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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    following God's word does not lead one to a place of Sabbath keeping for salvation. following ellen white's doctrine will lead one to hell, counting on keeping a day instead of faith and trust in a living Savior.

    Ellen White? Isn't she the one who said death was an illusion, and then she croaked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    1 John 2
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    And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Doesn't look good for some come judgement day...
    especially when John was not taking about the 10 Commands- he was referring to " believe in the name of the Son, and love one another" 3rd chapter of the SAME LETTER.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadkill View Post
    No one was saved by the Old Covenant as you understand it because you forget the very first Covenant that God made with man the Adamic Covenant. The Adamic Covenant saved people in the Old Testament because you Had to have FAITH that God was going to send the Messiah in the Future. We have to have Faith that Jesus is that Messiah.

    One of the last things Jesus said before he died on the Cross is that he makes ALL things New. You don't live in the age of the Mosaic Law anymore, you live in the age of Grace.

    Jesus told the Woman at the Well that there would come a day when they would no longer worship God in the synagogues but in the Spirit. He has done away with Judaism.
    Well that post has no truth in it whatsoever. It was you that said........
    Originally Posted by Roadkill

    Truth is what Jesus and his Apostles taught. It is something new from the Mosaic Law. You Legalist (Pharisees) are trying to put us back under that system when NO man has been able to live by it. Only Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law is Death to the rest of us if we rely on it. God would have Mercy not Sacrifice.
    When you understand this truth and put your entire faith in Jesus then you will see.
    and you still did not answer the questions I asked in relation to this post....

    What is a legalist and why do you accuse people of being a legalist?

    So according to you no one was saved in the Old Covenant?

    Why was the Old Covenant given if no one is saved from it and everyone before Christ is lost?

    If you do not KNOW God's Word how can you know what God's truth is?

    Look forward to you sharing the scriptures with us.

    Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS will NOT be saved come judgement day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman View Post
    Ellen White? Isn't she the one who said death was an illusion, and then she croaked?
    she founded the seventh day confusion/ deception , oops , I mean advent religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    here is Scripture- Acts 15- letter to the gentiles- Sabbath keeping - not mentioned. fruits of the Sprit- Sabbath keeping not listed- Sermon on the Mount- keeping the Sabbath not mentioned- Romans 1- Paul talks about sinful behaviors- not keeping the Sabbath not mentioned.

    whole lot of instructional Scripture in the N.T., above is a small sample, with no Shabbat mentioned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    especially when John was not taking about the 10 Commands- he was referring to " believe in the name of the Son, and love one another" 3rd chapter of the SAME LETTER.
    Seems God's Word disagrees with you.... CONTEXT; WHAT IS SIN?

    1 John 3
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    Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
    7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
    11, For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
    12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
    13, Marvel not, my brothers, if the world hate you.
    14, We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death.
    15, Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

    yep SIN will keep all who pratice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    especially when John was not taking about the 10 Commands- he was referring to " believe in the name of the Son, and love one another" 3rd chapter of the SAME LETTER.
    Amen brother! We need to interpret the meaning of John's writings by comparing them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Revelation 14:12 is {entole} which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. Example below:

    Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

    A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)

    *Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

    By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3) Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

    Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)

    *From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

    To believe in Jesus Christ
    To love one another
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Seems God's Word disagrees with you.... CONTEXT; WHAT IS SIN?

    1 John 3
    4,
    Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
    7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
    11, For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
    12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
    13, Marvel not, my brothers, if the world hate you.
    14, We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death.
    15, Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

    yep SIN will keep all who pratice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.
    when a man writes a letter, as did John, and mentions something like commands, which he did, and then explain what the commands are, which he did, in the same letter, that is straightforward.

    even more so, it mirrored strongly what His Lord taught. you refuse to accept this. you want to drag Sabbath into the mix, John did not. I 'll go with him.
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    MMD, you do not even KNOW what the Mosaic law is under the OLD Covenant do you? If you do not KNOW what the OLD Covenant is how can you know what the NEW Covenant is? If you do not know the Word of God how can you KNOW what the Gospel is?

    SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

    ...................

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    when a man writes a letter, as did John, and mentions something like commands, which he did, and then explain what the commands are, which he did, in the same letter, that is straightforward.

    even more so, it mirrored strongly what His Lord taught. you refuse to accept this. you want to drag Sabbath into the mix, John did not. I 'll go with him.
    You do not know God's word because you have no truth in you. You teach against the commandments of God this is something Jesus and the Apostle NEVER did.

    The CONTEXT of 1 John 3 is about SIN (Breaking God's Commandments) and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Obedience to God's Commandments).

    I believe ALL the Word of God how about you? You pick and choose what you want to believe in order for you to follow your traditions that break the Commandments of God. Those that do such things are not following God and will indeed answer to him come Judgement day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    Seems God's Word disagrees with you.... CONTEXT; WHAT IS SIN?

    1 John 3
    4,
    Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
    7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
    11, For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
    12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
    13, Marvel not, my brothers, if the world hate you.
    14, We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death.
    15, Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

    yep SIN will keep all who pratice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.
    Does this mean Paul is condemned? Here is a quote where he talks about his struggle

    Romans 7 NIV

    14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

    21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

    So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveGodForever View Post
    You do not know God's word because you have no truth in you. You teach against the commandments of God this is something Jesus and the Apostle NEVER did.

    The CONTEXT of 1 John 3 is about SIN (Breaking God's Commandments) and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Obedience to God's Commandments).

    I believe ALL the Word of God how about you? You pick and choose what you want to believe in order for you to follow your traditions that break the Commandments of God. Those that do such things are not following God and will indeed answer to him come Judgement day.
    and what did John say the Commands were- believe in the name of the Son, and love one another. good grief, it is plain as day. you are so steeped in idol worship you cannot accept plain, simple truth..

    faith and trust in Jesus Christ is the way to salvation. not keeping the Sabbath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mailmandan View Post
    Amen brother! We need to interpret the meaning of John's writings by comparing them with the other writings of John. The Greek word for "commandments" in Revelation 14:12 is {entole} which means "an order, command, charge, precept, injunction." The same word is used repeatedly in the writings of John to refer to the instructions of Christ. John uses an entirely different Greek word in his writings when he refers to the Ten Commandments: nomas. Example below:

    Did not Moses give you the law {nomos}, and [yet] none of you keepeth the law {nomos}? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19; Jesus is referring to the 6th commandment "Thou shalt not kill"--Ex. 20:13) According to John, the number one commandment {entolae} of Jesus to the Apostles was not Sabbath-worship, but for them to love one another:

    A new commandment {entolae} I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. (John 13:34) This is my commandment {entolae}, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. (John 15:12)

    *Notice how John refers to the "commandments" of God in his letter:

    By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments {entolas}. For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments {entolas}; and His commandments {entolae} are not burdensome. (1 John 5:2-3) Earlier in the same letter John tells us exactly what the "commandments" of God are:

    Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, [then] have we confidence toward God. And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His [God's] commandments {entolas} and do the things that are pleasing in His sight. This is His [God's] commandment {entolae}, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He [God] commanded {entolaen} us. The one who keeps His [God's] commandments {entolas} abides in Him,... (1 John 3:21-24)

    *From this we can see that in John's writings the "commandments" of God are:

    To believe in Jesus Christ
    To love one another
    Now MMD how can you know what the Gospel is if you do not KNOW what the Word of God is?

    A rebuttal for your consideration..............

    NEW TESTAMENT MEANING FOR LAW "NOMOS"

    Generally the word used for law in the NEW Testament Greek meaning is "nomos" νόμος ;nomos ;nom'-os From a primary word νέμω nemō (to parcel out, especially food or grazing to animals); law (through the idea of prescriptive usage), generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law.

    This word is used to cover all the OLD testament laws collectively that make up the OLD Covenant (TORAH) but it is the application of the word used in CONTEXT of the chapter and within scripture CONTEXT that determines its application and meaning.

    The use of the term law (nomos) in the New Testament is comparable. In some instances the word law refers to the Old Covenant Scriptures, and the focus is on the Pentateuch: “the Law and the Prophets” (Matt. 5:17; 7:12; 22:40; Luke 16:16; 24:44; John 1:45; Acts 13:15; 24:14; 28:23; Rom. 3:21; Matt. 11:13).

    In some texts “Law” alone seems to refer broadly to the Old Testament Scriptures (Matt. 22:36; Luke 10:26; John 7:49; 10:34; 12:34; 15:25; 1 Cor. 9:8–9; 14:21, 34; Gal. 4:21), though in some of these texts a particular precept from the Mosaic law may be in view as well (John 7:49; 1 Cor. 9:8–9; 14:34).

    Nevertheless, in the New Testament, as we saw in the Old Testament, the term law most often refers to what is commanded in the Gods law (10 Commandments). Matthew speaks of every “iota” and “dot” of the law (Matt. 5:18), and it is clear from the next verse that he is referring here to the “commandments” found in the law (Matt. 5:19).

    Elsewhere Matthew considers particular matters commanded in the law (Matt. 22:36; 23:23). Similarly, Luke often uses the word law to refer to what is prescribed in statutes (Luke 2:22, 23, 24, 27, 39; Acts 23:3) or uses the term to refer collectively to what is commanded in God's 10 Commandments (Acts 6:13; 7:53; 13:39; 15:5; 21:24; 22:3, 12; 25:8). Similarly, when John does not use the word law to refer to the Pentateuch or the Scriptures, he uses it to refer to the Mosaic law (John 7:19, 23, 51; 8:17; 19:7).

    Paul regularly thinks of the law in terms of its commands, and this is evident because he speaks of those who sin by violating the law, of the need to do what the law says, and of relying upon and being instructed in the law (Rom. 2:17, 18, 20).

    When Paul speaks of righteousness (Rom. 3:21; 9:31; 10:4; Gal. 2:21; 3:11; 5:4; Phil. 3:6, 9) or the inheritance (Rom. 4:13–14, 16; Gal. 3:18) not being attained via the law, he has in mind doing what the law commands.

    The law is conceived of as a body of commands summarized in the Mosaic covenant, which came at a certain time in history (Rom. 5:13; 7:4, 6; 9:4; 1 Cor. 9:20, 21; 15:56; Gal. 2:19; 3:17, 19, 21), and the phrase “under law” fits here as well (Rom. 6:14, 15; 7:1; Gal. 3:23, 24; 4:4, 5; 5:18).

    In the book of Hebrews the word law always refers to the Mosaic law for remission of sin and the levitical priesthoodand to the Mosaic covenant (Heb. 7:5, 11, 12, 19, 28; 8:4; 9:19, 22; 10:1, 8, 28), with the focus being on the prescriptions for priests and sacrifices that are offered.

    The above is not exhaustive but show that it is the CONTEXT and application of the Greek word "nomos" that determines what law it is referring to wheather God's LAW (10 Commandments), the Mosaic laws individually or collectively as the Torah or OLD Covenant.

    OLD TESTAMENT EQUIVALLENT FOR LAW GREEK WORD LAW (NOMOS) IS TORAH

    The word for law in the Old Testament Hebrew is torah; in the Greek New Testament it is nomos. It is often said that torah in the Old Testament does not refer so much to commands (to the keeping of commandments) as it does to instruction (to teaching) of the five books of Moses (Genesis; Exodus; Leviticus; Deuteronomy and Numbers)

    However in the Old Testament other descriptive words are used (e.g. Commandment(s); Statute(s); Ordinance(s); Testimony (ies) and Rule(s) to name a few) to separate the various laws of the Torah (collective) but once again like has been shown above the general word Torah can be used to refer to any one of the other words and it is the CONTEXT of application the determines the specific meaning

    For example....

    Verbs for Obedience

    KEEP (Gen. 26:5; Deut. 17:19; 28:58; 31:12; Josh. 22:5; 1 Kings 2:3; 1 Chron. 22:12; Ps. 119:34, 44; Prov. 28:4; 29:18; Jer. 16:11; Ezek. 44:24) WALK IN (Exod. 16:4; 2 Kings 10:31; Ps. 78:10; Jer. 26:4; 32:23; 44:10; Dan. 9:10)
    DO (Deut. 27:26; 29:29; 31:12; 32:46; Josh. 1:7–8) BREAK (Deut. 27:26; 29:29; 31:12; 32:46; Josh. 1:7–8) OBEY (Isaiah 42:24)

    Verbs for Disobedience

    FORGET (Hos 4:6; Ps. 119:61, 109, 153) TRANSGRESS (Dan 9:11 ) ABANDON (2 Chron 12:1) FORSAKEN ( Psalms 89:30; 119:53; Jer. 9:13) REJECT(S) (Isa 5:24; Jer 6:19; Amos 2:4)

    SO NO MMD your application and argument is shown through the scriptures to be false.

    The meaning of the word is generated through the CONTEXT of scripture application in the NEW Testament application of the Greek word used for law (nomos) as well as the OLD Testament use of the Hebrew word Torah and other Hebrew Words used to describe God's 10 Commandments.

    Now if you disagree with my rebuttal please by all means do what I have done with you and go through my post and prove it is not true with scripture if you cannot you should believe God's WORD. Sin will keep all who KNOWINGLY practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

    Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW IT. UNBELIEVERS HAVE NO PART IN GOD'S KINGDOM.

    ...................

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gb9 View Post
    and what did John say the Commands were- believe in the name of the Son, and love one another. good grief, it is plain as day. you are so steeped in idol worship you cannot accept plain, simple truth..faith and trust in Jesus Christ is the way to salvation. not keeping the Sabbath.
    You can ignore the CONTEXT of 1 John 3 all you like it is between you and GOD. The CONTEXT is those that break God's Commandments commit SIN and the difference between God's Children and the Children of the Devil is that Gods Children are Obedient and the children of the devil commit SIN (Break God's Commandments) This is the Context (1 John 3:3-15) of 1 John 3:23. Now there is no need for confusion here. Let's look at the scriptures....

    WHAT IS SIN??

    POST # 4133 (You ignored and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).


    VERSE BY VERSE CONTEXT COMPARISON OF 1 JOHN 3

    POST # 4137 (You ignored the CONTEXT comparison 1 John 3 and will not respond to the scriptures in the linked post).



    WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO LOVE IN 1 JOHN 3:23 ?


    POST # 4138 (Once again ignoring the scritpures showing that if you LOVE God you will be obedient to him linked)


    Yep a lot of scripture showing your interpretation of one scripture in NOT in CONTEXT and a lot of scripture that you have to ignore to hold on to your interpretation of God's Word in order to follow your traditions.

    Disagree? Please respond to the scriptures in the posts above that disagree with you? If you cannot you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another..

    This is sad for you my friend, you do indeed deny God's WORD. Practicing SIN and only having a form of Godliness and denying the power thereof will keep you out of God's KINGDOM.

    ................

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

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    Default Re: GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

    Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
    1 John 2
    3,
    And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Doesn't look good for some come judgement day...
    Doesn't look good for any who misuse the word keep. How can a person keep a ceremonial law (sabbath) designed to govern ceremonies and not the morals which apply to the whole world, that are used as shadows through the parables .

    To keep, to a child of God is to guard with all our new heart soul and mind. Scripture defines the words within. not Webster.

    Only the Son of man could keep them perfectly without error .

    To violate one law as in the garden a person will be found guilty of violating the whole law and will be subject to eternal damnation. The wage has not been changed to the temporal or what some call purgatory .

    Strongs lexicon... 5083 tereo {tay-reh'-o}
    from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to 2334); TDNT - 8:140,1174; v
    AV - keep 57, reserve 8, observe 4, watch 2, preserve 2, keeper 1, hold fast 1; 75
    1) to attend to carefully, take care of1a) to guard 1b) metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is 1c) to observe 1d) to reserve: to undergo something
    For Synonyms see entry 5874

    We guard or defend His source of faith, because it protects us like a suit of armor . We put in on and keep it on as long as we can, and if we sin he is our rear guard he will call those back to repentance. Therefore having begun the good work of salvation in us we have his confidence he will finish it to the last day . Ne give no keeping after the flesh .

    Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garee View Post
    Doesn't look good for any who misuse the word keep. How can a person keep a ceremonial law (sabbath) designed to govern ceremonies and not the morals which apply to the whole world, that are used as shadows through the parables .

    To keep, to a child of God is to guard with all our new heart soul and mind. Scripture defines the words within. not Webster.

    Only the Son of man could keep them perfectly without error
    To violate one law as in the garden a person will be found guilty of violating the whole law and will be subject to eternal damnation. The wage has not been changed to the temporal or what some call purgatory .

    Strongs lexicon... 5083 tereo {tay-reh'-o}
    from teros (a watch, perhaps akin to 2334); TDNT - 8:140,1174; v
    AV - keep 57, reserve 8, observe 4, watch 2, preserve 2, keeper 1, hold fast 1; 75
    1) to attend to carefully, take care of1a) to guard 1b) metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is 1c) to observe 1d) to reserve: to undergo something
    For Synonyms see entry 5874

    We guard or defend His source of faith, because it protects us like a suit of armor . We put in on and keep it on as long as we can, and if we sin he is our rear guard he will call those back to repentance. Therefore having begun the good work of salvation in us we have his confidence he will finish it to the last day . Ne give no keeping after the flesh .

    Ephesians 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
    Hello garee,

    You have your laws mixed up. The Sabbath is not a ceremonial law its a memorial law and its not a Mosaic law its God's LAW and the 4th Commandment in God's 10 Commandments. Breaking it like any of the other 10 is SIN and it is SIN that will keep all those who KNOWINGLY PRACTICE it OUT of God's KINGDOM

    .......................

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

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    WHAT IS SIN?

    James 2
    8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
    9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
    10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

    James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

    links to...........

    1 John 3
    4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
    John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
    Links to...........

    Romans 7

    7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

    Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

    Links to............

    Romans 3

    20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

    Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.


    God's Word defines SIN in breaking God's LAW; Now that we have the definition of Sin from God’s WORD let’s connect some of the scriptures and look at the CONTEXT you have left out of your interpretation of 1 John 3:23 starting at the beginning of 1 John 3.


    1 John 3
    3,
    And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
    4, Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for
    SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
    5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6, Whosoever abides in him
    SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
    7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous
    <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
    8, He that commits
    SIN<breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9, Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit
    SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
    10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
    11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
    12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
    13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
    14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
    15, Whosoever hates his brother is a
    murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

    Some key points..........

    v4.
    SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
    v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
    v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
    v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
    v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
    v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
    v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE

    Links to what Jesus says in Matthew..............

    Matthew 7
    21,
    Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THE DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN <FAITH THAT WORKS BY Love and OBEDIENCE>
    22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23, And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU <1 John 3:6 = has not seen him or known him because they break God's LAW and practice SIN>: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY (SIN)

    So once again it is very clear the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 is discussing the breaking of God's LAW (10 Commandments) even using the example of murder in v15. The same deinition of SIN which is breaking God's LAW (10 Commandments) is repeated by PAUL, JAMES AND JOHN who all agree that SIN is breaking GOD'S 10 Commandments.

    SO in Summary NO my friend you leave out the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 which is talking about SIN which PAUL, JAMES and JOHN all agree is breaking GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments)

    .................

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

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    Nobody is going to read those long cut and pastes, dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budman View Post
    Nobody is going to read those long cut and pastes, dude.
    God's Word is for those that have ears to hear and eyes to see. Those that love God's Word hear his Voice those that do not will not heat him. God's Sheep hear his voice and follow him because they are his sheep.. It is only the Word of God that can set you free. If you do not KNOW it then where will your freedom come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstrats View Post
    PS,
    re: "We remember the Lords death and resurrection that culminated in his victory over sin on the first day of the week, the same as the early Christians."

    But Paul only says in 1 Corinthians 11:26; "For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." Nothing is said about proclaiming the Lord's resurrection. And in fact nothing is said about proclaiming anything on the first day of the week.
    Those who know Jesus do not need to be told to worship The King of King, The Lord of Lords. He is worthy to be worshipped. Rebel or ignore the Saviour of the World at your peril.

    Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: (2Ti 2:8 KJV)

    God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: (Act 13:23 KJV)

    He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. (Luk 1:33 KJV)

    But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (Heb 1:8 KJV)

    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. (1Jn 5:20 KJV)

    For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isa 9:6 KJV)

    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (1Ti 3:16 KJV)
    Jesus, the Mighty God, the Eternal Father (Isa 9:6) "King of the Jews" (Mat 2:2 Mat 27:37) gave Moses the Law.
    It remained until the time of John the Baptist (Luk 16:16) when "God with us" (Mat 1:23) gave us a new law, saying "MY words will never fail or pass away even though the earth will." (Luk 21:33)
    Christ's yoke is easy, and his burden light (Matt 11:28-30) so we might have peace (Joh 16:33).
    For the law of the Spirit has set us free from the O.T. law of sin and death. (Rom 8:2)

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