The physical form of the Triune Godhead shouldn't really matter

[Crustyone]

I think the main reason that the idea of having to believe in every detail that is written down about God and Christ is widely upheld is due to John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.) I feel that this is taken out of context. Those who believe this, take it to mean that everything about God or Jesus that is written about them, whether physical or spiritual has to be believed to be saved. If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity. What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

 

[NayborBear]

I think the main reason that the idea of having to believe in every detail that is written down about God and Christ is widely upheld is due to John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.) I feel that this is taken out of context. Those who believe this, take it to mean that everything about God or Jesus that is written about them, whether physical or spiritual has to be believed to be saved. If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity. What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

Here again, it seems people are confused between works, or efforts, which are pertinent towards Salvation, which, is believing, and accepting Jesus, as one's Lord and Savior, and works, or efforts "towards" election.


Meaning, ALL "elect" are, or WILL come, by the way of the "Cross of Christ", but, not all who come by the Cross of Christ, are elect!


Because, one is not chosen, doesn't mean one is not saved! No matter what people try to put on ones' shoulder/s, or guilt!

 

[Bogadile]

I do not quite understand what you mean by quoting Romans 1:28? Could you clarify?

 

[crossnote]

I think the main reason that the idea of having to believe in every detail that is written down about God and Christ is widely upheld is due to John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.) I feel that this is taken out of context. Those who believe this, take it to mean that everything about God or Jesus that is written about them, whether physical or spiritual has to be believed to be saved. If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity. What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

Physical form of God is not important because...

John 4:23-24 NASBS
[23] But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

But everything written about God is important...

Matthew 4:3-4 NASBS
[3] And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread." [4] But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I think the main reason that the idea of having to believe in every detail that is written down about God and Christ is widely upheld is due to John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.) I feel that this is taken out of context. Those who believe this, take it to mean that everything about God or Jesus that is written about them, whether physical or spiritual has to be believed to be saved. If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity. What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

well, speak for yourself

salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ

there is nothing in scripture that indicates in any way, shape or form, what you are trying to posit

in fact, it's nonsense

God does not have physical properties...which you would know if you studied the Bible

God is Spirit

since the entire NT is written around the fact of Jesus and God's plan for our salvation, you either missed that or never read it

If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity. What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

maybe you need to rethink the above because it makes no sense

 

[p_rehbein]

Way I am seeing this OP, someone here is trying to discount the Divinity of Christ.......maybe not, but it seems to me..........

Our God is a Triune God:

God the Father..........God of man

God the Son.......... God as man

God the Holy Spirit........ God within man

to attempt to make one or more of these unimportant appears to be an attempt to discount the Divinity of Christ......

(just saying)

 

[garee]

I think the main reason that the idea of having to believe in every detail that is written down about God and Christ is widely upheld is due to John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.) I feel that this is taken out of context. Those who believe this, take it to mean that everything about God or Jesus that is written about them, whether physical or spiritual has to be believed to be saved. If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity. What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

God does not have a physical form .He is supernatural (without a beginning)

He desires we walk by faith the unseen eternal . He does not except worship by the things made the temporal .

He did not want Adam and Eve to experience the death of their soul but by faith (the unseen trust Him) When in instant gratification they did the pleasure of another spirit that has no form who put his word on the mouth of a creature that did have form . (You shall not die) They did instantly die. This brought out the three avenues of the god of this world, the father of lies...

1John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

[Johnny_B]

I think the main reason that the idea of having to believe in every detail that is written down about God and Christ is widely upheld is due to John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.) I feel that this is taken out of context. Those who believe this, take it to mean that everything about God or Jesus that is written about them, whether physical or spiritual has to be believed to be saved.

You are the one taking it out of context, this is talking about the Father glorifing the Son with the glory they shared together before the world existed, which means the Son is eternal making Him God. The Son's work in salvation which He accomplished.

“When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you,2 since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.3 And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.4 I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do.5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”

It has not one thing to do with physical or spiritual in the way you are saying, but His word needs to be believed to be saved/sanctified, read John 17:17, “Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.”

If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity. What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

Again you take the Scripture out of context, Romans 1:28 is not talking about believers in the Lord Jesus, the Father and the Holy Spirit.

“And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.”

Notice the use of they, them and those, the apostle is not using us, we or our which would make these verses about those that believe, but even the attributes that are discribed are not what Christian should be practicing.

From what you are saying here, you do not confess Jesus as the Lord God. I Corinthians 12:3 “Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.”

You can not say Jesus is Lord as in God, because you do not have the Holy Spirit to lead you in all truth. This is not talking about saying the words, BAGD has "λέγω" as "give expression to orally" so the idea is to say that Jesus is Lord as an expression of truth in the Holy Spirit, not just saying words, anyone can say the words, Jesus is Lord. But to express Jesus as the Lord to be called on to be saved comes by the Holy Spirit.

 

[crossnote]

God does not have a physical form.

...until He became man.

Luke 24:39-43 NASB
[39] See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." [40] And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. [41] While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" [42] They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; [43] and He took it and ate it before them.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The physical form of the Triune Godhead shouldn't really matter

This is a rather bizarre title. To say that the triune Godhead has a physical form is to deny that both the Father and the Holy Spirit are Spirit Beings (Divine Persons with no physical form). Then to say that anything about God "does not matter" is to add insult to injury.

I think the main reason that the idea of having to believe in every detail that is written down about God and Christ is widely upheld is due to John 17:3 (Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.) I feel that this is taken out of context.

Why is it "taken out of context"? To know God and Christ as revealed in Scripture, and also to know them experientially, is the essence of eternal life. How else would anyone know about the one true living God unless it had been revealed by God Himself?

Those who believe this, take it to mean that everything about God or Jesus that is written about them, whether physical or spiritual has to be believed to be saved.

Well that is exactly what Scripture reveals. But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Not only does this mean that we must believe that God is real and really does exist, but we must believe all that He has revealed about Himself from Genesis to Revelation (which includes all that He has revealed about the eternal Son of God).

If, however, you look in Romans 1:28, it says (Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.) That tells us that the important things about God, and by inference Jesus, can be forgotten and will allow us to practice depravity.

What Romans 1:28 teaches is that those who shut God deliberately out of their hearts and minds end up as reprobates, and do practice depravity. Not just "the important things about God" but every thought concerning God.

What I understand from this is that knowledge of the physical properties of God and Jesus don’t matter, because they are not the things that will keep us from depravity and thereby save us.

Now this is totally NONSENSICAL, so perhaps you need to think the matter through. The context of Romans 1:28 is the entire first chapter of Romans, which does not speak about "the physical properties of God and Jesus" but the fact that God has revealed His eternal power and Divine attributes ("Godhead") in His creation -- this universe which He has created.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (v 20).

 

[Hizikyah]

John 17:3, "“And this is everlasting life, that they should know You, the only true Elohim, and יהושע Messiah whom You have sent."

New International Version
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

New Living Translation
And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

John/Yahanan 14:16-21, “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever. the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you. I shall not leave you orphans – I am coming to you. Yet a little while, and the world no longer sees Me, but you shall see Me, because I live, and you shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”

John/Yahanan 17:16-25, “They are not of the world, as I am not of the world. 17, “Set them apart in Your truth; Your Word is truth. 18, “As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. 19, “And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth. 20, “And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, 21, so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. 22, “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, 23, “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. 24, “Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25, “O righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I knew You, and these knew that You sent Me.”

 

[Zmouth]

The physical form of the Triune Godhead shouldn't really matter

Good question since faith is the substance of things hoped for "And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning." (John 15:27)


I would say definitely the substance matter, especially if one believes John 16:1-4. It is like being trapped in there net, and it is just a matter of time.