Biblical inerrancy vs. Creeds

[Enoch987]

1 Peter 1:20 Jesus was chosen before creation.
Hebrews 1:8-9 Jesus was anointed from his companions (before creation).
Luke 9:35 at the Transfiguration, God said, "This is my chosen son."
Archetypes: Shem and Abram are listed as firstborn sons but both are born third.
Simpler archetypes: Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Ephraim.
Why do you ignore these verses so you can interpret the Bible according to the Creeds?

 

[Snoozy]

what creeds? who ignores these verses? i dont understand at all

 

[tourist]

what creeds? who ignores these verses? i dont understand at all

He might have you on ignore.

 

[Willie-T]

1 Peter 1:20 Jesus was chosen before creation.
Hebrews 1:8-9 Jesus was anointed from his companions (before creation).
Luke 9:35 at the Transfiguration, God said, "This is my chosen son."
Archetypes: Shem and Abram are listed as firstborn sons but both are born third.
Simpler archetypes: Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Ephraim.
Why do you ignore these verses so you can interpret the Bible according to the Creeds?

Who is "you"?

 

[Snoozy]

He might have you on ignore.

why ive never said anything to him

 

[Locutus]

Who is "you"?

It can't be me cos I don't follow creeds.

 

[tourist]

why ive never said anything to him

Sorry, I was just making fun of the OP's ignore statement.

 

[kaylagrl]

It can't be me cos I don't follow creeds.

I didn't follow them but I liked a few of their songs...Oh wait wrong thread.

 

[tourist]

I didn't follow them but I liked a few of their songs...Oh wait wrong thread.

I see a bad moon a-rising
I see trouble on the way
I see earthquakes and lightnin'
I see bad times today

 

[Hizikyah]

Isayah 34:16, "Search from the book of יהוה, and read: not one of these shall be missing, not one shall be without a mate, for He has commanded my mouth. And His Spirit shall gather them."

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Proverbs 30:5, “Every Word of the Mighty One is true; He is a shield to those taking refuge in Him.”

Psalms 12:6, “The Words of יהוה are clean Words, Silver tried in a furnace of earth, Refined seven times.”

 

[kaylagrl]

I see a bad moon a-rising
I see trouble on the way
I see earthquakes and lightnin'
I see bad times today

Dont go round tonight

Its bound to take your life

There's a bad moon on the rise

CCR,my father has sung this to us since we were kids.lol

 

[Magenta]

Archetypes: Shem and Abram are listed as firstborn sons but both are born third.

Perhaps they are referring to first born in a way other than through natural birth.

 

[Issachar92]

Perhaps they are referring to first born in a way other than through natural birth.

Yup its a reference to pre-eminence, not the order of birth.

 

[Locutus]

It's best not to give to much credence to creeds.

 

[kaylagrl]

It's best not to give to much credence to creeds.

​Now there's a good creed to live by!

 

[Willie-T]

I think there is a lot of validity to creeds.

Since the turn of the century, Christians have looked for ways to identify other orthodox Christians. Prior to this time creeds and confessions did the job. With the rise of denominationalism, a divided institutional body of Christ, and the proliferation of divergent unorthodox doctrines, the church has worked to unify under some doctrinal standard.

An attempt was made to articulate the "fundamentals” of the Christian faith with the publication of twelve volumes called The Fundamentals (1910-15). But with divergent organizational ties, there still was no way to initiate a single expression of Christian orthodoxy.

Today, with the neglect of the creeds and historic confessions, individual Christians have been drawing the lines of Christian orthodoxy on their own. It's been fashionable to despise church tradition because it tends to be absolutized by some.

But this real potential for abuse should not stop the Church of Jesus Christ from drawing on the experiences and wisdom of our Christian brethren of past generations. Can we honestly say that we are any wiser?

 

[crossnote]

1 Peter 1:20 Jesus was chosen before creation.
Hebrews 1:8-9 Jesus was anointed from his companions (before creation).
Luke 9:35 at the Transfiguration, God said, "This is my chosen son."
Archetypes: Shem and Abram are listed as firstborn sons but both are born third.
Simpler archetypes: Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Ephraim.
Why do you ignore these verses so you can interpret the Bible according to the Creeds?

Was this one of your Creeds?

 

[crossnote]

It's best not to give to much credence to creeds.

Is that your Creed?

 

[crossnote]

My point is that we all have creeds even if (and I hope it is) it is Sola Scriptura. Creed means 'belief' and when you state your belief in whatever, you are stating your creed.

 

[maxwel]

Hypothetically, the label of "creed" has no ability to make a thing either good or bad.

It's either a biblical creed, or it's not a biblical creed.
We either agree with it or we don't.
Even many cults have creeds, and lets not forget, you can have an active "creed" and never even call it that.
So the word "creed", in itself, can refer to just about anything.

So first of all, we could dispense with attacking the word "creed", and just get back to whether or not certain doctrines are biblical, or whether "particular" creeds are biblical.


But I don't think anyone gets to attack the word "creed" as if it's inherently evil.
Because in actuality, that person probably holds to some kind of creed, even if it isn't written down.


It's fine to debate doctrine.
But the word "creed" isn't a doctrine, it's a set of beliefs, and theoretically it can be ANY set of beliefs.
So in order to be coherent, we need to stop attacking vague words that can mean anything, and get back to discussing particular doctrines... doctrines which we can identify and articulate.