41 TheSon of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather outof hiskingdomall things that offend,and themwhich do iniquity; [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Mat13:42[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Andshall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing andgnashing of teeth.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]
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Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


Mat 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
Mat 18:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

Yes, God is compassionate, loving, merciful, kind, and full of grace,... to them whose heart is right before Him. Just because you are born again, doesn't make your heart always automatically right. If you, as a child of God, REFUSE to forgive someone of their offense, that will come back on you by God refusing to forgive you of your sins. At that point, the mercy of God is toward those who repent of that unforgiveness and confess it, then the blood of Jesus can wash away that sin, but not until you repent. The grace of God is always there, but only to them who come to Him His way.
Planes don't fly in outer space where there is no air for the laws of aerodynamics to work, just because you want it that way. So don't try making the word of God say something it doesn't say, just because you want to believe something a certain way.
Do you think God would find your lack of forgiveness offensive? I guarantee you, according to His word that He very much sees that as offensive. And what does He say He will do if you refuse to forgive fellow believers?
He will not only punish you with a curse, that could be a sickness or disease, but also you wife, children, and all that you own. This promise is not to the wicked, but to the righteous.
For the most part, God does not punish the devil's children, but those who are His own.
I'm not condemning anyone sir, it is more than clear that God does not punish the righteous, but His own who are disobedient.
I am only saying what God has said in multiple places in scripture.
 
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if someone's idea of God is condemnation and getting yourself into some sort of behavior that God approves of, head's up...it is NEVER going to happen

all our righteousness is a filthy rag to God. if we are believers and we walk in the light, then our sins are forgiven

God will have mercy on who He will have mercy. it is not really about what we do or how right we think we are before Him

there is no one who is righteous

what is suggested in the op, and again in the post above, is a mashup of old and new testaments with a personal interpretation thrown in for good measure

bottom line? nuh uh
 
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I don't try to rationalize my healings, one way or another. I just thank God for them.