Subtle falsehoods in religious traditions that blind us

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unobtrusive

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Many times, things that seem to have no real damage to the truth of Christ can escalate into a pattern of life that we believe is acceptable to God. When we don’t give a second thought about the foundation of our participation, we assist in our own demise, never bothering to discern whether we are right or wrong in Gods sight.

The Christmas carol “Joy to the World” was going through my mind this morning. I started repeating the song’s words in my head, and began wondering what the song had to do with the “first advent” of Christ. We tend to associate things with traditions, giving no thought about the true content. Taking things for granted without thinking is actually sinful.

If you notice the lyrics of the song, Joy to the World, you will see nothing about shepherds, a manger, wise men, angels, or any other character or element that we normally associate with the Christmas story. The reason being that Isaac Watts did not write Joy to the World to be a Christmas song. The original theme of this song was the second coming of the Lord. Christmas won’t always be a joyful time, but when Jesus comes back, even the rocks will sing!

Over 100 years later, in 1839, Lowell Mason adapted and arranged this song into a melody many believe to have been written by Handel. In my research, however, I have not been able to establish when or why this hymn became associated with Christmas. Certainly we can look at the message in the song and see by tradition that it can be applied to Christ’s appearance as a babe in Bethlehem, but that is quite far reaching to say the least. We must prepare room for Him in our hearts and lives. This is a joyous occasion!

Joy to the World , the Lord is come!
Let earth receive her King;
Let every heart prepare Him room,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven, and Heaven, and nature sing.

Joy to the World, the Savior reigns!
Let men their songs employ;
While fields and floods, rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat, repeat, the sounding joy.

No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as, the curse is found.

He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders, wonders, of His love.


“Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.” (Psalm 2:9)

“And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” (Revelation 19:15)


For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1)

Hopefully, we will be singing this song soon, in the context of prophecy that it clearly defines.













 
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Hizikyah

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The word of Yah first and we filter everything through it. I tank many get very used to a worldly lifestye it becomes the oppisite, the word is filtered through the modern culture, one own desires, or whatever one is commonly used to.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 119:105, “Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.”[/FONT]
 

hornetguy

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Jan 18, 2016
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Many times, things that seem to have no real damage to the truth of Christ can escalate into a pattern of life that we believe is acceptable to God. When we don’t give a second thought about the foundation of our participation, we assist in our own demise, never bothering to discern whether we are right or wrong in Gods sight.

The Christmas carol “Joy to the World” was going through my mind this morning. I started repeating the song’s words in my head, and began wondering what the song had to do with the “first advent” of Christ. We tend to associate things with traditions, giving no thought about the true content. Taking things for granted without thinking is actually sinful.

If you notice the lyrics of the song, Joy to the World, you will see nothing about shepherds, a manger, wise men, angels, or any other character or element that we normally associate with the Christmas story. The reason being that Isaac Watts did not write Joy to the World to be a Christmas song. The original theme of this song was the second coming of the Lord. Christmas won’t always be a joyful time, but when Jesus comes back, even the rocks will sing!

Over 100 years later, in 1839, Lowell Mason adapted and arranged this song into a melody many believe to have been written by Handel. In my research, however, I have not been able to establish when or why this hymn became associated with Christmas. Certainly we can look at the message in the song and see by tradition that it can be applied to Christ’s appearance as a babe in Bethlehem, but that is quite far reaching to say the least. We must prepare room for Him in our hearts and lives. This is a joyous occasion!

Joy to the World , the Lord is come!
Let earth receive her King;
Let every heart prepare Him room,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven, and Heaven, and nature sing.

Joy to the World, the Savior reigns!
Let men their songs employ;
While fields and floods, rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat, repeat, the sounding joy.

No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as, the curse is found.

He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders, wonders, of His love.


“Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.” (Psalm 2:9)

“And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.” (Revelation 19:15)


For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1)

Hopefully, we will be singing this song soon, in the context of prophecy that it clearly defines.













good observation. When looking at the lyrics, it is difficult to see it as only a "Christmas" song. The only thing I can see would be the phrase "the Lord is come"... as in, the birth of Christ. But as you point out, it is more likely speaking of the second coming of Jesus...

Very interesting thoughts.....
 

loveme1

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Another thought provoking thread from my friend unobtrusive.. you always get us thinking.

I once enjoyed singing Jerusalem... but no longer can partake after knowing GOD’s Truth..

here are the words:

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountain green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
 

notuptome

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May 17, 2013
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Seems perfectly reasonable to me to sing of the Christ child at Christmas time. Jesus is much more than just a babe in the manger. His is the hope of the world for eternity.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#6
Another thought provoking thread from my friend unobtrusive.. you always get us thinking.

I once enjoyed singing Jerusalem... but no longer can partake after knowing GOD’s Truth..

here are the words:

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountain green?
And was the holy Lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark satanic mills?

Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
This little "diddy" (no disrespect intended, I assure you), is probably an "over romanticism" (yet, not really, in a "prophetic" sense), of a little known truth, that Joseph of Aramathia, who was an entrepreneur, a "tin" merchant, had, on occasion/s, had an extra "passenger", accompanying him, who was a pretty young child, at the time. One called Jesus!
 

unobtrusive

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Jul 23, 2017
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Here is another song that points toward the second advent.


O Come O Come Emmanuel

O come, O come, Emmanuel
And ransom captive Israel
That mourns in lonely exile here
Until the Son of God appear
Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

O come, Thou Rod of Jesse, free
Thine own from Satan's tyranny
From depths of Hell Thy people save
And give them victory o'er the grave
Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

O come, Thou Day-Spring, come and cheer
Our spirits by Thine advent here
Disperse the gloomy clouds of night
And death's dark shadows put to flight.
Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

O come, Thou Key of David, come,
And open wide our heavenly home;
Make safe the way that leads on high,
And close the path to misery.
Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.

O come, O come, Thou Lord of might,
Who to Thy tribes, on Sinai's height,
In ancient times did'st give the Law,
In cloud, and majesty and awe.
Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel
Shall come to thee, O Israel.
 

loveme1

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Oct 30, 2011
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This little "diddy" (no disrespect intended, I assure you), is probably an "over romanticism" (yet, not really, in a "prophetic" sense), of a little known truth, that Joseph of Aramathia, who was an entrepreneur, a "tin" merchant, had, on occasion/s, had an extra "passenger", accompanying him, who was a pretty young child, at the time. One called Jesus!
None taken.. not sure I follow but none taken hehe.. I was sharing my own ignorance as the author of the thread speaks of.. I actually see something deeper.. but that is for another day.
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#9
None taken.. not sure I follow but none taken hehe.. I was sharing my own ignorance as the author of the thread speaks of.. I actually see something deeper.. but that is for another day.
If taken in a "timeline" sense of world history, since Jesus' time, It would "appear", that the "light shining on a hill top", or the "spread" of Christianity, (not so much Catholicism), "emanated", if you will, from England!