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joaniemarie

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I'm working toward depleted actually. The more depleted I am, the more God is in control.


OK., but how about this.... The more you learn about Jesus and behave like a daughter of God the Father because of Jesus., the more Gal. 2:20 will be true in your life. ?

[SUP]20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

 

joaniemarie

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So many Christians are fixed on their works when it's their identification with Christ that is the actual work.
We have been taught to sweat and stress or it doesn't count. But the Christian way is resting. Because the Bible says there IS A REST FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD. Jesus did the work., we rest in HIS finished work on the cross and we go forward IN Him... not our own righteousness mustered up by our works.

Our righteousness was a gift given at the time of our salvation. We can't become any more righteous than that. The Bible calls this "recon" it to be so. Believe this and walk by grace through faith in this life.
 
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jm,

we pray that you will learn how to 'rest' in your Faith -
and come to realize that our Heavenly Father doesn't need 'defending'...
He just wants to be Loved and Obeyed, and Trusted by His Little Flock...
 

joaniemarie

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Well that's kind of you oldthenew. And He is answering those prayers even before you began to pray for me because I am resting in Him and have faith that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day.

I don't defend God., But I do stand on the truth and seek to share it here on CC as well as in my day to day life with people.. Many Christians even don't know about the love of God IN Christ and are trying hard to work to earn it. So I'm keen to help those who need to be encouraged that Jesus already did the work that satisfied the Father 100%., we believers accept this by grace through faith. He finished the work and we rest.
 

Nehemiah6

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With all due respect sir, are there any teachers or pastors that you do approve of?
It is never a pleasant thing to expose false doctrine. Indeed, it is a thankless task. But since there is at least one person we know who has been snared by Prince, and others have been snared by the likes of Benny Hinn, John Bevere, etc. etc. there is no choice except to engage in this thankless task. Christians cannot simply stand by and let these people make a mockery of the Word of God, while they fail to provide proper exegesis and exposition. Every man who presents himself as a pastor or teacher takes on a tremendous responsibility to present God's truth, not his own notions.

This is not the first time that the errors of Joseph Prince have been brought to light on this forum, but it would appear that joaniemarie is bound and determined to continue to post these false doctrines. Someone will have to continue exposing the lies of Satan, and the next time it should be you.

To answer your question, we are commanded to "Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good". So it does not matter whether it is the Pope, John Calvin, Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince, Joseph Smith or anyone else. If they are willing to twist the Scriptures to suit their doctrine, then we should be willing to show why they are in error so that those who may possibly be deceived are alerted. At the same time there is no question that there are many preachers and teachers who do not deviate from Scripture, and we can simply say "Amen" when they present Bible truth.

The Lord has said again and again to beware of false Christs, false apostles, false teachers, and false prophets. Because we are approaching the end of the Church Age, these men (and women) are coming out of the woodwork to deceive the gullible. That is simply unacceptable and we can be thankful that they are being exposed for what they are.
 
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It's interesting to me how differently we each see our relationship with Christ. I see Jesus as the only way to joy and fulfillment and peace in life. There is a daily draining that comes from the world the flesh and the devil.

The only way to be filled is by the Holy Spirit ministering Christ to us. The Bible says "be ye being filled" we need this filling daily. He always points to Jesus and His righteousness towards us. How He has transformed us into a new creation. How that is part of the good news of the Gospel. Jesus came and saved us from our selves and our sin. He took our place and now we are sealed by the Holy Spirit and daily filled as we are submitting to His leading.

His leading is not grievous as some would have us believe. , Nor is it a bunch of joyless tasks. The Holy Spirit's leading is joy and health and peace. He leads us to green pastures. He is our Healer and says He is the Lord that heals us. Even the brokenhearted. I hold to the promises of Jesus that says He heals alllll our sicknesses and alll our diseases. Of all our body and mind and spirit.

And yes., Jesus is also about prospering His people both spiritually and physically as He satisfies our longings and all our needs because we have them as humans. John reminds us in 3 John 2 I've discovered the truth of how when He heals my spirit., my body gets healed as well.

As Jesus is so are we in this world. We are daily being made over to be more like Jesus. And the Holy Spirit is our personal Guide., Teacher.., and Comforter to take us to these great and precious promises. Prospering is not the goal, but it is of of the many many blessings and by products of the first and foundational blessing of following Christ and learning to be like Him. Following Jesus always brings JOY and PEACE and never leaves us lacking. I have lacked for nothing since following Jesus.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, I pray that you may prosper in every way and [that your body] may keep well, even as [I know] your soul keeps well and prospers.
Some clarity is needed in my agreeing with you to make sure everybody knows where I am coming from in regards to our faith in Christ.

There is no more supernatural filling of the Holy Spirit for the saved believers since being filled at our salvation is a testimony that we have been saved by coming to & believing in Jesus Christ to hunger & to thirst no more as promised.

John 6:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

It is in that way we are complete in Christ so that having received Him, we should walk in Him as led by the Spirit of God to do.

That said, I wish to point out that all that the Holy Spirit does, He gives the credit to Jesus Christ.

That means the words of the Spirit, the fruits of the Spirit, and the gifts of the Spirit are by Jesus Christ.

John 14:
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Philippians 1:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.......[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

The credit & the glory is given to Jesus Christ in being our Good Shepherd in leading us by the Holy Spirit in us.

Matthew 28:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.......[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

In these movements of the "Spirit" where saved believers seek to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation or to receive another baptism of the Holy Spirit "again" after sensational signs in the flesh that are in confusion, which God is not the author of, that is not glorifying the Son at all, but on those seducing spirits as the focus in worship is on what they address as the Holy Spirit, but they are not.

That is why the real indwelling Holy Spirit will never share in the spotlight in worship nor take that spotlight even for a second away from the Son because the Son is the Bridegroom as we are to be intimate with God the Father by the only way of the Son. That is why all invitations points to coming to the Son as the only way in coming to God the Father so He can call sinners away from their spirits & their practice of worshiping spirits and other "gods" to a personal reconciled relationship with God through the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is spiritual fornication being committed as well as spiritual adultery that the church at Thyatira were committing in Revelation 2nd chapter from which they have uttered the depths of Satan by which they speak; tongues without interpretation which is not of other men's lisp to speak unto the people, but vain & profane babbling nonsense.

So Paul's call to be filled with the Spirit is not the same as saying "being filled with the Spirit" when Paul was calling believers to be sober; to remain filled with the fruits of the Spirit rather than sow to the works of the flesh like being drunk with wine wherein there is excess; but not so with the Spirit, because we are filled since we have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ when coming to & believing in Him.

So I do acknowledge the ministry of the Holy Spirit & the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, but let us remember WHO the Holy Spirit is pointing us to continually GO TO & RESPOND TO in living that reconciled relationship with God and that is through the Bridegroom, the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ; our first love so that sinners can leave their practice of focusing on the spirits to seeking His face in worship alone.

Psalm 27:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Hear, O Lord, when I cry with my voice: have mercy also upon me, and answer me.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, Lord, will I seek.[SUP]9 [/SUP]Hide not thy face far from me; put not thy servant away in anger: thou hast been my help; leave me not, neither forsake me, O God of my salvation.

This is a warning to all saved believers that if they do not repent from seeking to be filled by the Holy Spirit after so many other sensational signs in the flesh, then like the foolish virgins out to the market seeking to be filled, you will not be found ready to be received by the Bridegroom because the prudent virgins know they have been filled since they had come to & believed in Jesus Christ when they got saved.

This is why I needed to clarify when I "agree" with you because some believers will take what you say and twist it to mean seeking to be filled supernaturally by the Holy Spirit apart from salvation again and again and again, seeking their own glory in having that "other" drink which I say is from another "fountain".

Proverbs 25:[SUP]26 [/SUP]A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory.[SUP] 28 [/SUP]He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

1 Corinthians 12:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
 
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Between the Teaching from Prince is a subtle you don’t have to Keep His Commandments to be Blessed by Him..

the child should do what his parents ask they know best.

GOD Knows best always and forever.. if He says jump we jump. If He states not to eat fruit from that tree then we eat not.. no matter how many princes come along with a tempting feel good message.

Luke 11


27And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Amen, sis!
 
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Well, you are free to see God the way you see Him and I am free to see Him the way I'm learning to see Him.
If you don't like these devotionals or believe in the manifold blessings that God has for us in Christ than you are free to avoid my posts.

A responsible christian would do what Nehemiah6 & others are doing, and that's exposing false doctrine.
These threads promote Joseph Prince and his doctrines, and nothing more.
[FONT=&quot]you are free to avoid my posts. [/FONT]
We're also free to jump right in and discuss any time we want. Since we love the truth, we will defend it.
But what can we say to someone who scatters false doctrine and defends it?
 

Desertsrose

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The servant is doing it out of duty and although servants loved their masters., they were still servants. The Bible says we are no longer to be called servants but heirs and joint heirs with Christ. We are sons and daughters of the most High. If you believe that is an "all about me" teaching than you are wrong. (if you are saying this)
Hi joaniemarie, Here's the context of where Jesus calls us His friends.

John 15:15-20

“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you.

No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. This I command you, that you love one another.



“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also.

We are friends if we obey. We must be born again and therefore once we are, we will be obedient children.

So we obey, bear fruit, love one another - and then he says in the same breath, that a slave is not greater than his master. So although he calls us friends, it doesn't negate the fact that God is God and we are not.

As the Lord's slave, we are not greater than He is (The Master) and so because the world persecuted Him, they will also persecute us.

Paul, James, Peter, John and Jude all called themselves bondservants. As friends of
Jesus, we also become His bondservant.

We are not slaves in the worldly sense of the word. We are willing servants, like in the OT where the slave loved his master and had his ear pierced with an awl.

We lovingly and willingly serve our Lord and Savior. The word Lord should be enough to show that we serve Him as a bondservant.


 

FlSnookman7

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It is never a pleasant thing to expose false doctrine. Indeed, it is a thankless task. But since there is at least one person we know who has been snared by Prince, and others have been snared by the likes of Benny Hinn, John Bevere, etc. etc. there is no choice except to engage in this thankless task. Christians cannot simply stand by and let these people make a mockery of the Word of God, while they fail to provide proper exegesis and exposition. Every man who presents himself as a pastor or teacher takes on a tremendous responsibility to present God's truth, not his own notions.

This is not the first time that the errors of Joseph Prince have been brought to light on this forum, but it would appear that joaniemarie is bound and determined to continue to post these false doctrines. Someone will have to continue exposing the lies of Satan, and the next time it should be you.

To answer your question, we are commanded to "Prove all things and hold fast to that which is good". So it does not matter whether it is the Pope, John Calvin, Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince, Joseph Smith or anyone else. If they are willing to twist the Scriptures to suit their doctrine, then we should be willing to show why they are in error so that those who may possibly be deceived are alerted. At the same time there is no question that there are many preachers and teachers who do not deviate from Scripture, and we can simply say "Amen" when they present Bible truth.

The Lord has said again and again to beware of false Christs, false apostles, false teachers, and false prophets. Because we are approaching the end of the Church Age, these men (and women) are coming out of the woodwork to deceive the gullible. That is simply unacceptable and we can be thankful that they are being exposed for what they are.

So then you have no pastors you approve of or you just do not want to answer?
 

FlSnookman7

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Well that's kind of you oldthenew. And He is answering those prayers even before you began to pray for me because I am resting in Him and have faith that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day.

I don't defend God., But I do stand on the truth and seek to share it here on CC as well as in my day to day life with people.. Many Christians even don't know about the love of God IN Christ and are trying hard to work to earn it. So I'm keen to help those who need to be encouraged that Jesus already did the work that satisfied the Father 100%., we believers accept this by grace through faith. He finished the work and we rest.
Amen. It is always easy to see those who have been set free from bondage. Their posts are love filled and uplifting while those still in bondage seek only to find fault. I know the Christians I encounter in life are much the same way. Miserable because they do not trust in and rest in Jesus finished work or peaceful and joy filled because they know and trust Him.

To quote Charles Spurgeon...The Word of God is like a lion. You don't have to defend a lion. All you have to do is let the lion loose, and the lion will defend itself.”

Since the time of Paul there have been those who simply can not accept the gospel of Jesus,
so great to see you and others keep putting the truth out there so others may see it!
How wonderful to rest in Jesus eternal promises! Keep letting His light shine through you!
 
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stonesoffire

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The more I deplete, the more he completes.
Holy Spirit doesn't fill us half way Lynn. We are completed already in our Spirit.

John the Baptist said that he must decrease that Jesus would increase. Speaking of his ministry and his followers. His thinking died with him. Resurrection life is the goal of the gospel. And Paul presents it as this way..

~Php 3:8  Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
 

Php 3:9  And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 


Php 3:10  That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 


Php 3:11  If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 
Straining Toward the Goal
Php 3:12  Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.
 

Php 3:13  Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
 

Php 3:14  I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 


Php 3:15  Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you. 


Php 3:16  Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing. 


Php 3:17  Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. 


Php 3:18  (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
 

Php 3:19  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
 

Php 3:20  For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
 

Php 3:21  Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself. 

I don't know if he is referencing the rapture here or he actually thought death could be overcome in this life by the life of Christ within. Some believe this. I'm not sure.

But, what I know is that we are complete now in Him within our Spirit, but we yet have old ways of thinking that must be changed with the revelation of Jesus.

And this is what Prince is doing. Preaching the revelation of the gospel...religion and religious thinking would stifle and stamp it out because it's a spirit. The very nature of the natural man without God.

Don't let the old man speak. Speak truth. He is dead. Declare it. We are risen in new life. The new creation man. Sons of God.

Seek Him.

 

stonesoffire

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Hi joaniemarie, Here's the context of where Jesus calls us His friends.

John 15:15-20

“This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command you.

No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. This I command you, that you love one another.



“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A slave is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also.

We are friends if we obey. We must be born again and therefore once we are, we will be obedient children.

So we obey, bear fruit, love one another - and then he says in the same breath, that a slave is not greater than his master. So although he calls us friends, it doesn't negate the fact that God is God and we are not.

As the Lord's slave, we are not greater than He is (The Master) and so because the world persecuted Him, they will also persecute us.

Paul, James, Peter, John and Jude all called themselves bondservants. As friends of
Jesus, we also become His bondservant.

We are not slaves in the worldly sense of the word. We are willing servants, like in the OT where the slave loved his master and had his ear pierced with an awl.

We lovingly and willingly serve our Lord and Savior. The word Lord should be enough to show that we serve Him as a bondservant.


The first commandment is ye must be born again. Is Prince not teaching this? There is our obedience. The disobedient reject Jesus. There is rebellion, and the natural man.

Do you really know what and who you are DRose?
 

stonesoffire

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Amen. It is always easy to see those who have been set free from bondage. Their posts are love filled and uplifting while those still in bondage seek only to find fault. I know the Christians I encounter in life are much the same way. Miserable because they do not trust in and rest in Jesus finished work or peaceful and joy filled because they know and trust Him.

To quote Charles Spurgeon...The Word of God is like a lion. You don't have to defend a lion. All you have to do is let the lion loose, and the lion will defend itself.”

Since the time of Paul there have been those who simply can not accept the gospel of Jesus,
so great to see you and others keep putting the truth out there so others may see it!
How wonderful to rest in Jesus eternal promises! Keep letting His light shine through you!
For some reason I don't have a like button on this post. So am liking it this way. God bless you!... can rep though. lol
 

Desertsrose

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So many Christians are fixed on their works when it's their identification with Christ that is the actual work.
We have been taught to sweat and stress or it doesn't count. But the Christian way is resting. Because the Bible says there IS A REST FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD. Jesus did the work., we rest in HIS finished work on the cross and we go forward IN Him... not our own righteousness mustered up by our works.

Our righteousness was a gift given at the time of our salvation. We can't become any more righteous than that. The Bible calls this "recon" it to be so. Believe this and walk by grace through faith in this life.
Who here believes they work themselves into righteousness. Can you name one person? This is no new truth. It's a truth over 6000 years old. It began with Abraham. Because he loved God, because he had faith, it was counted as righteousness and therefore he lived a life of obedience. That's what righteousness does, it works.

When I read the threads you'll find hardly any that believes we work to make ourselves righteous. You've got it backwards. Our obedience is a proof of our love for Jesus that we're born again, children of God who love Him and love our neighbor.

As we walk by faith and through His empowering grace, we will walk in obedience. We will work and bear fruit. He's designed us to and so we will be who we are. The righteousness of God in Christ. Those who live out their righteousness by faith.

It's no new teaching and it's not been lost. The extreme of this false teaching is what's new......or renewed in our generation to be a prominent false teaching.
 
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Amen. It is always easy to see those who have been set free from bondage. Their posts are love filled and uplifting while those still in bondage seek only to find fault. I know the Christians I encounter in life are much the same way. Miserable because they do not trust in and rest in Jesus finished work or peaceful and joy filled because they know and trust Him.

To quote Charles Spurgeon...The Word of God is like a lion. You don't have to defend a lion. All you have to do is let the lion loose, and the lion will defend itself.”

Since the time of Paul there have been those who simply can not accept the gospel of Jesus,
so great to see you and others keep putting the truth out there so others may see it!
How wonderful to rest in Jesus eternal promises! Keep letting His light shine through you!
Phil 1:15Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
 
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Who here believes they work themselves into righteousness. Can you name one person? This is no new truth. It's a truth over 6000 years old. It began with Abraham. Because he loved God, because he had faith, it was counted as righteousness and therefore he lived a life of obedience. That's what righteousness does, it works.

When I read the threads you'll find hardly any that believes we work to make ourselves righteous. You've got it backwards. Our obedience is a proof of our love for Jesus that we're born again, children of God who love Him and love our neighbor.

As we walk by faith and through His empowering grace, we will walk in obedience. We will work and bear fruit. He's designed us to and so we will be who we are. The righteousness of God in Christ. Those who live out their righteousness by faith.

It's no new teaching and it's not been lost. The extreme of this false teaching is what's new......or renewed in our generation to be a prominent false teaching.
**You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Desertsrose again.**
 

stonesoffire

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Phil 1:15Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from good will. 16The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
This makes no sense at all.
 

stonesoffire

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Who here believes they work themselves into righteousness. Can you name one person? This is no new truth. It's a truth over 6000 years old. It began with Abraham. Because he loved God, because he had faith, it was counted as righteousness and therefore he lived a life of obedience. That's what righteousness does, it works.

When I read the threads you'll find hardly any that believes we work to make ourselves righteous. You've got it backwards. Our obedience is a proof of our love for Jesus that we're born again, children of God who love Him and love our neighbor.

As we walk by faith and through His empowering grace, we will walk in obedience. We will work and bear fruit. He's designed us to and so we will be who we are. The righteousness of God in Christ. Those who live out their righteousness by faith.

It's no new teaching and it's not been lost. The extreme of this false teaching is what's new......or renewed in our generation to be a prominent false teaching.
Your love? Your love will fail. Do you not know that the love of God has been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit?

Gifts of God for our salvation. Back to the garden and in the place of Adam, sons of God where we don't fail...we don't eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but now the tree of life. And all the needs we have are supplied because we are His creation...and He loves us. Therefore we love. Scripture...not that we love Him, but He loves us first. His love cannot be matched. And only by His truth can we love in return. Truth that we all are of one body...and when we see our unity...perhaps we will flow in that unity together in response to our Head.

There is the revelation of truth. Do you not see?

Eyes need to be opened.