What happens to people who never here about Christ?

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This is a question I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. What if a person never hears about the Gospel and never knows there is a God who cares about them and does evil things but they don't know any better because they have never read the words of the Bible. Are they going to go to heaven or to hell?
 
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No one will be in heaven that did not come thru Christ nd no one in hell that does not deserve to be there....

To answer your question....they will die lost.....as tragic as that may seem note the following...

a. Day unto day and night unto night utters speech
b. The invisible things testify to the power of God
c. The conscience is built into all men
d. All men have an inherent desire to worship something
e. The grace of God that brings salvation shines down upon ALL MEN
f. God would have all men be saved and come to the truth

The bible states that all are accountable and none without an excuse.......
 

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This is a question I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. What if a person never hears about the Gospel and never knows there is a God who cares about them and does evil things but they don't know any better because they have never read the words of the Bible. Are they going to go to heaven or to hell?
The Bible says every creature knows the Creator, if they don’t they are suppressing the truth. The Bible also says that for them, their conscience is a law onto themselves. And it also says “He who knows the good he ought to do, yet chooses not to, sins.” So no worries, God has everything covered.
 
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No one will be in heaven that did not come thru Christ nd no one in hell that does not deserve to be there....

To answer your question....they will die lost.....as tragic as that may seem note the following...

a. Day unto day and night unto night utters speech
b. The invisible things testify to the power of God
c. The conscience is built into all men
d. All men have an inherent desire to worship something
e. The grace of God that brings salvation shines down upon ALL MEN
f. God would have all men be saved and come to the truth

The bible states that all are accountable and none without an excuse.......
While I agree with you, I am confused a bit.
I think you stated in another thread that some are chosen by God for Heaven, predestinated, and some are not.
Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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The Bible says every creature knows the Creator, if they don’t they are suppressing the truth. The Bible also says that for them, their conscience is a law onto themselves. And it also says “He who knows the good he ought to do, yet chooses not to, sins.” So no worries, God has everything covered.

O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me
 
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While I agree with you, I am confused a bit.
I think you stated in another thread that some are chosen by God for Heaven, predestinated, and some are not.
Correct me if I am wrong.
NO...what I said was.....over several posts

God made the wicked for the day of evil
MANY ae called but few chosen
MANY does not equal ALL
Numerous nations, cities and people were wiped out by Joshua without being given the chance to repent and or hear the truth'
Had not Jonah been sent Nineveh would have been wiped out without the chance to repent and or hear
Pharaoh was raised for the purpose of God's power being known He hardened his heart the first few times and God took over
I mentioned Judas as well

and maybe a few other things

The above does not change or alleviate the other truths that are applicable as well and what I have mentioned in this thread.
 
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NO...what I said was.....over several posts

God made the wicked for the day of evil
MANY ae called but few chosen
MANY does not equal ALL
Numerous nations, cities and people were wiped out by Joshua without being given the chance to repent and or hear the truth'
Had not Jonah been sent Nineveh would have been wiped out without the chance to repent and or hear
Pharaoh was raised for the purpose of God's power being known He hardened his heart the first few times and God took over
I mentioned Judas as well

and maybe a few other things

The above does not change or alleviate the other truths that are applicable as well and what I have mentioned in this thread.
I also referenced God knowing who will believe and who will not believe in light of the MANY called but few chosen statement...

I have always viewed election this way and even stated it this way...Before the casting down of the world God predetermined to receive (elect or choose) ALL who would come through Christ dia faith.

So.....As far as the verbiage you use in this post...I have never said it that way ever.
 
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I also referenced God knowing who will believe and who will not believe in light of the MANY called but few chosen statement...

I have always viewed election this way and even stated it this way...Before the casting down of the world God predetermined to receive (elect or choose) ALL who would come through Christ dia faith.

So.....As far as the verbiage you use in this post...I have never said it that way ever.
Thanks. I agree with what you said in this post.
 

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O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me
When I was speaking of knowing of God, I was speaking of like how an atheist is in denial. I was not speaking of knowing God in personal way, like relationship-wise, or how the sheep know the Shepherd. Both scriptures are in the Bible, with two different contexts...

”Every creature knows the Creator.”

and...

”With flames of fire He will take vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the gospel of His Son.”
 
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Not the most popular but remains the truth.The law of God by which we can know Him is found in the book of the law the Bible. It is the one standard by which he condemns or provides forgiveness.

For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;Rom 2:11

The gospel from a faith that comes from hearing God through the scripture to the same faith is limited by that which is written.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.Rom 1:16

The bible is the only place we can find the righteousness of God that he imputes to new creatures

The responsibility of getting it out to the world in respect to beautiful feet.
 

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This is a question I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. What if a person never hears about the Gospel and never knows there is a God who cares about them and does evil things but they don't know any better because they have never read the words of the Bible. Are they going to go to heaven or to hell?
Romans 2:12-16

"For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.
13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus."

From what Paul says here they have the Law of God written on their hearts and their conscience is what guides them. Notice verse 15, "their conflicting thoughts accuse them or excuse them" when does it accuse or excuse them from? verse 16, when Jesus judges the secrets of the heart.

There are those that say that if a person does not repent and confess that Jesus is Lord they will not be saved, which I agree with. Yet this portion of Scriptutre seems to make a conssesion for those that never have heard the Gospel, but in their hearts obey the Law of God. They understand that stealing ir wrong, that murder is wrong, having sex with someone elses wife is wrong and they either agnore their conscience or they obey their conscience to obey the Law of God.


 

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Job 19:25-27
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
KJV


Nobody ever shared the Gospel with Job; but God is willing and able to communicate the truth about Himself to anyone will receive it. He chooses to work through believers, for our benefit; but he is NOT limited to working that way.

Ro 10:13-15
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
KJV

We have, as believers , been given a task that allows us to demonstrate our love for the Lord through obedience; but nobody open to the truth will be denied the truth.
 

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This is a question I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. What if a person never hears about the Gospel and never knows there is a God who cares about them and does evil things but they don't know any better because they have never read the words of the B
ible. Are they going to go to heaven or to hell?



Bad Question:

This question, which is often posed, always asks what happens to people who are innocent, or who don't know about God.

But most philosophical questions which are anti-theistic tend to be illogical questions.
They usually start with presuppositions which are never established, and which are incorrect... such as the presuppositions here, that there actually IS anyone who is innocent, or who doesn't know about God.



2 Theological Views:

There are two theological view on this issue.

The Calvinist view:
A. There is no one who is innocent, who lives their life without committing willful sin.
B. There is no one who is without knowledge of God... as it is clearly shown in creation.


The Armininan view:
Oops... it's exactly the same as the Calvinist view.

It seems most theologians agree on this.



Next Question:

Now, if instead of wanting to know what happens to "innocent" people, who are "without knowledge of God" (which don't exist) you want to know what happens to sinners, in some remote place, who are repentant.... here the 2 theological camps might have some different answers.

But I think both theological camps would agree God has no shortage of mercy and grace, and he is always just.
 
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Devin02

This is a question I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. What if a person never hears about the Gospel and never knows there is a God
In the fall all ,men died in Adam...romans 3:23

Without Jesus they are dead men walking. That is why missionaries and Christians bring the gospel to all men...without it they perish!

who cares about them and does evil things
you are not saying God does evil things??? are you???
but they don't know any better because they have never read the words of the Bible. Are they going to go to heaven or to hell?
All sin will be punished in the sinner or the substitute....so apart from Jesus they perish.
 
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Hes 14... Cut him some slack
Bad Question:

This question, which is often posed, always asks what happens to people who are innocent, or who don't know about God.

But most philosophical questions which are anti-theistic tend to be illogical questions.
They usually start with presuppositions which are never established, and which are incorrect... such as the presuppositions here, that there actually IS anyone who is innocent, or who doesn't know about God.



2 Theological Views:

There are two theological view on this issue.

The Calvinist view:
A. There is no one who is innocent, who lives their life without committing willful sin.
B. There is no one who is without knowledge of God... as it is clearly shown in creation.


The Armininan view:
Oops... it's exactly the same as the Calvinist view.

It seems most theologians agree on this.



Next Question:

Now, if instead of wanting to know what happens to "innocent" people, who are "without knowledge of God" (which don't exist) you want to know what happens to sinners, in some remote place, who are repentant.... here the 2 theological camps might have some different answers.

But I think both theological camps would agree God has no shortage of mercy and grace, and he is always just.
 

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Hes 14... Cut him some slack


I never said anything unkind toward the OP.

The question he raised is a very common question,
and the resolution to the question lies in explaining that it is a "bad question."

This IS the only way to answer the question.



Pointing out logical errors is a common part of explaining basic apologetics issues.
If the problem is in a logical error, then the ONLY answer is in explaining that logical error.

Again, there IS no other way to answer the question.




I'm sorry that explaining a very BASIC apologetics issue, in a very basic way, somehow offended you.
 
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This is a question I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. What if a person never hears about the Gospel and never knows there is a God who cares about them and does evil things but they don't know any better because they have never read the words of the Bible. Are they going to go to heaven or to hell?
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law;
Rom 2:19 And art confident that thou thyself art a guide of the blind, a light of them which are in darkness,
Rom 2:20 An instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law.
Rom 2:21 Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal?
Rom 2:22 Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
Rom 2:23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?
Rom 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Rom 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Rom 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
Rom 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

God is a fair God,and will not condemn people that have not heard of the God of Israel,and His word,or not sufficiently,but they will be judged on their belief of a higher power,and their love of people,and a heart that strives to seek repentance from God if something is amiss,for they would not know it as perfect as one that heard the word of God.

Creation testifies that there is a higher power by the things that was made,and of His attributes,which one of them is love,for He provided food,and the means to make clothing,and shelter,so the world is without excuse,and covers the two greatest laws,love God,and love people.

The world that did not hear,or not enough,will be judged on their belief in a higher power,and love of people,and their conscience.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

At the end of the millennial reign of Christ,those that measure up to the testimony of creation can dwell with God.They cannot be caught up to be with Christ before the millenial reign,and cannot be in the millennial reign of Christ,but can join Christ and the saints if their works were right on earth.

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

God is a fair God,and His kingdom based on love,and wants everybody to come to repentance,and be saved,and all will judged fairly,according to the amount of information provided to them,and where much is given,much is required.

Creation testifies that there is a higher power,that created all things,and loves people,and covers the 2 greatest laws,which is what the Bible is all about for spiritual salvation,and is the universal law that covers the whole history of mankind,so the world is without excuse.

God wants everybody to be saved,so do not let people fool you in to thinking that it is not true,which they have their reasons why they believe that,but God wants all to be saved,and is fair.
 

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I also referenced God knowing who will believe and who will not believe in light of the MANY called but few chosen statement...

I have always viewed election this way and even stated it this way...Before the casting down of the world God predetermined to receive (elect or choose) ALL who would come through Christ dia faith.
compare that with this;
[h=2]Chapter 3: Of God's Decree[/h][FONT=&quot]1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]( [/FONT]Isaiah 46:10; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]Ephesians 1:11; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]Hebrews 6:17; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]Romans 9:15, 18; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]James 1:13; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]1 John 1:5; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]Acts 4:27, 28; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]John 19:11; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]Numbers 23:19; [FONT=&quot][/FONT]Ephesians 1:3-5[FONT=&quot] )[/FONT][FONT=&quot]2._____ Although God knoweth whatsoever may or can come to pass, upon all supposed conditions, yet hath he not decreed anything, because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.
( Acts 15:18; Romans 9:11, 13, 16, 18 )[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]3._____ By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice.
( 1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34; Ephesians 1:5, 6; Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4 )[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]4.______These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.
( 2 Timothy 2:19; John 13:18 )[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]5._____ Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto.
( Ephesians 1:4, 9, 11; Romans 8:30; 2 Timothy 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Romans 9:13, 16; Ephesians 2:5, 12 )[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]6._____ As God hath appointed the elect unto glory, so he hath, by the eternal and most free purpose of his will, foreordained all the means thereunto; wherefore they who are elected, being fallen in Adam, are redeemed by Christ, are effectually called unto faith in Christ, by his Spirit working in due season, are justified, adopted, sanctified, and kept by his power through faith unto salvation; neither are any other redeemed by Christ, or effectually called, justified, adopted, sanctified, and saved, but the elect only.
( 1 Peter 1:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 5:9, 10; Romans 8:30; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Peter 1:5; John 10:26; John 17:9; John 6:64 )[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]7._____ The doctrine of the high mystery of predestination is to be handled with special prudence and care, that men attending the will of God revealed in his Word, and yielding obedience thereunto, may, from the certainty of their effectual vocation, be assured of their eternal election; so shall this doctrine afford matter of praise, reverence, and admiration of God, and of humility, diligence, and abundant consolation to all that sincerely obey the gospel.
( 1 Thessalonians 1:4, 5; 2 Peter 1:10; Ephesians 1:6; Romans 11:33; Romans 11:5, 6, 20; Luke 10:20 )[/FONT]
 

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This is a question I have been thinking about quite a bit lately. What if a person never hears about the Gospel and never knows there is a God who cares about them and does evil things but they don't know any better because they have never read the words of the Bible. Are they going to go to heaven or to hell?

Hi Devin,

It's a great question and it use to bother me too. Until I studied Romans. :)

Romans 1:18-20
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in nrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Mankind is without excuse.

1. Within each and every person, God made Himself known. (Inner Witness)
2. God's creation itself tells us there's a God. (Outer Witness)

I could be wrong, but I believe that each person is visited by God - that He reveals Himself in a clear way so that when the day comes and they won't make it to heaven, they will know that there was a moment in time where they knew there was a God and therefore they'll have no excuse before God.

Those who reject God even thought they know He exists.

Romans 1:21-32
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Because I know God's character, I don't worry about anyone not being in heaven that's suppose to be and vice versa. No one in hell has an excuse to get out.

God is just and He's loving and kind and good. He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked.

Ezekiel 33:11

Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord God, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’