The connection between Revelation and Daniel's 70th week

[HisPeace]

Does anyone have an explanation as to how, why or if the judgments of Revelation coincide with the general time frame of Daniel's 70th week? As I understand it the judgments of Revelation, starting with the 4 horses, apply to the whole world but Daniel's 70th week applies only to the Jews at the end-times.

Thanks!

 

[jb]

Does anyone have an explanation as to how, why or if the judgments of Revelation coincide with the general time frame of Daniel's 70th week? As I understand it the judgments of Revelation, starting with the 4 horses, apply to the whole world but Daniel's 70th week applies only to the Jews at the end-times.

Thanks!

This is a blog I did on Daniel's 70 Weeks prophecy which may be of interest to you...

 

[FEDERALIST]

sure the beginning of revelation 6th is the beginning of the 70th week in Daniel, more like gabraels prophecy.

 

[Enoch987]

I think the 6 seals are the outline summary of Revelation. The Trumpets and Bowls go into more detail. I could see the end times birthpangs as the 4 horseman. The birthpangs are the first half of Daniel's 70th week. Believers who say that the time of Jacob's trouble (Daniel's 70th week) applies only to Israel also believe in the pretrib rapture. In this post, I am not giving my opinon on the timing of the rapture. I am noting the pretrib rapture doctrine says that believers will be raptured before Daniel's 70th week.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

The first half (actually a little less than half) of the 70th week of Daniel was the ministry of Jesus as He offered Himself to Israel as their promised Messiah.
The remaining time (Daniel speaks of 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days in chapter 12) is the seals and trumps of Revelation.
It begins with the revealing of the man of sin with the opening of the first seal.
It is for Israel, but it will affect all the world as Satan, through the man of sin has his last fling before he is bound.
Satan has one goal, and that is to destroy God's creation. Israel, the Saints, and the physical earth before God cast him into the pit.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Does anyone have an explanation as to how, why or if the judgments of Revelation coincide with the general time frame of Daniel's 70th week?

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself gave us the connection between Daniel's 70th week (a period of 7 years, yet future) and all the judgments described in the book of Revelation. The connecting link is the Abomination of Desolation, which triggers The Great Tribulation.

It is because of this, and the repeated occurrences of 3 1/2 years (expressed as days, months, or years) that Bible students see the 70th week of Daniel as consisting of two segments of 3 1/2 years each. In the first segment the Antichrist and Satan are in total control the the world (see Revelation 13), but in the second segment, God pours out all His wrath upon the world just before the second coming of Christ (Revelation 6-18).

So one has to harmonize Daniel not only with Revelation but with the Olivet Discourse (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) as well as 2 Thessalonians 2, as well as all the Old Testament prophecies which speak of the Day of the Lord (the Great Tribulation).

 

[Ellsworth1943]

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself gave us the connection between Daniel's 70th week (a period of 7 years, yet future) and all the judgments described in the book of Revelation. The connecting link is the Abomination of Desolation, which triggers The Great Tribulation.

It is because of this, and the repeated occurrences of 3 1/2 years (expressed as days, months, or years) that Bible students see the 70th week of Daniel as consisting of two segments of 3 1/2 years each. In the first segment the Antichrist and Satan are in total control the the world (see Revelation 13), but in the second segment, God pours out all His wrath upon the world just before the second coming of Christ (Revelation 6-18).

So one has to harmonize Daniel not only with Revelation but with the Olivet Discourse (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) as well as 2 Thessalonians 2, as well as all the Old Testament prophecies which speak of the Day of the Lord (the Great Tribulation).

Not all bible students sees two segments of 3 1/2 weeks.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Not all bible students sees two segments of 3 1/2 weeks.

And they would be wrong.

That last seven years in Daniel are divided into two 3 1/2 periods, with the setting up of the abomination marking the middle of that seven years. These two 3 1/2 year periods are mentioned in Revelation as 1260 days (twice), 42 months and a time, times and a half a time. Therefore, Daniels seven year period is referred to in Revelation.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

And they would be wrong.

That last seven years in Daniel are divided into two 3 1/2 periods, with the setting up of the abomination marking the middle of that seven years. These two 3 1/2 year periods are mentioned in Revelation as 1260 days (twice), 42 months and a time, times and a half a time. Therefore, Daniels seven year period is referred to in Revelation.

Explain to us what Daniel is talking about in Daniel 12 when he speaks of 1290 days, 1260 days, and 1335 days.
In all your post you have never addressed this.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

And they would be wrong.

That last seven years in Daniel are divided into two 3 1/2 periods, with the setting up of the abomination marking the middle of that seven years. These two 3 1/2 year periods are mentioned in Revelation as 1260 days (twice), 42 months and a time, times and a half a time. Therefore, Daniels seven year period is referred to in Revelation.

I know you will not accept this, but you are not always correct in your belief.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Explain to us what Daniel is talking about in Daniel 12 when he speaks of 1290 days, 1260 days, and 1335 days.

Since we cannot possibly know every nuance of Daniel's 70th week, it would be presumptuous to try and explain these various time limits. But here is how they should be seen in a general way:

70[SUP]th[/SUP] Week (less 7 months)
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (approx 6 years and 5 months); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Dan 8:13,14)

First half of 70[SUP]th[/SUP] week + 1 month
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (3 ½ years + 30 days) (Dan 12:11)

Second half of 70[SUP]th[/SUP] week + 2 ½ months
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (3 ½ years + 75 days) (Dan 12:12)

We read "then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" which would add 75 days to the 6 years and 5 months shown above, bringing the total to about 6 years and 7 1/2 months. We know that the Lord said that the Great Tribulation would be shortened for the sake of the elect,so perhaps it is shortened by about 4 1/2 months.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Since we cannot possibly know every nuance of Daniel's 70th week, it would be presumptuous to try and explain these various time limits. But here is how they should be seen in a general way:

70[SUP]th[/SUP] Week (less 7 months)
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (approx 6 years and 5 months); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Dan 8:13,14)

First half of 70[SUP]th[/SUP] week + 1 month
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (3 ½ years + 30 days) (Dan 12:11)

Second half of 70[SUP]th[/SUP] week + 2 ½ months
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (3 ½ years + 75 days) (Dan 12:12)

We read "then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" which would add 75 days to the 6 years and 5 months shown above, bringing the total to about 6 years and 7 1/2 months. We know that the Lord said that the Great Tribulation would be shortened for the sake of the elect,so perhaps it is shortened by about 4 1/2 months.

I believe that it can be understood. But to do so, one must not allow previous teachings and beliefs keep us from learning what is there.

 

[dcontroversal]

The first half (actually a little less than half) of the 70th week of Daniel was the ministry of Jesus as He offered Himself to Israel as their promised Messiah.
The remaining time (Daniel speaks of 1290 days, 1260 days, 1335 days in chapter 12) is the seals and trumps of Revelation.
It begins with the revealing of the man of sin with the opening of the first seal.
It is for Israel, but it will affect all the world as Satan, through the man of sin has his last fling before he is bound.
Satan has one goal, and that is to destroy God's creation. Israel, the Saints, and the physical earth before God cast him into the pit.

Agree with 98% of this.......the only thing I see different

30 days of peace <--peace and safety sudden destruction
1260 days of the great tribulation
45 days of wrath

1335 days....

1185 days personal ministry of Jesus unto Israel
1335 days last time period of the 70th week

Together = 70th week

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Since we cannot possibly know every nuance of Daniel's 70th week, it would be presumptuous to try and explain these various time limits. But here is how they should be seen in a general way:

70[SUP]th[/SUP] Week (less 7 months)
Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (approx 6 years and 5 months); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. (Dan 8:13,14)

First half of 70[SUP]th[/SUP] week + 1 month
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (3 ½ years + 30 days) (Dan 12:11)

Second half of 70[SUP]th[/SUP] week + 2 ½ months
Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (3 ½ years + 75 days) (Dan 12:12)

We read "then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" which would add 75 days to the 6 years and 5 months shown above, bringing the total to about 6 years and 7 1/2 months. We know that the Lord said that the Great Tribulation would be shortened for the sake of the elect,so perhaps it is shortened by about 4 1/2 months.

What I have noticed over the years is that many end time beliefs are based on a few Scriptures and most of the time many Scriptures that speak to this are ignored. Daniel 12 is very seldom mentioned my those who are so sure of their belief.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

Agree with 98% of this.......the only thing I see different

30 days of peace <--peace and safety sudden destruction
1260 days of the great tribulation
45 days of wrath

1335 days....

Thanks, one of the few that agrees with me.

 

[Bladerunner]

Does anyone have an explanation as to how, why or if the judgments of Revelation coincide with the general time frame of Daniel's 70th week? As I understand it the judgments of Revelation, starting with the 4 horses, apply to the whole world but Daniel's 70th week applies only to the Jews at the end-times.

Thanks!

Some body is telling you wrong....The Judgements of Revelation is for the whole World.....All of it except!

So does Daniel's 70th week.

 

[Nehemiah6]

1185 days personal ministry of Jesus unto Israel...1335 days last time period of the 70th week
Together = 70th week

This is an attempt to make a mishmash of the 70th week (which has absolutely nothing to do with the ministry of Jesus in Israel).

The first half of the 70th week is described in Revelation 13.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [3 1/2 years]

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Bladerunner]

This is an attempt to make a mishmash of the 70th week (which has absolutely nothing to do with the ministry of Jesus in Israel).

The first half of the 70th week is described in Revelation 13.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [3 1/2 years]

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

What are you talking about.... You tell everyone to read it literally yet, you assume the timelines in Rev. along with days for each???????/ There are some chapters in Revelation that are strictly an 'article' type. By that I mean that Revelation takes a subject and simply expands upon it. I think you need to ck your hermeneutics

 

[Bladerunner]

Not all bible students sees two segments of 3 1/2 weeks.

I don't see how they come by that unless they just simply symbolize or allegorize the text. Times, Times and half times = 3.5 years. 42 months = 3.5 years and 1280 days = 3.5 years.

Then there is the verse In Matt. 24 where Jesus directly tell them about the "Great Tribulation" the last half of Daniel's 70th week.
There are many versus telling us about the timelines here. In fact there is more information here about the end days and what is going to happen then we know about Jesus from the time he was born to the time he was "caught-Up" (same word as the Rapture) to Heaven.

Now, Don't believe anything I say... but rather be like the Bereans Acts 17:11. To help you looking it up, my signature contains the whole verse.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

I don't see how they come by that unless they just simply symbolize or allegorize the text. Times, Times and half times = 3.5 years. 42 months = 3.5 years and 1280 days = 3.5 years.

Then there is the verse In Matt. 24 where Jesus directly tell them about the "Great Tribulation" the last half of Daniel's 70th week.
There are many versus telling us about the timelines here. In fact there is more information here about the end days and what is going to happen then we know about Jesus from the time he was born to the time he was "caught-Up" (same word as the Rapture) to Heaven.

Now, Don't believe anything I say... but rather be like the Bereans Acts 17:11. To help you looking it up, my signature contains the whole verse.

You are partially correct. Matt. 24 does tell about the last half of the 70th week of Dan.
But Dan. 12 speaks of 1290 days, 1260 days, and 1335 days. It suggest that this is the last half of the 70th week, not to be seen as 2 or 3 different segments to be added together.
Why is it that imminent return, pre-trib people never address Dan. 12? Never use it to prove their belief?
As far as Acts 17:11, I always follow the example, that is why I question and have a difficult time believing what some people put out there as fact.
And also, I do not like the man made word RAPTURE. The Scriptures we are gathered.