The New Testament Recovery Version from Living Stream Ministry?

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lulu0932313

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Is anyone familiar with the Bible version Recovery Version from Living Stream Ministry? I have got one in English and another one in German today at the university. But I am not sure if the translation and explanation of Living Stream Ministry are reliable. After searching for information about Living Stream Ministry on the internet I am not sure if I should keep them.
 

Hizikyah

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Never heard of it, I like as many translations as possible, even if it is a bad translation it can be cited to show how not all translations are true to the original text. but a good translation is key and I really like look at the original text to see what is originally written.
 

trofimus

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Is anyone familiar with the Bible version Recovery Version from Living Stream Ministry? I have got one in English and another one in German today at the university. But I am not sure if the translation and explanation of Living Stream Ministry are reliable. After searching for information about Living Stream Ministry on the internet I am not sure if I should keep them.
I would recommend to use some more known and used version that is not related to any specific ministry or group.
 

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Is that a translation associated with the Witness Lee group? If so, I'd be a bit skeptical.
 
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lulu0932313

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I would like to read it in original text as well. But it will take me a long time to learn Hebrew and Greek...
 

Hizikyah

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I would like to read it in original text as well. But it will take me a long time to learn Hebrew and Greek...
Concordances and Lexicons can be a wonderful help!

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Ephesians 6:17, “Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of Yah.”
 

FlSnookman7

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I would like to read it in original text as well. But it will take me a long time to learn Hebrew and Greek...

Blueletterbible.org also a great online concordance. Are you in China? I only ask because we hear so much about the amazing revival taking place there but we don't seem to get a lot of first hand accounts. Either way welcome to CC!
 
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lulu0932313

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I usually read ESV because the international church use this version which I have attented. There are so many versions in English that you can easily get confused.
Yes, that is the group of Witness Lee. I have heard about some bad news about the people associated with Witness Lee recently. But I don't know if they are true.
 
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lulu0932313

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I became a Christian in Europe so I haven't personally experienced life as a Christian in China. So I can't tell how the reality there is. As far as I know there are still a lot of heresies because of the lack of good teaching.
 

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I usually read ESV because the international church use this version which I have attented. There are so many versions in English that you can easily get confused.
Yes, that is the group of Witness Lee. I have heard about some bad news about the people associated with Witness Lee recently. But I don't know if they are true.
yes, for forty years they have known to have aberrant doctrine bordering on a cult.
 

Nehemiah6

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Is anyone familiar with the Bible version Recovery Version from Living Stream Ministry? I have got one in English and another one in German today at the university. But I am not sure if the translation and explanation of Living Stream Ministry are reliable. After searching for information about Living Stream Ministry on the internet I am not sure if I should keep them.
I did check this out from their website, and this is a version reflecting the teachings of Watchman Nee and Witness Lee. However, regarding this Bible it says The Recovery Version of the Bible is translated from the original languages according to principles and standards of translation established by major English translations of the last five centuries.

What this really means is that they are following the *critical* Hebrew and Greek texts, and it was not during the last five centuries that they were created, but during the last two centuries. These critical texts are based on corrupted Hebrew and Greek texts, and for the New Testament, essentially two extremely depraved manuscripts with thousands of changes, many of which have doctrinal significance.

Also, since this version has extensive notes which are based on their interpretations, some of which are mystical and some are questionable. For example (John 1:1):

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Christians take this to mean that long before creation (in eternity past) the Son of God existed as God the Word, the second Person of the triune Godhead. "The Word" is another name for the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God.

However the footnote for "the Word was God" says Not God the Son only, but the complete Triune God.That cannot be, since Jesus is not God the Father or God the Holy Spirit. There are three distinct Divine Persons within the Godhead. So this appears to be Oneness Doctrine, which makes Jesus the triune God, and this is incorrect.
 
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Is anyone familiar with the Bible version Recovery Version from Living Stream Ministry? I have got one in English and another one in German today at the university. But I am not sure if the translation and explanation of Living Stream Ministry are reliable. After searching for information about Living Stream Ministry on the internet I am not sure if I should keep them.
Quicky Google result's page for reviews of it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Rec...20...0i22i30k1j33i21k1j33i160k1.0.xBNjivVujPA
 
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lulu0932313

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Thank you very much! I have cheked John 1:1. Yes, you are right about it.
Anyway the people are giving this version at the university for free these days. I am afraid that many people can be misleading by this version. It seems that they have organizations like Bibles for Europe, Bibles for America, Bibles for Asien helping them to spread this version...
 
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all these modern version are the product on end time apostacy
 
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lulu0932313

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So is KJV a bad version?
 

trofimus

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They are no more influanced by the end times apostacy then the KJV is.
For them, the KJV is the beginning of time and the time ended when somebody made a different translation into English :D
 

Nehemiah6

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So is KJV a bad version?
Quite the opposite. It has been the primary English language Bible for 300 years, and it is even now trusted by many Christians (in spite of all the anti-KJV propaganda). There are also foreign language Bibles which resemble the KJV and are based upon the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts. The Trinitarian Bible Society publishes and distributes these Bible worldwide, and they are squarely committed to printing ONLY the King James Bible, and no other version.


  • To promote Bible translations which are accurate and trustworthy, conforming to the Hebrew Masoretic Text of the Old Testament, and the Greek Textus Receptus of the New Testament, upon which texts the English Authorised Version is based.

See Trinitarian Bible Society.
 

trofimus

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Quite the opposite. It has been the primary English language Bible for 300 years, and it is even now trusted by many Christians (in spite of all the anti-KJV propaganda). There are also foreign language Bibles which resemble the KJV and are based upon the traditional Hebrew and Greek texts. The Trinitarian Bible Society publishes and distributes these Bible worldwide, and they are squarely committed to printing ONLY the King James Bible, and no other version.


  • To promote Bible translations which are accurate and trustworthy, conforming to the Hebrew Masoretic Text of the Old Testament, and the Greek Textus Receptus of the New Testament, upon which texts the English Authorised Version is based.

See Trinitarian Bible Society.
Its very important to note that their "Textus Receptus" is not the real historical Textus Receptus, but the KJV version of Greek text made by Scrivener in 19th century.

I bought it thinking they sell the real Textus Receptus by Stephanus, but no, its not the case.

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Also, their choice of using the masoretic texts leads them to many inconsitencies between the OT and the NT quotations from the OT. The New Testament writers did not use the masoretic text from the 9th century AD, thats why it does not match in the KJV.
 
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Nehemiah6

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Its very important to note that their "Textus Receptus" is not the real historical Textus Receptus, but the KJV version of Greek text made by Scrivener in 19th century. I bought it thinking they sell the real Textus Receptus by Stephanus, but no, its not the case.
Another strawman argument to cast aspersions on the KJV. For those who may not be familiar, apart from captilaization, punctuation, and such things, there are only minor differences between the Textus Receptus of Stephanus (1550) and that of Scrivener (1894), and that is because the King James translators had access to many printed Greek texts and sometimes did not follow that of Stephanus. However, the net result is that the Textus Receptus is practically identical.

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Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
(John 1:1)
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

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Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
(John 3:16)
Οὕτω γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται, ἀλλ’ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον.
Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν κόσμον ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ' ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον

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καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶ τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ.καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Θεὸς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ ἀνελήφθη ἐν δόξῃ
 
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